Need advice on processor upgrade

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fruitlesspuppy

Hello again,
Im looking to upgrade my processor.. I have now, AMD Duron(tm) processor 750
MHZ with 1 G ram. Can take 2 Gs... Running xp. Please since I have not a clue
as to what processor I can upgrade to , I need advice on what to buy . Now Im
not a wealthy person .. so .. I cant go into $100s ... as I saw on circut
city...
Id like much better than what I have now. Im running so slow , cant
multitask at all really.
Thank you,
Pup
 
M

Mark Adams

fruitlesspuppy said:
Hello again,
Im looking to upgrade my processor.. I have now, AMD Duron(tm) processor 750
MHZ with 1 G ram. Can take 2 Gs... Running xp. Please since I have not a clue
as to what processor I can upgrade to , I need advice on what to buy . Now Im
not a wealthy person .. so .. I cant go into $100s ... as I saw on circut
city...
Id like much better than what I have now. Im running so slow , cant
multitask at all really.
Thank you,
Pup

AMD Duron is a very old processor and you are unlikely to find a suitable
upgrade. RAM should be available much easier, add a second Gig.

Slowness is more frequently due to the applications you have running.
Perform a clean boot as per the following article:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353

Does the machine run faster? If so, check the boxes in the startup tab of
the System Configuration Utility one at a time and reboot to find which
applications are slowing down your system. You decide which ones you want to
keep.

Do a disk cleanup to eliminate unnecessary junk. Install and run CCleaner.

Modern applications are more resource hungry than older ones. You may be
asking an outdated machine to do more than it can. Time to start saving up
for a new machine.
 
S

SC Tom

fruitlesspuppy said:
Hello again,
Im looking to upgrade my processor.. I have now, AMD Duron(tm) processor
750
MHZ with 1 G ram. Can take 2 Gs... Running xp. Please since I have not a
clue
as to what processor I can upgrade to , I need advice on what to buy . Now
Im
not a wealthy person .. so .. I cant go into $100s ... as I saw on circut
city...
Id like much better than what I have now. Im running so slow , cant
multitask at all really.
Thank you,
Pup
Along with what Mark said in his reply, the ability to upgrade depends on
what your motherboard will accept. If you still want to try it, let us know
the make, model, and revision number of the board, or go to the
manufacturer's web site and look at the specs for it to see what it will
take (assuming you don't have the manual). You can use a program like Belarc
Advisor http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html or SIW
http://www.gtopala.com/siw-download.html to find out a lot about your PC
and its components.
 
P

Paul

fruitlesspuppy said:
Hello again,
Im looking to upgrade my processor.. I have now, AMD Duron(tm) processor 750
MHZ with 1 G ram. Can take 2 Gs... Running xp. Please since I have not a clue
as to what processor I can upgrade to , I need advice on what to buy . Now Im
not a wealthy person .. so .. I cant go into $100s ... as I saw on circut
city...
Id like much better than what I have now. Im running so slow , cant
multitask at all really.
Thank you,
Pup

If you know the motherboard make and model number, there are tables
of upgrade info. Some companies don't give any details. This example
is about the best level of detail you can get. This table is for
an "Asus A7V" motherboard, something that might have taken a Duron
when it was released years ago.

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=A7V

For further info, you'd need to post the computer make and model
number ("Dell Dimension 3100") or the motherboard make and model
number ("Asus A7V"). Using that, if there is info available, we
can find it.

Paul
 
M

Motort

fruitlesspuppy said:
Hello again,
Im looking to upgrade my processor.. I have now, AMD Duron(tm) processor 750
MHZ with 1 G ram. Can take 2 Gs... Running xp. Please since I have not a clue
as to what processor I can upgrade to , I need advice on what to buy . Now Im
not a wealthy person .. so .. I cant go into $100s ... as I saw on circut
city...
Id like much better than what I have now. Im running so slow , cant
multitask at all really.
Thank you,
Pup

What if buying a new processor doesn't solve your problems? Now you
gotta spend MORE money to keep upgrading the components. From a
strictly financial point of view there are many, much newer, computers
to be had on Craigslist "on the cheap".
 
W

Whoosh

Im looking to upgrade my processor.. I have now, AMD Duron(tm) processor 750
Waste of time and money. You're probably using DDR ram (266, 333 or 400 mhz) which is much slower than DDR-2 ram (800mhz sticks only run $10 a gig used). You can buy a used DDR-2 motherboard for about $30 used, a dual core CPU (about 2 ghz) that you can overclock (safely) to over 3 ghz for about the same, so if you can get a system with all that for $80-100, and you can move your hard drive (or get a 300gb 7200rpm Sata for $30-40 used), move your DVD drive, and use your existing case/power supply, it just doesn't make any sense (other than pure laziness) not to upgrade. Sell of your working computer to pay for all that. Bet you can get $100 for it and the whole transition won't cost much at all. Then pick up a used 22" monitor for about $100 and you're in the 21st century with the rest of us. :)
 
F

fruitlesspuppy

Mark Adams said:
Hi again ,
I ran that test this is the info I got from it.. I do have the manual on
this mother board but this way was really easier... and very up to date as I
did a bios upgrade a while back.
Operating System System Model
Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600)
Install Language: English (United States)
System Locale: English (United States) Enclosure Type: Desktop
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
750 megahertz AMD Duron
128 kilobyte primary memory cache
64 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Not hyper-threaded Board: KM266-8235
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG 10/07/2003
Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.43 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
123.92 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5236V [CD-ROM drive]

WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) -- drive 0, s/n
WD-WMAP99237916, rev 00.07H00, SMART Status: Healthy 992 Megabytes Usable
Installed Memory

Slot 'A0' has 512 MB
Slot 'A1' has 512 MB
Slot 'A2' is Empty
Slot 'A3' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 137.43 GB 123.92 GB free


Thanks again,
Pup
 
M

Mark Adams

fruitlesspuppy said:
Mark Adams said:
Hi again ,
I ran that test this is the info I got from it.. I do have the manual on
this mother board but this way was really easier... and very up to date as I
did a bios upgrade a while back.
Operating System System Model
Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600)
Install Language: English (United States)
System Locale: English (United States) Enclosure Type: Desktop
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
750 megahertz AMD Duron
128 kilobyte primary memory cache
64 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Not hyper-threaded Board: KM266-8235
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG 10/07/2003
Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.43 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
123.92 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5236V [CD-ROM drive]

WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) -- drive 0, s/n
WD-WMAP99237916, rev 00.07H00, SMART Status: Healthy 992 Megabytes Usable
Installed Memory

Slot 'A0' has 512 MB
Slot 'A1' has 512 MB
Slot 'A2' is Empty
Slot 'A3' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 137.43 GB 123.92 GB free


Thanks again,
Pup


See my previous post, your machine is obsolete. Follow my earlier
suggestions or start saving for a more modern machine.

 
P

Paul

fruitlesspuppy said:
Mark Adams said:
Hi again ,
I ran that test this is the info I got from it.. I do have the manual on
this mother board but this way was really easier... and very up to date as I
did a bios upgrade a while back.
Operating System System Model
Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600)
Install Language: English (United States)
System Locale: English (United States) Enclosure Type: Desktop
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
750 megahertz AMD Duron
128 kilobyte primary memory cache
64 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Not hyper-threaded Board: KM266-8235
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG 10/07/2003
Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.43 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
123.92 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5236V [CD-ROM drive]

WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) -- drive 0, s/n
WD-WMAP99237916, rev 00.07H00, SMART Status: Healthy 992 Megabytes Usable
Installed Memory

Slot 'A0' has 512 MB
Slot 'A1' has 512 MB
Slot 'A2' is Empty
Slot 'A3' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 137.43 GB 123.92 GB free


Thanks again,
Pup

That still isn't enough info to go on. There is at least
one board that goes by "KM266-8235" but no brand is listed.
And you need a brand, in order to be able to go to a website
and check the CPU Support chart.

If I know the chipset, I can go to a website like this.
If I select "ProSavageDDR KM266 VT8235" for a chipset,
I get 28 different motherboards matching that description.

http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/

This is one of them, from Asrock.

http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/motherboards_d/ASRock/K7VM2/

And this is the Asrock support chart for the K7VM2. I didn't copy
the whole chart, just a few examples.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.asp?Model=K7VM2&s=462

462 Athlon XP 2600+ 2133MHz 266MHz 256KB n/a All
462 Athlon XP 2400+ 2000MHz 266MHz 256KB n/a All
....
462 Duron 900 900MHz 200MHz 64KB n/a All

So the KM266 seems to support FSB266 processors, as well as your
FSB200 processor. The FSB266 processors go up to the 2600+ model.
That particular model is hard to find, and even if you found one,
someone could have "cooked" it. It runs at the upper limit for that
family of design.

That is an example of a chart for a KM266, but you should still
track down who makes your board. The BIOS screen itself has a
"BIOS string" when the computer starts and that can be used to
trace down a motherboard. In obscure cases, where all identifying
marks have been removed, some people use the FCC ID of the motherboard
to track the maker. Depending on how "shy" the maker is, some
of them can be a pain to work out. For example, some cheap motherboards
have illegal BIOS (they didn't pay Award/AMI/Phoenix), so the
BIOS string might be a fake copied from another board.

You could always try Belarc Advisor, from belarc.com . Or CPUZ
from cpuid.com . Even Sisoftware Sandra or Everest can be used
to enumerate hardware. There are ways to get more info.

http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php (CPU-Z 1.52 32-bit.zip, no install)

http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

*******

The following is a table of processors after the Athlon/Duron
generation, to show some of the 266MHz options. There are also
some AthlonXP-M mobile processors, but for those, it helps to
have just the right motherboard (needs an overclock controller
chip with five FID bits - my board only had support for four FID).

Family Core P.R. Pkg CPU Cache Mult Core Tmax Power
Freq Clk Volts

XP Model 10 2200 (3200+) OPGA 200 512 11x 1.65V 85oC 60.4W \
Barton 2100 (3000+) OPGA 200 512 10.5x 1.65V 85oC 53.7W \
\
XP Model 10 2167 (3000+) OPGA 166 512 13x 1.65V 85oC 58.4W \
Barton 2083 (2800+) OPGA 166 512 12.5x 1.65V 85oC 53.7W \ Wrong
1917 (2600+) OPGA 166 512 11.5x 1.65V 85oC 53.7W / FSB,
1833 (2500+) OPGA 166 512 11x 1.65V 85oC 53.7W / too
/ fast
XP Model 8 2167 (2700+) OPGA 166 256 13x 1.65V 85oC 62.0W /
Thoroughbred 2083 (2600+) OPGA 166 256 12.5x 1.65V 85oC 62.0W /

XP Model 8 2133 (2600+) OPGA 133 256 16x 1.65V 85oC 62.0W <--- Fastest
Thoroughbred 2000 (2400+) OPGA 133 256 15x 1.65V 85oC 62.0W FSB266
CPU ID 0681 1800 (2200+) OPGA 133 256 13.5x 1.60V 85oC 57.0W
1733 (2100+) OPGA 133 256 13x 1.60V 90oC 56.3W
1667 (2000+) OPGA 133 256 12.5x 1.60V 90oC 55.7W
1533 (1800+) OPGA 133 256 11.5x 1.60V 90oC 55.7W
1467 (1700+) OPGA 133 256 11x 1.60V 90oC 55.7W

XP Model 8 1800 (2200+) OPGA 133 256 13.5x 1.65V 85oC 61.7W
Thoroughbred 1733 (2100+) OPGA 133 256 13x 1.60V 90oC 56.4W
CPU ID 0680 1667 (2000+) OPGA 133 256 12.5x 1.65V 90oC 54.7W
1667 (2000+) OPGA 133 256 12.5x 1.60V 90oC 54.7W
1600 (1900+) OPGA 133 256 12x 1.50V 90oC 47.7W
1533 (1800+) OPGA 133 256 11.5x 1.50V 90oC 46.3W
1467 (1700+) OPGA 133 256 11x 1.50V 90oC 44.9W

XP Model 6 1733 (2100+) OPGA 133 256 13x 1.75V 90oC 64.3W
Palomino 1667 (2000+) OPGA 133 256 12.5x 1.75V 90oC 62.5W
1600 (1900+) OPGA 133 256 12x 1.75V 90oC 60.7W
1533 (1800+) OPGA 133 256 11.5x 1.75V 90oC 59.2W
1467 (1700+) OPGA 133 256 11x 1.75V 90oC 57.4W
1400 (1600+) OPGA 133 256 10.5x 1.75V 90oC 56.3W
1333 (1500+) OPGA 133 256 10x 1.75V 90oC 53.8W <--- Slowest
FSB266

You could try Ebay and search for "Thoroughbred 2600+" for some
examples. But first, figure out *exactly* what the motherboard
is, so you don't make a mistake.

Processors like that, come with a bare silicon die. The four
rubber bumps in the corners are important. They prevent the
CPU cooler from rocking from side to side, when you're reinstalling
it. You put a thin coating of thermal paste (Arctic Ceramique or
equivalent) on the die, to take the place of any air gap that
would be there, if there was no paste. If you're not careful
when reinstalling the heatsink, you can crack the edges of the
brittle silicon die.

http://img.tomshardware.com/de/2002/08/21/in_letzter_sekunde_stallregie_mit_athlon_xp_2600_/cpus.jpg

To clean the heatsink or clean up the processor you end up
buying, you can use this stuff. When the surfaces are dry
and clean, then apply your thermal paste.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100010

Example of a thermal paste. A half-rice-grain would be enough.
When you place the clean heatsink on top of it, it spreads out,
and you can tell how good the coverage is, with that quantity of
paste. You only want enough paste to cover the die well, without
oozing all over the resistors next to the die.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100009

The heatsink installation technique is very important on these
processors. The die size is small and the power is relatively
high for something that size. It helps if the heatsink has a
copper slug or preferably, a heatpipe to transport the heat
from the hot die area, into the fins.

This is a bottom view of the cooler I used. There were some
better ones at the time, but this is all I could afford.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/35-118-115-S03?$S640W$

Oh, and before you even think about disassembling your current
rig, *make sure* the BIOS revision in the BIOS flash chip of the
motherboard, is the correct version to run one of the faster
processors. It would be pretty embarrassing, to get the new
processor all installed and the risky heatsink thing all done
up, and then discover the motherboard won't start because the
wrong BIOS is in there.

Good luck,
Paul
 
W

Whoosh

I ran that test this is the info I got from it.. I do have the manual on
this mother board but this way was really easier... and very up to date
as I
did a bios upgrade a while back.
Operating System System Model
Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600)
Install Language: English (United States)
System Locale: English (United States) Enclosure Type: Desktop
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
750 megahertz AMD Duron
128 kilobyte primary memory cache
64 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Not hyper-threaded Board: KM266-8235
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG 10/07/2003
Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.43 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
123.92 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5236V [CD-ROM drive]

WDC WD1600AAJB-00PVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) -- drive 0, s/n
WD-WMAP99237916, rev 00.07H00, SMART Status: Healthy 992 Megabytes
Usable
Installed Memory

Slot 'A0' has 512 MB
Slot 'A1' has 512 MB
Slot 'A2' is Empty
Slot 'A3' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 137.43 GB 123.92 GB free


Thanks again,
Pup


See my previous post, your machine is obsolete. Follow my earlier
suggestions or start saving for a more modern machine.

Some people won't listen to logic. Sigh....
The problem is the ram. DDR ram is worth far more than DDR-2 ram so its
in your benefit to sell it now. The difference in ram cost alone will buy
you a used DDR-2 motherboard. Then all you need is a $30-$40 dual core
CPU.
 
J

Jose

Hello again,
Im looking to upgrade my processor.. I have now, AMD Duron(tm) processor 750
MHZ with 1 G ram. Can take 2 Gs... Running xp. Please since I have not a clue
as to what processor I can upgrade to , I need advice on what to buy . Now Im
not a wealthy person .. so .. I cant go into $100s ... as I saw on circut
city...
Id like much better than what I have now. Im running so slow , cant
multitask at all really.
Thank you,
Pup

....and you are coming here?!

Please provide additional information about your system and eliminate
guessing

Click Start, Run and in the box enter:

msinfo32

Click OK, and when the System Summary info appears, click Edit, Select
All, Copy and then paste
the information back here.

There will be some personal information (like System Name and User
Name), and whatever appears to
be private information to you, just delete it from the pasted
information.

This will minimize back and forth Q&A and eliminate guesswork.
 
P

Paul

JacobH said:
A quick Google suggests it might be this:-

Micro-Star International KM266-8235

http://community.spiceworks.com/product/3793-micro-star-international-km266-8235
has an image.

The DealTime link gives an MS number for the board. ( MS-6390-010 )

http://www0.dealtime.com/xPF-Microstar-KM266-LAN

I can find one CPU Support table here, and it only goes up to the
2200+ FSB266 for some reason.

http://tw.msi.com/index.php?func=prodcpusupport&maincat_no=1&prod_no=307

AthlonXP 2200+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2400+ 133 Auto NO
AthlonXP 2600+ 133 Auto NO

I can see the same table on the main site.

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodcpusupport&maincat_no=1&prod_no=307

I don't see a reason why they would stop at the 2200+ running at 1800MHz.
There should be little difference between them in practice. And there
are other processors that come close to 62W, that are listed as OK.

XP Model 8 2133 (2600+) OPGA 133 256 16x 1.65V 85oC 62.0W <--- Fastest
Thoroughbred 2000 (2400+) OPGA 133 256 15x 1.65V 85oC 62.0W FSB266
CPU ID 0681 1800 (2200+) OPGA 133 256 13.5x 1.60V 85oC 57.0W

Paul
 

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