Need a Live CD that can access NTFS hard drives

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Hi Guys,

My computer's hard drive is formatted in NTFS. Of all of the Linux
distros that I've tried, Ubuntu is the only Live CD that has ever been
able to boot my computer.

But Ubuntu won't mount, read or access my NTFS hard drive.

I want a Live CD that can boot my machine, provide some kind of an
operating system, and allow me to access the NTFS hard drive.

-*- The OS used by the Live CD doesn't matter. It can be Linux,
Windows, BeOS...anything as long as it can mount, read and access an
NTFS hard drive.
-*- I already have Ultimate Boot CD and I like it. I'm looking for
something other than UBCD now.

Any ideas?
 
Anonymous said:
Hi Guys,

My computer's hard drive is formatted in NTFS. Of all of the Linux distros
that I've tried, Ubuntu is the only Live CD that has ever been able to
boot my computer.

But Ubuntu won't mount, read or access my NTFS hard drive.

I want a Live CD that can boot my machine, provide some kind of an
operating system, and allow me to access the NTFS hard drive.

-*- The OS used by the Live CD doesn't matter. It can be Linux, Windows,
BeOS...anything as long as it can mount, read and access an NTFS hard
drive.
-*- I already have Ultimate Boot CD and I like it. I'm looking for
something other than UBCD now.

Any ideas?
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
 
Anonymous skrev:
My computer's hard drive is formatted in NTFS. Of all of the Linux
distros that I've tried, Ubuntu is the only Live CD that has ever been
able to boot my computer.

Which ones failed? Did you try Knoppix?

Apart from that I second the suggestion about Bart PE.
 
Anonymous said:
Hi Guys,

My computer's hard drive is formatted in NTFS. Of all of the Linux
distros that I've tried, Ubuntu is the only Live CD that has ever been
able to boot my computer.

But Ubuntu won't mount, read or access my NTFS hard drive.

I want a Live CD that can boot my machine, provide some kind of an
operating system, and allow me to access the NTFS hard drive.

-*- The OS used by the Live CD doesn't matter. It can be Linux,
Windows, BeOS...anything as long as it can mount, read and access an
NTFS hard drive.
-*- I already have Ultimate Boot CD and I like it. I'm looking for
something other than UBCD now.

SimplyMEPIS. The new alpha version is based on Ubuntu Dapper, but MEPIS
is reknowned for it's automounting. Download the ISO here:

http://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mepis
 
Morten Skarstad explained on 4/11/2006 :
Anonymous skrev:

Which ones failed? Did you try Knoppix?

Apart from that I second the suggestion about Bart PE.

Tried Knoppix about a month ago. It did not work for me.
 
Anonymous said:
Hi Guys,

My computer's hard drive is formatted in NTFS. Of all of the Linux
distros that I've tried, Ubuntu is the only Live CD that has ever been
able to boot my computer.

But Ubuntu won't mount, read or access my NTFS hard drive.

I want a Live CD that can boot my machine, provide some kind of an
operating system, and allow me to access the NTFS hard drive.

-*- The OS used by the Live CD doesn't matter. It can be Linux,
Windows, BeOS...anything as long as it can mount, read and access an
NTFS hard drive.
-*- I already have Ultimate Boot CD and I like it. I'm looking for
something other than UBCD now.

Any ideas?

Assuming you still have an XP install disc, Bart's PE Builder:

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett, Doc (who uses sock puppets)
or Roger Johansson, for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial
software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware,
spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.
 
To the OP: you speak of the UBCD. Give the Ultimate Boot CD for Windows a
try; I think you'll find it a big improvement over UBCD. UBCD4Win is
different that plain old UBCD, so don't let the similarity in names fool
you.

http://www.ubcd4win.com

HTH
 
The gentoo live cd is a very good one. There is a minimal disc that
will give you all the basic functionality of other distros. It runs
under gnome so it will look decent too.
 
My computer's hard drive is formatted in NTFS. Of all of the Linux
distros that I've tried, Ubuntu is the only Live CD that has ever been
able to boot my computer.

Why is that? What is so weird about your PC. Most live CD's can boot
almost anything. They may not support your network card, or your sound
card, or whatever, but not being able to boot at all? Weird.
But Ubuntu won't mount, read or access my NTFS hard drive.

It should be able to. Most linux distros can read NTFS partitions. If
the linux distro boots, and you're using IDE hard drives, it's pretty
hard to believe current versions of linux distros can't read an NTFS
partition.

Why you think it won't mount? How have you been mounting it? What
happens when you try? Have you asked about this in the ubuntu forum?
I want a Live CD that can boot my machine, provide some kind of an
operating system, and allow me to access the NTFS hard drive.

I do this all the time with System Rescue CD.
http://www.sysresccd.org. This is a small linux recovery and
maintenance CD, based on gentoo linux, which supports lots of
hardware, so it's likely it will boot on your system. If not, they
have a forum that will help.
-*- The OS used by the Live CD doesn't matter. It can be Linux,
Windows, BeOS...anything as long as it can mount, read and access an
NTFS hard drive.

What do you mean by "access"?

The "normal" NTFS drivers in linux distros can read NTFS partitions --
see the file system, and read the files on it. They are not, however,
up to writing to the drive. Technically, they can write to files as
long as they are just overwriting data, but they can't write new
files, or add to files, or delete files, so they are pretty much
limited to reading.

If you need to write to NTFS partitions, you will need to mount the
"captive" drivers. These drivers provide a link between the linux
system and Windows 2K or XP NTFS drivers. You copy a couple of files
from your 2K system to your linux distribution, and linux uses the
actual windows code to access the NTFS partition. That means it's safe
and reliable, it's just a little slow. Nothing noticeable in normal
use, but if you're copying, say, 5 GB to an NTFS partition, the
slowdown will be quite noticeable.

The captive drivers are what "wine" uses for accessing NTFS partitions
(in fact it was developed for the wine system, I believe), so it's had
lots of testing.

I suggest you lurk in some linux newsgroups, or the forum for the
linux distro you are trying to get working. They will be able to help
more that ACF people, who aren't, in general, linux experts. :-)

Terry
 
Terry
Why is that? What is so weird about your PC.

I don't know. Linux doesn't tell me what's wrong---it just stops.
It should be able to. Most linux distros can read NTFS partitions. If
the linux distro boots, and you're using IDE hard drives, it's pretty
hard to believe current versions of linux distros can't read an NTFS
partition.

They might be able to read NTFS drives---I don't know if they can
because they won't boot my computer to read the NTFS drive.
Why you think it won't mount?

Because Ubuntu said that it couldn't mount the drive in a dialog box
that appeared wh3en I clicked on the drive's icon.

How have you been mounting it?

I haven't mounted it. Windows does that for me. I assumed that Linux
would too, but it doesn't.
What
happens when you try?

Ubuntu never gave me any clues of help files to mount the drive. Just a
dialog box saying that Ubuntu couldn't do it.
Have you asked about this in the ubuntu forum?

Nope. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. None of the Linux
distros (Live CD's or full installation OS Disks) have ever told me
what was wrong so I could fix it. I don't know enough about Linux to
troubleshoot installations so I have to go back to Windows.
I do this all the time with System Rescue CD.
http://www.sysresccd.org. This is a small linux recovery and
maintenance CD, based on gentoo linux, which supports lots of
hardware, so it's likely it will boot on your system. If not, they
have a forum that will help.

Thanks for the tip. I'm downloading System Rescue CD right now as I
write.

What do you mean by "access"?

Access---read the names of the files that are on the drive, delete them
if they are causing the emergency that forces me to boot my computer
with a Live CD, maybe be able to open generic filetypes like
..txt's...nothing fancy, just simple and basic access---at least read
the drive and tell me the folders and files that are found.
I suggest you lurk in some linux newsgroups, or the forum for the
linux distro you are trying to get working. They will be able to help
more that ACF people, who aren't, in general, linux experts. :-)

Your suggestion is both reasonable and sound. The reason that I posted
in the ACF NG is because the OS that the CD uses to boot the machine is
not an issue, just as long as it will boot and access the NTFS hard
drive. In fact, since I've had such a difficult time with Linux, I'm
open to suggestions that are not from the Linux genre. I broadened the
question to "any freeware" that will boot and read NTFS, and posted in
the freeware NG rather than Linux, since I'm not limiting the search to
Linux---just limiting it to freeware.

Gotta run Terry, the download of System Rescue CD is done.
Thanks again!
 
Anonymous said:
Terry

I don't know. Linux doesn't tell me what's wrong---it just stops.


They might be able to read NTFS drives---I don't know if they can
because they won't boot my computer to read the NTFS drive.


Because Ubuntu said that it couldn't mount the drive in a dialog box
that appeared wh3en I clicked on the drive's icon.



I haven't mounted it. Windows does that for me. I assumed that Linux
would too, but it doesn't.


Ubuntu never gave me any clues of help files to mount the drive. Just a
dialog box saying that Ubuntu couldn't do it.


Nope. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. None of the Linux
distros (Live CD's or full installation OS Disks) have ever told me
what was wrong so I could fix it. I don't know enough about Linux to
troubleshoot installations so I have to go back to Windows.


Thanks for the tip. I'm downloading System Rescue CD right now as I
write.



Access---read the names of the files that are on the drive, delete them
if they are causing the emergency that forces me to boot my computer
with a Live CD, maybe be able to open generic filetypes like
.txt's...nothing fancy, just simple and basic access---at least read
the drive and tell me the folders and files that are found.


Your suggestion is both reasonable and sound. The reason that I posted
in the ACF NG is because the OS that the CD uses to boot the machine is
not an issue, just as long as it will boot and access the NTFS hard
drive. In fact, since I've had such a difficult time with Linux, I'm
open to suggestions that are not from the Linux genre. I broadened the
question to "any freeware" that will boot and read NTFS, and posted in
the freeware NG rather than Linux, since I'm not limiting the search to
Linux---just limiting it to freeware.

Gotta run Terry, the download of System Rescue CD is done.
Thanks again!

This might or might not work for you: WinDOS will read ntfs if you add
an ntfs reader, such as DiskInternals NTFS Reader 1.6
http://www.timelyweb.com/downloads/5102/
and lots of folk have an old 98 or even 95 system around.

You dont by any chance have the Intel 810 chipset? Linuxes will mostly
not work with that.


NT
 
Anonymous said:
Terry



I don't know. Linux doesn't tell me what's wrong---it just stops.



They might be able to read NTFS drives---I don't know if they can
because they won't boot my computer to read the NTFS drive.



Because Ubuntu said that it couldn't mount the drive in a dialog box
that appeared wh3en I clicked on the drive's icon.




I haven't mounted it. Windows does that for me. I assumed that Linux
would too, but it doesn't.



Ubuntu never gave me any clues of help files to mount the drive. Just a
dialog box saying that Ubuntu couldn't do it.



Nope. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. None of the Linux
distros (Live CD's or full installation OS Disks) have ever told me what
was wrong so I could fix it. I don't know enough about Linux to
troubleshoot installations so I have to go back to Windows.



Thanks for the tip. I'm downloading System Rescue CD right now as I write.




Access---read the names of the files that are on the drive, delete them
if they are causing the emergency that forces me to boot my computer
with a Live CD, maybe be able to open generic filetypes like
.txt's...nothing fancy, just simple and basic access---at least read the
drive and tell me the folders and files that are found.



Your suggestion is both reasonable and sound. The reason that I posted
in the ACF NG is because the OS that the CD uses to boot the machine is
not an issue, just as long as it will boot and access the NTFS hard
drive. In fact, since I've had such a difficult time with Linux, I'm
open to suggestions that are not from the Linux genre. I broadened the
question to "any freeware" that will boot and read NTFS, and posted in
the freeware NG rather than Linux, since I'm not limiting the search to
Linux---just limiting it to freeware.

Gotta run Terry, the download of System Rescue CD is done.
Thanks again!
Hi!

The 'nix or other OSS implementations of NTFS access are, as I
understand, more or less experimental, as NTFS isn't really an open
standard.

If you just need to get the job done, I'd say the aforementioned BartPE
would be your best shot. With BPE you should be able to manufacture a
Windows Preinstaller Environment, which is a kind of a Win livecd. By
booting to your PE, you should be able to have full access to your PC as
long as the hardware is funtional and the drives aren't crypted.

Hope you get your problem sorted out!

K
 
You dont by any chance have the Intel 810 chipset? Linuxes will mostly
not work with that.


NT


810? What's that?
You dare to mention such a misadventure.

820 was a try <grin>, but no success. They should have better placed
820 stones in the chip. Not to mention the asiatic adventures, where
the CPU has its own interrupt in the 'Device Manager' (I have never
seen this, they probably knitted the PCI-BUS to the wrong way) :-)
And it is continuing... 850 (RIMM, which were faster than the
810/815/820 and slower than the predecessor of the 810)
[P4 and such systems are no thematic for me, as I have a S-VHS Recorder
and a High-End DVD Player]

Otherwise, Linux is getting more symphatic to me :-) (no 810 support)





Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic



P.S.: The NT CD's can access NTFS. Maybe you can make NT BootCD!? I was
never in need of, but I made an other (new) NT-Installation on a free
Partition, or taking an other Harddrive etc. when I got into troubles.
The PC-Bios can change C,D or D,C - but NT (Kernel) will change it!!!!
where it really lies. So you get a mixture of C: D: E: etc etc...
 
The 'nix or other OSS implementations of NTFS access are, as I
understand, more or less experimental, as NTFS isn't really an open
standard.

This is not true. The native linux implementation of ntfs is quite
stable and reliable for reading. For reading and writing, if you mount
the captive drivers, you are using the windows drivers themselves, so
it is just as stable as windows is. ;-)

Terry
 
<snip>

I don't know. Linux doesn't tell me what's wrong---it just stops.

All linux distros either show a boot-log on the screen during bootup,
or produce a log file or files that can tell you what went wrong.
Windows is similar, if you can't boot windows on your computer, you
can turn on the bootlog option to diagnose what the problem is.
<snip>

Because Ubuntu said that it couldn't mount the drive in a dialog box
that appeared when I clicked on the drive's icon.

<snip>

I haven't mounted it. Windows does that for me. I assumed that Linux
would too, but it doesn't.

<snip>

Ubuntu never gave me any clues of help files to mount the drive. Just a
dialog box saying that Ubuntu couldn't do it.


Nope. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. None of the Linux
distros (Live CD's or full installation OS Disks) have ever told me
what was wrong so I could fix it. I don't know enough about Linux to
troubleshoot installations so I have to go back to Windows.

OK, to summarize, you are looking for a recovery tool that will let
you access your ntfs partitions. Some linux distros won't boot at all
on your hardware, you don't know why. Ubuntu linux boots but doesn't
work straight out of the box to read your ntfs partitions. You don't
want to troubleshoot this or learn enough about linux to try to figure
out what is wrong. You don't want to post to the ubuntu forum, to see
if someone can give you an easy way to access your ntfs partitions.
Thanks for the tip. I'm downloading System Rescue CD right now as I
write.

I don't think it's what you're looking for. You have to learn about
the mount command to use any hard disk partition (ntfs or otherwise)
under system rescue cd. You'll need to read the manual and faq. It's
not a GUI linux interface, it's a command line interface. It's a
recovery and maintenance tool, not a full blown linux. If you're
looking for a simple, idiot-proof, out-of-the-box solution, I don't
recommend it.
The reason that I posted
in the ACF NG is because the OS that the CD uses to boot the machine is
not an issue, just as long as it will boot and access the NTFS hard
drive. In fact, since I've had such a difficult time with Linux, I'm
open to suggestions that are not from the Linux genre. I broadened the
question to "any freeware" that will boot and read NTFS, and posted in
the freeware NG rather than Linux, since I'm not limiting the search to
Linux---just limiting it to freeware.

I understand. I meant to suggest the linux forums just to help you
solve your linux problems. But it sounds like you don't really want to
troubleshoot this, you want a solution that works right off.

Given the above, I would suggest Bart PE as others have suggested. It
will look and feel familiar.

There are some disadvantages to Bart PE. You have to build Bart PE
yourself. You need to find and download all the plugins for all the
tools you want to include on your CD. These come from various sources,
and are of various quality, so this takes time and research. When a
plug-in comes out with a new version that you need/want, you must
rebuild your CD.

For example, to access word and excel files, you must find an office
plug-in, that will read your files (office 97? office 2003?). Then
download it, get it into the right place so bart pe will find it, then
rebuild your CD.

Personally, I find this all more difficult that getting a linux distro
working. With a linux distro, open office is included, and when you
want a new version of the distro, you just download the ISO file and
burn it. But it depends on your background and experience, and your
interests. To each his own. :-)

Someone else suggested booting to dos and using ntfsdos (the home page
is http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/NtfsDos.html). This is also a
possible solution, if you are comfortable at the DOS command line. But
the freeware version is read-only access to ntfs partitions, so you
won't be able to delete files without upgrading to the $ware version.
And booting to DOS, you will normally not have access to your network,
if that matters to you.

Terry
 
First, let me say "thank you" to everyone who responded. I appreciate
all of your suggestions and all of your help.



Now I'll present the results of my endeavors:

Gentoo Minimal: Got to the screen that said "Press Enter for boot." I
pressed enter and spent several minutes staring at a black screen. No
further sign of life.

SystemRescueCD: Started the machine just fine and dropped me off at a
command prompt. The iso comes with a manual that is in html and pdf
format. Print that manual onto hardcopy before a disaster actually
occurs and have that manual at your keyboard if you need to use the
SystemRescueCD in an emergency situation.

Knoppix: The bootup took me to a screen with the graphic of a dashboard
and speedometer. I pressed enter to boot the computer as instructed. I
got a black screen with one thin horizontal green line across the
center. No further sign of life.

BartPE: Requires Windows XP---I use Win2K.

SimplyMepis: Mepis presented me with four possible startup modes at the
boot screen. I tried all four. Each one got me to a DOS-like line of
text that said "Uncompressing Linux...Ok, booting kernel." No further
sign of life.

Linspire 5.0 Live CD: Once you pop it into your CD drive and restart
your machine, go get lunch because Linspire takes FOREVER to load. But
you'll be impressed when Linspire finally finishes booting. Linspire
ROCKS! It's a fully functional GUI that accessed and read the NTFS hard
drive perfectly. It opened and edited .txt files and played MP3's from
that NTFS drive. Furthermore, Linspire found my network connection by
itself and I was able to access the Net with no further configuration.
Linspire looks like Windows and acts like Windows. The learning curve
is minimal---which is helpful in an emergency. My only complaint is
that the only way to get Linspire Live CD 5.0 is to load and use
BitTorrent. I was hoping for something an FTP connection in a college
somewhere.


Verdict:
I'm keeping Ultimate Boot CD because it packs all the emergency tools
that I could ever want and the interface (IMHO) is more intuitive than
SystemRescueCD. Additionally, using Linspire as an emergency startup
disk, I can boot the machine without using a damaged or infected HD, I
can access the HD, and access the Net to get more help and more
information if I need to.

Ultimate Boot CD from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
and
Linspire 5.0 Live CD (download using BitTorrent)


Again, let me express my appreciation to everyone who responded!
 
Anonymous said:
BartPE: Requires Windows XP---I use Win2K.


Verdict:
I'm keeping Ultimate Boot CD because it packs all the emergency tools
that I could ever want and the interface (IMHO) is more intuitive than
SystemRescueCD. Additionally, using Linspire as an emergency startup
disk, I can boot the machine without using a damaged or infected HD, I
can access the HD, and access the Net to get more help and more
information if I need to.

Ultimate Boot CD from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
and
Linspire 5.0 Live CD (download using BitTorrent)


Again, let me express my appreciation to everyone who responded!

Thanks for the write-up!

-Craig
 
Terry,
All linux distros either show a boot-log on the screen during bootup,
or produce a log file or files that can tell you what went wrong.
Windows is similar, if you can't boot windows on your computer, you
can turn on the bootlog option to diagnose what the problem is.

This is the first time I've heard of any log files from Linux to
diagnose problems. I believe you when you say that they exist---it's
just that I don't recall any notification about log files when the
Linux distros failed to load. Without any sort of notification, I
wouldn't go looking for any log files... ;)
OK, to summarize...Some linux distros won't boot at all
on your hardware, you don't know why. Ubuntu linux boots but doesn't
work straight out of the box to read your ntfs partitions.
Correct.

You don't
want to troubleshoot this or learn enough about linux to try to figure
out what is wrong. You don't want to post to the ubuntu forum, to see
if someone can give you an easy way to access your ntfs partitions.

I tried to troubleshoot several Linux Live CD's and full install
distros in the past but the time required to learn enough about Linux
in order to perform the troubleshooting is not possible with a job and
kids and deadlines---especially since I already know an OS and it gets
the job done (Windows). Asking other knowledgeable people for a quicker
and easier way is the logical conclusion to such a dilemma. Isn't the
purpose of forums and newsgroups to provide information rather than
force each person to repeat research and discover results that have
already been uncovered? :)

Now that I have a moment to think about it, I believe that I have
accidentally discovered the reason why Linux hasn't kicked Window's
butt in the commercial marketplace: Windows already exisits, people use
it frequently and they know it. Users can get the job done quickly and
easily because they are accustomed to Windows---so Linux needs to
flatten the learning curve and not require users to re-learn the entire
computing experience from scratch. The issue is time: it's easier for
employees and parents to get the job done with what they know rather
than burn up time trying to learn what they don't know.

Of course, that also implies that the problem is with Linux and not
with me... ;) HAHA!
I don't think it's what you're looking for. You have to learn about
the mount command to use any hard disk partition (ntfs or otherwise)
under system rescue cd. You'll need to read the manual and faq. It's
not a GUI linux interface, it's a command line interface. It's a
recovery and maintenance tool, not a full blown linux.

You're right, it's not what I'm looking for. I need something that can
move a whole lot faster than SystemRescueCD during an emergency.
If you're
looking for a simple, idiot-proof, out-of-the-box solution, I don't
recommend it.

During an emergency, I need all of the idiot-proof help-ware that I can
get.
Given the above, I would suggest Bart PE as others have suggested. It
will look and feel familiar.

Thanks! I tried it but it works only with XP. I have Win2K.

I got another suggestion to use Linspire and it works GREAT! It's not
really a rescue disk but I can add selected programs and burn another
CD or DVD for it.

Thanks for your help Terry! Once my kids are in school I'll have more
time to study Linux!

Take care!
 
Anonymous said:
Linspire 5.0 Live CD: Once you pop it into your CD drive and restart
your machine, go get lunch because Linspire takes FOREVER to load. But
you'll be impressed when Linspire finally finishes booting. Linspire
ROCKS! It's a fully functional GUI that accessed and read the NTFS
hard drive perfectly. It opened and edited .txt files and played
MP3's from that NTFS drive. Furthermore, Linspire found my network
connection by itself and I was able to access the Net with no further
configuration. Linspire looks like Windows and acts like Windows. The
learning curve is minimal---which is helpful in an emergency. My only
complaint is that the only way to get Linspire Live CD 5.0 is to load
and use BitTorrent. I was hoping for something an FTP connection in a
college somewhere.

While I don't particularly care for it (I have installed -- and
removed -- it more than once), I will give Linspire credit: it has the
best hardware detection and autoconfiguration I've seen. Never have run
the Live CD. Might have to give it a spin, just for grins.

Was the SimplyMEPIS you tried the Ubuntu Dapper based alpha I posted the
link to? Since it's derived from Ubuntu, and you said that Ubuntu had at
least booted, I figured it would work. Then again, I don't claim to know
much.

I've not seen where you've described your hardware. Would you mind? I'm
just curious what it is that the other distros have such difficulty
with.
 
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