need a good backup method or program

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Hi

I have XP Pro, having just survived a major crash, and losing data since the
last backup, 5 days, I need to set up a daily backup that my wife can run at
the end of each day, she takes care of the business end of things,

I need to have an icon on the desktop that can be double clicked and it
runs, is there a program out there that can do this that won't take over the
PC and load a lot of stuff I don't want, I tried to set something up with
Windows backup but it does not run automatically for some reason.

All help appreciated

regards

Daniel
 
Hmmm... I should have mentioned that I use ATI workstation, not the home
edition. Home edition *might* not have a command-line interface. Then again,
it just might not be mentioned in the Home edition's manual. It's in the
Workstation edition manual, which I can't find on their site.

I think I'll back away slowly, <s>. Good luck.
 
Gary, thanks for the reply,

perhaps I can get the ATI edition, I'm not sure what it is, but how will a
command line interface help me?

thanks
 
Acronis True image 10 will allow you to make scheduled backups, mine is set
for once a month, just be sure your destination has enough room for the
backup files to reside.
 
sgopus said:
Acronis True image 10 will allow you to make scheduled backups, mine is set
for once a month

You might look to changing that: a lot can happen/change in a month.

I do a full backup - FULL BACKUP - of my system every night to a
second internal hard drive (I have three internal drives and one
external). It's completed automatically at a time that I'm unlikely to
be using the system.

I do a full backup to the external drive weekly, and do incremental
backups nightly - again, at a time when I'm unlikely to be using my
system.

My third internal hard drive? It's a clone of my system drive and I
clone that every Sunday morning when I leave for church.

AND... I use a program called Second Copy to keep my data updated on
that third, cloned drive.

I'm rarely more than a few hours away from restoring everything to
what I want/need.
 
Daniel - Sydney said:
Hi

I have XP Pro, having just survived a major crash, and losing data since
the
last backup, 5 days, I need to set up a daily backup that my wife can run
at
the end of each day, she takes care of the business end of things,

I need to have an icon on the desktop that can be double clicked and it
runs, is there a program out there that can do this that won't take over
the
PC and load a lot of stuff I don't want, I tried to set something up with
Windows backup but it does not run automatically for some reason.

All help appreciated

regards

Daniel


Daniel:
In addition to the Acronis True Image program that has been mentioned, you
might want to check out another comprehensive backup program to meet your
wife's needs. As a matter of fact it might even meet your needs!

I'm assuming you've had little or no experience with disk imaging/disk
cloning programs that are employed as comprehensive backup programs, so I'm
going to provide a substantial amount of background info as I describe this
particular program. The info I'm providing has been taken from a paper I
prepared for the members of a local computer re this program. So forgive me
if I'm including info that you're already familiar with re these types of
programs...

The program we've been working with over the past six months or so is the
Casper 4.0 disk cloning program. By & large we've been quite impressed with
this program and it's become our disk-cloning program of choice. Let me say
at the outset, however, that potential users should note that this is a
*disk cloning* program - not a disk imaging program - in the sense that the
program is designed to create (for all practical purposes) a bit-for-bit
copy of the HDD so that if the recipient of the "clone" is an internal HDD,
that cloned HDD will be bootable and its data immediately accessible, unlike
the situation where a disk image is created on the recipient HDD and a
recovery process is necessary to restore the image to a bootable,
data-accessible state.

Note, however, that should the recipient of the clone be a USB or Firewire
external HDD - since that device is not ordinarily bootable - its contents
(although accessible from the boot HDD) would need to be "cloned back" to an
internal HDD should the recovery/restore process be necessary to create a
bootable HDD. On the other hand, should the HDD encased in the USB enclosure
be removable, it could be installed as an internal HDD in the PC and thus
the user would once again have a bootable functioning HDD.

The Casper 4.0 program also has the happy capability of cloning individual
partitions on one HDD to another HDD, not merely creating a "disk image" of
the partition(s).

The significant advantage of the Casper 4.0 disk cloning program over other
disk cloning programs that we're familiar with, e.g., Acronis True Image or
Symantec's Norton Ghost, is its ability to create *incremental* disk clones
following the creation of the original (first) disk clone. Employing what
Casper calls its "SmartClone" technology the program can create subsequent
disk clones of the source HDD usually at a fraction of the time it takes to
create a "full" disk clone. This results in a decided incentive for users to
undertake frequent complete backups of their systems knowing that they can
create "incremental" disk clones in a relatively short period of time.

The Casper 4.0 program's capability in creating these incremental disk
clones results in a significant savings of time as compared to the usual
time it takes to create a cloned disk using other disk-cloning programs.
Knowing that this incremental disk cloning process will take only a
relatively short period of time provides the user with increased motivation
to back up their systems on a much more frequent & systematic basis than
they might otherwise do - a most desirable result as I think most PC users
would all agree. This feature, of course, would be particularly desirable
for someone like your wife who is interested in daily backups of the system.
And understand that when we're talking about "backups" in this context,
we're talking about a backup system that "backs up" the operating system,
all programs & applications, and all user-created data. What better backup
system can one have?

Also to be noted is that the Casper 4.0 program is capable of scheduling the
disk-cloning process on a daily, weekly, or other time period selected by
the user. So this would also be of particular interest to your wife.

Using the Casper program is simplicity itself. There's virtually no learning
curve in undertaking the disk cloning process as one navigates through the
few easy-to-understand screens with a final mouse-click on the button which
will trigger the disk-cloning process. After undertaking one or two
disk-cloning operations it should take the user no more than 20 seconds or
so to get to that point.

Here's a more-or-less typical example of using the program to manually clone
the contents of one HDD to another HDD (internal or external)...
1. Access the Casper 4.0 program by double-clicking on its Desktop icon.
Just what you wanted, right?
2. Click on the opening screen's "Copy Drive" icon.
3. Click on the Next button on the "Welcome..." window.
4. Select the "Copy an entire hard disk" option, then the Next button.
5. The next window will reflect the HDD to be copied, presumably your boot
drive. Click Next.
6. The next window will list the "destination" HDD, i.e., the drive that
will be the recipient of the cloned contents of the drive you're copying.
Highlight that drive listing and Click Next.
7. A warning screen will appear indicating the destination HDD is "currently
in use" and that "all data on that disk may be lost if you continue". It's
just a cautionary note so click Next.
8. Since you're cloning the entire contents of your source HDD to the
destination HDD, just click Next on the next screen to accomplish that.
9. Select the "Perform the copy now" option and click Next and then Next
again on the following screen.

The disk-cloning operation will proceed with a final screen indicating its
successful conclusion.

And as I've indicated above, daily cloning of the day-to-day working HDD
should take only a few minutes depending, of course, on the amount of data
being cloned. Because of Casper's SmartClone capability the process is
unusually fast as compared to other disk-cloning programs.

The program is not particularly inexpensive as disk cloning programs go.
Cost for a single-license is $49.95. AFAIK, the program is available for
download only from the developer at http://www.fssdev.com and this does not
include the "Casper Startup Disk" which sells for an additional $9.95. That
"Startup Disk" is a really essential piece of the program since in many
cases it would be the only way to effect a recovery of the system when the
installed Casper program could not be accessed from the Windows environment
because the program resides on a HDD that has failed or has become
unbootable. The usual scenario for using the Startup Disk is when the
recipient of the clone has been an external HDD - most likely a USB external
HDD - and the original source disk has become defective or dysfunctional
(unbootable) so that there is no opportunity to access the installed Casper
program. Since the USB external HDD containing the cloned contents of the
source drive is not bootable, one must use the Startup Disk in that
situation in order to clone the contents of the external HDD back to a
non-defective internal HDD in order to recover the system.

The developer does have a 30-day trial version available - see
http://www.fssdev.com/products/casper/trial/. The trial version is somewhat
crippled but should give one some reasonable insight as to how the program
works. However note that the trial version does not include the program to
create the "Startup Disk" described above.

Do take a look at this program before you make any final decision about
purchasing a disk-cloning program. And, of course, compare it with the
Acronis True Image program as well since a trial version of that program is
also available from that developer.
Anna
 
ATI is short for Acronis True Image. Check it out here:
www.acronis.com

Most people use the Home edition, but I use their Workstation version, which
is somewhat different. The reason I mention the command-line aspects is so
you can easily make a shortcut that starts the backup. Otherwise, you need
to open the program to start a manual backup. You can also avoid using ATI's
own scheduler and use Windows Scheduled Tasks, instead. Not that you're
likely to need it, but I found ATI's own scheduler to be deficient. Had to
write my own scripts to get the results I wanted.
 
I'm with you there;
Main hd mirrored, using a dedicated raid card, Acronis automatically
creating a clone every 2 days to a third hd, data & certain sys files backed
up every night offsite, and finally weekly data backup to an external
drive - backups done with seperate apps & all verified.

Its not the data recovery that takes the time, its the App
reinstallation/configeration, in the event of a total sys failure.
 
Yeah, I realize that. I was referring to my previous usage. Should have
added some annotation, <s>.
 
Gary et Al

thasnks for your relies, I will look into it, I am a total novice with
command line except to run chkdsk etc, how do I use a command line to ruin a
back up, basically I do not understand how or what is required?

thanks and regards
 
The program's documentation tells you how to construct the command, what the
variable parameters are, so you can tell the app in detail what you want it
to do. You don't need to open a command prompt and type in the command, you
can use a command line in a shortcut, for instance, or in a script or batch
file. This is the command line I use to run my edition of Acronis on this
machine:
C:\progra~1\Acronis\TrueImageWorkstation\TrueImageCmd.exe /create
/filename:{varies} /incremental /compression:3 /partition:1-1,1-2,1-3,1-4

That command says to create an image file (with a name determined by the
script I use to launch the procedure), to make it incremental (though if
that filename doesn't already exist, then a full backup is done), to use
medium compression, and to include partitions 1, 2, 3, and 4 on disk 1.
 
Gary

Thanks for taking the time to detail it for me, I will give it a go.

regards

Daniel
 
Hi Anna

nice to hear from you again, of course you know why I am here in the first
place,
and thanks for your detailed advice.

The Casper 4.0 looks to be exactly what I am looking for, especially with
the boot disk as I want to back up to an external USB drive.

I'll have a close look at it and let you know.

regards

Daniel
 
You're welcome. I don't know that you really need to be concerned with the
command-line aspects, and as I say, I don't see them mentioned in the Home
version's documentation. I'd have to experiment to find out if it's the same
as in the workstation version. Still, for backup you can't do much better
than Acronis, and you might find that the Home version makes it easy to
manually start a backup. Or maybe one of the many people here who use it
could tell you how it works.
 
Hi to all,

I have gone with the Casper 4.0 option, it is very user friendly and gives
me exactly
what I want.

Thanks to all for their help

regards

Daniel
 
Hi

just in case anyone is interested, I installed casper 4.0 and did a backup,
I then scheduled a daily backup at midnight with the PC being turned offf
after the backup.

Worked like a charm, very easy to set up.
I also went through the recovery routiine and it is very simple.

regards

Daniel
 

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