Multiboot licences

[kurttrail]

MS disagrees with you. They will let you install a second install to
repair a first install only.

LOL! MS disagrees with me all the time. So what? ;-)

MS has be found to be an illegal monopolist thrice over, why would
anyone trust them with their legal opinion?

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[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

If you have one (1) Windows XP license, you can install
and activate it on one (1) computer.

Simply:

(1) license = (1) installation on (1) computer installed on one (1) hard drive

The math is pretty basic....

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Carey Frisch
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| |
| > The OP would still need a new Windows XP license for
| > installation on a second hard drive. Windows XP is licensed
| > on a per computer basis. Using the same license to install
| > Windows XP twice, on the same computer, is a flagrant
| > breach of the End User License Agreement.
| >
|
| In the above statement you made, it says, 'Windows XP is licensed
| on a per computer basis.'.
|
| Am I, or am I not correct in saying that the OP's situation is indeed one
| computer.
|
| So in the past you have indicated that a motherboard change means it's a
| new computer. Now you are saying that using a removable HD to swap
| between 2 different configurations of the same OS on 2 separate HD's is 2
| different computers.
|
| At this rate, it won't be too long before you tell everyone that another
| license in required when they replace their generic keyboard with a
| multi-function keyboard.
|
| It is not the end-user's fault that Windows can't be configured for 2
| radically different purposes easily.

 

[Alias]

My condolences. That is why I have 2 computers --- one
for work with a second for play and family. Other than
2 computer systems, Anna's option is excellent and yes,
I disagree with Carey because an XP system must use a HD
and there is only one functional HD in the system, making
"...one copy on a single computer...", when the other HD
is **not** used in any other system.

Carey must have a walk-in closet full of XP CDs by now, all retail, of
course.

Alias

 

[Alias]

If you have one (1) Windows XP license, you can install
and activate it on one (1) computer.

"Can"? You mean "may", don't you? You "can" install and activate as many
as you like on one computer.

Alias

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Give Microsoft Licensing department a call for a
definitive answer.
1-800-426-9400

OK, I called. I spoke to a woman in Sales & Licensing.
She didn't quite understand the question. Finally, when
I pointed out that it would be in the same computer, and
only one OS could be run at a time, she *guessed* that
it would be OK. But I insisted that she check with someone
more familiar with the EULA. She put me on hold for minute,
and then she came back saying that it could only run in
one machine. Finally, I asked if I'd just have to play it by ear.
She said "Yes".

So, Ms. Fisch, what else is new?

*TimDaniels*

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "kurttrail" <[email protected]>

|
| It's the same hardware and the second install should activate over the
| internet with no problem.
|

Clone it drive to image. Image to drive. Use removeable bays.

No activation required.

 

[Alias]

OK, I called. I spoke to a woman in Sales & Licensing.
She didn't quite understand the question. Finally, when
I pointed out that it would be in the same computer, and
only one OS could be run at a time, she *guessed* that
it would be OK. But I insisted that she check with someone
more familiar with the EULA. She put me on hold for minute,
and then she came back saying that it could only run in
one machine. Finally, I asked if I'd just have to play it by ear.
She said "Yes".

So, Ms. Fisch, what else is new?

*TimDaniels*

She can't answer at the moment; she's making her daily run to buy
another retail copy of XP Pro.

Alias

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org>

|
| She can't answer at the moment; she's making her daily run to buy
| another retail copy of XP Pro.
|
| Alias

 

[Ghostrider]

Carey must have a walk-in closet full of XP CDs by now, all retail, of
course.

Alias

That must be the case...of over-stocking retail Windows XP
when his competitors are getting the OEM packs from MS and
retailing them to "qualified" buyers.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Your right to use Windows XP is spelled out
in the End User License Agreement you agreed
to when you initially installed Windows XP:

From the Windows XP EULA:

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one (1) (uno) copy of the Software on a single
(one) (1) (uno) computer.....

--
Mr. Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

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| "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:
| > Give Microsoft Licensing department a call for a
| > definitive answer.
| > 1-800-426-9400
|
|
| OK, I called. I spoke to a woman in Sales & Licensing.
| She didn't quite understand the question. Finally, when
| I pointed out that it would be in the same computer, and
| only one OS could be run at a time, she *guessed* that
| it would be OK. But I insisted that she check with someone
| more familiar with the EULA. She put me on hold for minute,
| and then she came back saying that it could only run in
| one machine. Finally, I asked if I'd just have to play it by ear.
| She said "Yes".
|
| So, Ms. Fisch, what else is new?
|
| *TimDaniels*

 

[ANONYMOUS]

Says you! And even ASSuming you are correct, that doesn't mean that the
OP doesn't have the right to breach the EULA. Under contract law, MS
would have to sue, and not only prove a breach of contract, but that it
suffered a material loss due to it.

MS would, in effect, have to prove that software that was installed
twice on the SAME machine, but could only one copy could be used at any
given time made them suffer a material loss. Ain't gonna happen!

I guess activation will be an issue here. Activation would be denied
and so the question of MS suing anybody does not arise. Now if the OP
has the resources to sue MS for denying him his rights to use the
software for gaming purposes then he should. Otherwise, we are simply
talking hypotheticals here!!

 

[DanS]

She can't answer at the moment; she's making her daily run to buy
another retail copy of XP Pro.

Alias

DOH!!!!!

Gotta love it!

 

[Larry Samuels]

Nope, activation is not an issue--the second install will activate without a
peep. It sees the same hardware and knows it is the same computer that it is
already activated on.

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MS-MVP (2001-2005)
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[Bruce Chambers]

I'm about to install two seperate HD's and intend to have two seperate
copies of XP - one for work + one for gaming, mixing business (schoolwork
actually) with pleasure is a bit of an issue just now. Does the multiboot
arrangement need two XP licences (using XP Home)?

I have two, but don't want to commit both to one machine if it's not
necessary.

TIA

Steve

Actually, one takes the EULA at face value, dual-booting is
allowed. Specifically, the EULA says "... Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access, display
*and* run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER." The
operative word in the above is "and," and the emphasis is mine.
Regardless of how many installations of the OS exist on the computer,
only one of them can be running at any given time, so it would be
impossible to violate the EULA in this manner.

By the same token, however, this clause does preclude the license
within a virtual machine (VirtualPC or VMWare, fore example), because
one could then have two copies of the same license running simultaneously.


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[Timothy Daniels]

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" whined:

Your right to use Windows XP is spelled out
in the End User License Agreement you agreed
to when you initially installed Windows XP:

From the Windows XP EULA:

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one (1) (uno) copy of the Software on a single
(one) (1) (uno) computer.....

Don't make me laugh, woman! If that were true,
RAID Level 1 would be illegal.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Actually, one takes the EULA at face value, dual-booting is
allowed. Specifically, the EULA says "... Except as otherwise
expressly provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access,
display *and* run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the
COMPUTER." The operative word in the above is "and,"
and the emphasis is mine. Regardless of how many installations
of the OS exist on the computer, only one of them can be
running at any given time, so it would be impossible to violate
the EULA in this manner.

Exacta Mondo! The parallel grammatic construction of the
clause implies an AND in the place of each comma, as in:
"install AND use AND access AND display AND run..."
IOW, if any one of the logical elements is false, the entire
clause is false and therefore does not apply. In the usual
dual-boot system (i.e. not involving dual CPUs), several
of the elements would be false, and the clause could not
possibly apply.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Steve]

Exacta Mondo! The parallel grammatic construction of the
clause implies an AND in the place of each comma, as in:
"install AND use AND access AND display AND run..."
IOW, if any one of the logical elements is false, the entire
clause is false and therefore does not apply. In the usual
dual-boot system (i.e. not involving dual CPUs), several
of the elements would be false, and the clause could not
possibly apply.

*TimDaniels*

Many thanks for the replies folks - I hadn't intended to kick off such a
debate. I if re-read the EULA with the analysis above, its intention is to
ensure that you pay for the copies of XP you use, but two licences for a
dual boot would lead to paying for a copy you couldn't use - not Microsoft's
intent at all.

Best Regards

Steve

 

[DanS]

Exacta Mondo! The parallel grammatic construction of the
clause implies an AND in the place of each comma, as in:
"install AND use AND access AND display AND run..."
IOW, if any one of the logical elements is false, the entire
clause is false and therefore does not apply. In the usual
dual-boot system (i.e. not involving dual CPUs), several
of the elements would be false, and the clause could not
possibly apply.

*TimDaniels*

I have been saying that all along.

Also, with the case of swapping HD's to utilize different
installations....

Item 4 in the EULA that is on my PC anyway...

4. TRANSFER-Internal. You may move the Product to a different
Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must
completely remove the Product from the former Workstation
Computer. <SNIP>

By removing the HD, you are essentially removing XP from the original PC
and then replacing HD2 make the 'move' complete. And it does not place a
limit on the amount of times you can move XP from one PC to another, as
long as it is removed from the previous PC.

Again, in COMPLETE acceptance according to the EULA.

HAH!

 

[mamamia]

Carey must have a walk-in closet full of XP CDs by now, all retail, of
course.

Alias

LOL, If I had a dime for each time Carey told a poster to purchase a
retail copy, I would also have a walk-in closet full of retail XP!

 

[Steve]

I have been saying that all along.

Also, with the case of swapping HD's to utilize different
installations....

Item 4 in the EULA that is on my PC anyway...

4. TRANSFER-Internal. You may move the Product to a different
Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must
completely remove the Product from the former Workstation
Computer. <SNIP>

By removing the HD, you are essentially removing XP from the original PC
and then replacing HD2 make the 'move' complete. And it does not place a
limit on the amount of times you can move XP from one PC to another, as
long as it is removed from the previous PC.

Again, in COMPLETE acceptance according to the EULA.

HAH!

Ace!

Steve