MSI Live Update


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OldGuy

Have an MSI MB.
MSI Live indicated that a new version was ready to download.
Bad bad bad!!!
ver 6 is not compatible with Win XP and does not install but creates
error popups all the time.
So I want to go back to ver 5 but I cannot find it.
I am taveling so I do not have my MSI CD with me.

MSI website even talks about ver 5 but I can find no place to download
it there.

Softpedia shows ver 5 but i cannot figure out what to click to
download.
I uninstalled 6 so at least i do not get the popup errors all the time.

Suggestions (other than upgrade to Win 7) becaue i need Win XP (and
this portable desktop is dual boot to Win XP and Win 7).
 
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VanguardLH

OldGuy said:
Have an MSI MB.

They have a LOT of models, old and new.
MSI Live indicated that a new version was ready to download.
ver 6 is not compatible with Win XP and does not install but creates
error popups all the time. So I want to go back to ver 5 but I cannot find it.

You want us to help you find drivers for unknown software?
MSI website even talks about ver 5 but I can find no place to download
it there.

Me, too. I go to http://us.msi.com/support, click on Motherboard, click
on "Download & Manual", and that's as far as I can get with the
information you provided. The next page has me select between AMD or
Intel CPU but you didn't specify what you have. Can't do a search on a
model number because that wasn't identified so far.
Softpedia shows ver 5 but i cannot figure out what to click to
download.

Yeah, v5, for WHAT motherboard? MSI makes several of them.
I uninstalled 6 so at least i do not get the popup errors all the time.

Suggestions (other than upgrade to Win 7) becaue i need Win XP (and
this portable desktop is dual boot to Win XP and Win 7).

What wasn't working with the old v5 chipset drivers? Why upgrade if it
was all working? What new or fixed features were ther in v6? You
upgrade just because there's a newer version? That can't be all true
since you're still using Windows XP.

Why do you *need* v5 of the unidentified mobo's chipset drivers? After
all, new code can introduce new problems, especially with backwards
compatibility.
 
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Paul

OldGuy said:
Have an MSI MB.
MSI Live indicated that a new version was ready to download.
Bad bad bad!!!
ver 6 is not compatible with Win XP and does not install but creates
error popups all the time.
So I want to go back to ver 5 but I cannot find it.
I am taveling so I do not have my MSI CD with me.

MSI website even talks about ver 5 but I can find no place to download
it there.

Softpedia shows ver 5 but i cannot figure out what to click to download.
I uninstalled 6 so at least i do not get the popup errors all the time.

Suggestions (other than upgrade to Win 7) becaue i need Win XP (and
this portable desktop is dual boot to Win XP and Win 7).

If I look on this page

http://www.msi.com/page/Live-Update-5-Manual#!mm=about

I get a download link for Live Update 6. But, I can try
this link in archive.org and see if an older one is available.

http://download.msi.com/uti_exe/LiveUpdate.zip

Fortunately, version 6 hasn't been around for too long. So
I end up here.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140407232923/http://msi.com/page/Live-Update-5-Manual

And the download link on that page happens to be
labeled as Live Update 5. Even though MSI didn't make
allowance for changing the file name, so we could tell
one download from another.

Try this link. About 10 meg or so.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140407232923/http://download.msi.com/uti_exe/LiveUpdate.zip

And for once, the download file is actually stored on archive.org.
Many times, the download is on an FTP server or on a server
with norobot tag, and there isn't an actual file available.

LiveUpdate.zip (Version 5)
10,104,363 bytes
sha1sum = 5e422610209c619298cabe66053bc1619204fbd5

From the Readme inside that file

"[ LiveUpdate5 ]
Support OS : XP (32/64), Vista (32/64) , Win7 (32/64) , Win8 (32/64) , Win8.1 (32/64)

1. Utility for BIOS/Driver/Application update.

===============================================================
Version: 5.0.115 Author: Johnny Chen Build Date: 2014/03/19
"

I didn't install it, because I have some experience with it :)
I used it for an MSI Video card once.

HTH,
Paul
 
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Mayayana

I think there are 2 good lessons there:

1) Don't fiddle with it while you're away from home.

2) Don't update hardware drivers unless you need
something specific that's in the new version and
the current driver is not working adequately.
Same with BIOS update. There are risks, and
there's no reason to assume that the newer
version is somehow better.
 
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OldGuy

OK so you don't get it.

Live Update 5 is the version compatible with my MB on Win XP.
(Live Update 6 is compatible with my Win 7)
Live Update is the MSI app the checks my system, see what MB I have,
and tells me if my SW is up to date or not. I do not have to guess if
I need to update or not. I makes it all very simple.
Live Update can then assist in downloading and installing the correct
new drivers etc for my system.

My system crashed totally and the latest divers were not in the MRF
Image I restored with so i just wanted to bring my system up to date.

P.S. what use is a PC if not to fiddle with, even on travel.
 
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jim

OldGuy said:
Have an MSI MB.
MSI Live indicated that a new version was ready to download.
Bad bad bad!!!
ver 6 is not compatible with Win XP and does not install but creates
error popups all the time.
So I want to go back to ver 5 but I cannot find it.
I am taveling so I do not have my MSI CD with me.

MSI website even talks about ver 5 but I can find no place to download it there.

Softpedia shows ver 5 but i cannot figure out what to click to download.
I uninstalled 6 so at least i do not get the popup errors all the time.

Suggestions (other than upgrade to Win 7) becaue i need Win XP (and this
portable desktop is dual boot to Win XP and Win 7).

Filehippo.com has earlier versions of software .
 
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philo 

Have an MSI MB.
MSI Live indicated that a new version was ready to download.
Bad bad bad!!!
ver 6 is not compatible with Win XP and does not install but creates
error popups all the time.
So I want to go back to ver 5 but I cannot find it.
I am taveling so I do not have my MSI CD with me.

MSI website even talks about ver 5 but I can find no place to download
it there.

Softpedia shows ver 5 but i cannot figure out what to click to download.
I uninstalled 6 so at least i do not get the popup errors all the time.

Suggestions (other than upgrade to Win 7) becaue i need Win XP (and
this portable desktop is dual boot to Win XP and Win 7).



Uninstall it entirely.


There are probably not going to be any more new drivers for XP
and even if there were, assuming your system is now working, there would
be no need to change.
 
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VanguardLH

OldGuy said:
OK so you don't get it.

We (which apparently is you since that is to whom you replied) got that
you didn't give the hardware details.
Live Update 5 is the version compatible with my MB on Win XP.
(Live Update 6 is compatible with my Win 7)
Live Update is the MSI app the checks my system, see what MB I have,

Yep, that's what a LiveUpdate monitor does; however, it is running on
the hardware to know what it is. We here don't have a monitor running
on your hardware to know what it is.
and tells me if my SW is up to date or not.

Yep, it tells you there is a newer version. It does NOT tell you if you
NEED it. Hmm, you are back on Windows XP. I'm sure you found out about
Windows Vista, 7, and 8. Yet you didn't upgrade all your hosts to the
latest version of Windows, did you?

Yes, we get it, we get that chipset drivers (and BIOS) do NOT require
updating unless there are new features in the new version not available
in the old version (and you have software that demands those new
features which is highly unlikely) that something is broke with the old
version (and you're hoping it got fixed in the new version without
adding more or new problems with the new code). Same goes for video
drivers or any hardware-related support.

If the current drivers or firmware is working in your setup, you don't
need to concern yourself with problems with the old versions that are
experienced by others. You might find the new version is actually worse
than the old version. That happens a lot with video drivers because
they need to make their code usable with new games but end up making
that new version incompatible with old games.
I do not have to guess if I need to update or not.

Yes, you do. It is still YOUR choice to perform the update. They just
tell you if there is a newer version. You choose to do the update.
They don't force an update. If you are installing drivers then you are
the admin of that computer and, as an admin, you're supposed to know or
try to research whether the new version is applicable to your setup.
I makes it all very simple.

Lighting a fuse on a stick of dynamite is simple, too. You already
found out that simple did not equate to correct.
Live Update can then assist in downloading and installing the correct
new drivers etc for my system.

Yep, once YOU decide to apply the update. You're the admin, not them.
My system crashed totally and the latest divers were not in the MRF
Image I restored with so i just wanted to bring my system up to date.

I can't see how any *imaging* backup program would exclude drivers
unless you configured it to exclude a folder. Doesn't sound like you
saved an image but instead did a file backup. Seems odd that even with
a file backup that the drivers, which are just files, weren't included.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/MRF

I don't what MRF means to you. Which image backup program is that? I'd
like to know to remember to avoid it since, according to you, it doesn't
actually include all files in an image or file backup.
P.S. what use is a PC if not to fiddle with, even on travel.

You are the admin. Always plan an escape route. Since you were backing
up (with a poor program or poorly configured one), you already know
about planning for recovery.

When MSI's LiveUpdate runs, it doesn't offer to save the current
firmware code into a file so you can use it to revert back to the old
chipset versions? You said MSI LiveUpdate v6 did not install. If so,
you were still back on the v5 chipset drivers. So what were the errors?
Were they issued by LiveUpdate v6? Where they errors or just notices
about a newer chipset version (v6 which, according to you, weren't
applicable to Windows XP so LiveUpdate isn't so "simple" as you said).
 
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OldGuy

MRF == Macrium Reflect Free (commonly talked about here).

MSI Live 5 updates to the latest drivers for the MB.
Live 6 is for Win 7 (maybe Vista but who cares).
Live 6 does not install on Win XP.
I found a download for Liev 5 and am going to try it out.
As I remember it nags for an option upgrade to Live 6 that always fails
so from now on I will just ignore the upgrade nag.

The MB does not matter! Since I am uinsg MSI Live.
MSI Live see which MB and offers the lates drivers.

MRF does not seem to totally provide a perfect IMAGE.
It is probably 99.999% correct but i did have a few things to fix.
I did all that.
Most seem to be registry glitches;however, if you remember I said that
on first boot it would not boot, but on second boot it ask if i wanted
to try a previous working version.
So maybe that is where the "lateset" stuff I did way back in August
(before the crash of November) was located; therefore, the IMAGE did
not run but allowed me to use a previous (that was stored by windows
and included in the IMAGE) Win incarnation.

Anyway, all is well enough now. Still finding a thing here and there
to fix but it is manageble.
 
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Hot-Text

OldGuy said:
Have an MSI MB.
MSI Live indicated that a new version was ready to download.
Bad bad bad!!!
ver 6 is not compatible with Win XP and does not install but creates error
popups all the time.
So I want to go back to ver 5 but I cannot find it.
I am taveling so I do not have my MSI CD with me.

MSI website even talks about ver 5 but I can find no place to download it
there.

Softpedia shows ver 5 but i cannot figure out what to click to download.
I uninstalled 6 so at least i do not get the popup errors all the time.

< http://www.oldapps.com/internet_explorer.php>
 
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VanguardLH

OldGuy said:
MRF == Macrium Reflect Free

Okay, got it.
(commonly talked about here).

I've been here quite a while. You might think MRF is a common topic. I
might think that EOL is a much more common and recent topic. Be careful
when using acronyms. It could limit the audience from which you are
attempting to cull for help.

I still remember a meeting a long time ago at work where it was mostly
listening to a manager's oration. At some point, maybe after 5 minutes,
there was a bit of snickering and he interrupted to ask why. We noted
that if it were not for the extremely select audience to which he spoke
that his speech would be meaningless. Every 3rd word was an acronym.
Even then we would sometimes have to mentally spell out an acronym to
figure out what he was talking about and that meant catching up on his
speech. We all knew the lingo but started laughing at ourselves at how
narrow is its audience: just those in the room. To others, even those
in our own industry, it would be gibberish.
MSI Live 5 updates to the latest drivers for the MB.
Live 6 is for Win 7 (maybe Vista but who cares).
Live 6 does not install on Win XP.
I found a download for Liev 5 and am going to try it out.
As I remember it nags for an option upgrade to Live 6 that always fails
so from now on I will just ignore the upgrade nag.

Does it have an option to enable or disable automatic update checking?
The nags might be part of that auto-check. You might get rid of the
nags by disabling the auto-check option; however, then it would be up to
you to decide when and if to check for updates (which has already been
belaboured upon as to why such usually frivilous updates are not
recommended).
The MB does not matter! Since I am uinsg MSI Live. MSI Live see which
MB and offers the lates drivers.

You asked US about the chipset updates, or so I thought. After reading
the jerky one-line-per-paragraph format of your original post, it looks
like you instead wanted to know how to revert to the prior version of
just the LiveUpdate program, not the drivers.
MRF does not seem to totally provide a perfect IMAGE.
It is probably 99.999% correct but i did have a few things to fix.
I did all that.

Not everything in the state of an OS is in a file. Some of it is in
memory. If you've made changes to the desktop, like icon layout, or
added toolbars to the Windows taskbar, and have not yet logged out and
back in (to write those changes into files) then they are not included
in a disk image. A memory image is not included in a disk image. Other
than guessing, I don't what were the other "few things" that were
different on an image restore.
Most seem to be registry glitches;

Applications that write to the registry are writing a memory copy of the
registry, not to the disk file copy. On startup, Windows loads the
registry into memory. Thereafter accesses to the registry are to the
memory copy. This keeps quick the access and update to the registry.
If Windows crashes or for whatever reason the memory copy of the
registry has not yet been written to the disk, and because image backup
programs save an image of the disk, they won't have any unsaved changes
in the memory copy of the registry. I don't know the algorithm used by
Microsoft as to when they sync the memory and disk copies of the
registry.
however, if you remember I said that
on first boot it would not boot, but on second boot it ask if i wanted
to try a previous working version.

The registry holds two, or more, past snapshots of the OS and hardware
configuration settings. You'll find them in the registry under:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM

with subkeys named

ControlSetXXX

where XXX is a number. One of those is the current config set. The
other is the last config (that worked okay in a prior Windows startup).
The CurrentControlSet key is merely a duplicate copy (pointer) to one of
the numbered ones; however, it makes it easy for the user to modify the
current config rather than have to visit the Select subkey to get the
value of the data item named Current.

In my current state, the Select subkey has:

Current = 1
LastKnownGood = 2

There are 2 same-level subkeys named:

ControlSet001
ControlSet002

So it's obvious which config set the Select key's data items are
pointing at. Because "1" is the value of Current under the Select key,
it is also to what CurrentControlSet points.

By electing to boot using the Last Known Good Configuration, you use the
config settings of a prior config set saved in the registry. When you
saved a backup image, you were running under whatever was the current
control set, not what was saved for a prior Windows configuration.

By the way, in regards to "if you remember I said", I cannot remember
what you haven't yet said. Nowhere before in this thread did you
mention Last Known Good or previous working version.
Anyway, all is well enough now. Still finding a thing here and there
to fix but it is manageble.

I don't recall such troubles when I last use MRF (I later switched to
Easeus ToDo and then back to Acronis True Image - notice that I did not
use acronyms for those). However, when I manually saved backup images,
it was my fault if I had made changes to the desktop which weren't saved
to disk by a logoff and logon so such loss of setup was my fault. I
closed all applications, even the startup programs, to make sure their
disk files were updated and static. I only ran a manual backup if I was
planning on a major change, like installing software that I might want
to later remove. Otherwise, my backups were scheduled to run at 4 AM
while I was sleeping and I don't leave any apps running other than the
the background ones (usually the startup progs).

Glad to see you recovered with only a few glitches, and that you got the
old LiveUpdate version 5; however, regarding LiveUpdate, you might have
to disable auto-update to eliminate the nags, or remove it as a startup
program and run it only when you choose to check for updates.
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

OldGuy said:
MRF == Macrium Reflect Free (commonly talked about here).

MSI Live 5 updates to the latest drivers for the MB.

Which you obviously MUST have. They are OBVIOUSLY better, and WON'T
break anything.
Live 6 is for Win 7 (maybe Vista but who cares).
Live 6 does not install on Win XP.
I found a download for Liev 5 and am going to try it out.
As I remember it nags for an option upgrade to Live 6 that always fails
so from now on I will just ignore the upgrade nag.

The MB does not matter! Since I am uinsg MSI Live.
MSI Live see which MB and offers the lates drivers.

Which you MUST believe are better.
[]
Anyway, all is well enough now. Still finding a thing here and there
to fix but it is manageble.
Glad you got sorted. But don't break it by installing new drivers etc.
just because some utility tells you they exist and that you "need" them
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