MS and Sun Java Clash On My PC??

[Susan]

I had to download a secure financial file that required me to load Sun Java
runtime before I could log in to get the file--this was successful. Use
Windows XP.

I then noticed considerable and consistent delays in IE6 loading new pages
and suspect there is a conflict going on between Sun's Java and Microsoft's
Java. Can I clear this up any way without removing Sun's Java?? Since I
don't know when I will need to do a download like this again it may be
better to remove Sun's Java??

I thought Microsoft and Sun worked out there differences??

Thank you.

Susan

 

[Charlie Tame]

Try this site

http://www.fitwise.com/testjava.asp

If you get rid of either it's the MS one that should go, it's not supported
and really no use having both any more.

Charlie

 

[Susan]

Try this site

http://www.fitwise.com/testjava.asp

If you get rid of either it's the MS one that should go, it's not supported
and really no use having both any more.

Charlie

Both the grayed paragraphs were nominal, Sun Java running okay. I checked
the settings further down in the page and either found them and they were
okay or couldn't find them but the page only seemed to apply to IE4 and 5
and made no mention of IE6 which no doubt changed some things around as to
how they display or changed.

I could not find any separate mention of MS's Java so even if I am running
both and they are conflicting somehow (transparent) I don't know how to
remove MS's?

Under "Set Program Access and Defaults" and under "Custom | Choose a
default Virtual Machine for Java", the only bullet is set for "Use my
current Virtual Machine for Java".

Maybe I should remove Sun's Java runtime to see if IE6's loading of first
pages to different URL's no longer chokes and thinks: ~20 for my home page
of Astronomy Picture of the Day to appear; ~8 seconds for CNN.com; ~8
seconds. Hmmm... 8 seconds might not be to bad. I wonder what is going on
here. Maybe my cable modem service fall way off at certain times?

Another related or not thing is that IE6's Back Arrow has to be double or
triple-clicked rapidly to return to previous screens on some (if not all)
sites like forums or game sites? Is this now the norm or is this another
problem that I might spend some time and get rectified?

Thank you.

Susan

 

[Rock]

I had to download a secure financial file that required me to load Sun Java
runtime before I could log in to get the file--this was successful. Use
Windows XP.

I then noticed considerable and consistent delays in IE6 loading new pages
and suspect there is a conflict going on between Sun's Java and Microsoft's
Java. Can I clear this up any way without removing Sun's Java?? Since I
don't know when I will need to do a download like this again it may be
better to remove Sun's Java??

I thought Microsoft and Sun worked out there differences??

Thank you.

Susan

MS Java has not been supported for some time. Best to go with Sun.
Work out their differences? I guess you could say that. MS lost the
lawsuit and MS Java is no longer supported or included with XP service
packs.

 

[MAP]

I could not find any separate mention of MS's Java so even if I am

running
both and they are conflicting somehow (transparent) I don't know how
to
remove MS's?

http://java.com/en/download/help/uninstall_msvm.xml

 

[Charlie Tame]

See inline below...

Both the grayed paragraphs were nominal, Sun Java running okay. I checked
the settings further down in the page and either found them and they were
okay or couldn't find them but the page only seemed to apply to IE4 and 5
and made no mention of IE6 which no doubt changed some things around as to
how they display or changed.

Should not really affect how Java applets are displayed but it's working at
least rather than crashing

I could not find any separate mention of MS's Java so even if I am running
both and they are conflicting somehow (transparent) I don't know how to
remove MS's?

Under "Set Program Access and Defaults" and under "Custom | Choose a
default Virtual Machine for Java", the only bullet is set for "Use my
current Virtual Machine for Java".

Then the MS one may not be there, it should not be unless you installed it I
think...

Maybe I should remove Sun's Java runtime to see if IE6's loading of first
pages to different URL's no longer chokes and thinks: ~20 for my home page
of Astronomy Picture of the Day to appear; ~8 seconds for CNN.com; ~8
seconds. Hmmm... 8 seconds might not be to bad. I wonder what is going
on
here. Maybe my cable modem service fall way off at certain times?

Another related or not thing is that IE6's Back Arrow has to be double or
triple-clicked rapidly to return to previous screens on some (if not all)
sites like forums or game sites? Is this now the norm or is this another
problem that I might spend some time and get rectified?

I am wondering if something has been corrupted... have you checked for
spyware with the tools listed below. It is always possible that something
tried to infect and failed but damaged a file or whatever.


--
SpyBot Search and Destroy
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/
Microsoft Antispyware
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&displaylang=en
Ad Aware
http://www.download.com/Ad-Aware-SE...045910.html?part=dl-ad-aware&subj=dl&tag=top5
Important - LSP-Fix
http://www.cexx.org/lspfix.htm

Be aware that using either of these to actually remove spyware can result in
some programs refusing to work, in other words "Free" programs that you
downloaded on condition you accepted ads and so called "Research" may get
broken and you might want to uninstall them first. Some spyware actually
breaks Windows trying to force it's way in and you should arm yourself with
LSP-Fix before starting in case you lose internet connectivity.

http://www.broomeman.com/spyware/
http://www.nsclean.com/nws-root.html

Charlie

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

(e-mail address removed) wrote:

I've not seen such conflicts. What was the baseline version of your
XP, i.e. does your XP installation disk say "SP1a" or "SP2"?

Original XP and (the rare) SP1 probably contain MS Java.

SP1a and SP2 do not, unless you installed it yourself. SP1a is
identical to SP1 except MS Java was removed, in deference to the
judgement brought against MS in the Sun-vs.-MS case.

MS Java has not been supported for some time. Best to go with Sun.
Work out their differences? I guess you could say that. MS lost the
lawsuit and MS Java is no longer supported or included with XP service
packs.

As Rock says... a practical difficulty was that as MS was forbidden to
"distribute" MS Java, patching defects in MS Java became tricky if the
whole Java VM had to be replaced. How do you make fixed versions of
the VM available without "distributing" it? You can't just rip it
out, if the user is dependent on it - especially if dependent on those
"special Windows features" that were the grounds for the litigation.

Sun also replaces the whole Java machine (they call it "Java Runtime
Engine" or JRE, whereas MS refers to the "Virtual Machine" or VM)
whenever defects are found - and unfortunately, installing the
bugfixed JRE does NOT remove the old exploitable one, which remains
installed and can be exploited.

So you need to go Add/Remove and rip out any old Sun JREs, especially
anything 1.4.xxx (current is 1.5.006) Java has been used as an
exploitable "edge" surface, so you have to keep up with the patch race
there. It may be that MS's difficulties in delivering patches for MS
Java was an impetus, or it may just be that Java is a huge hairy
edge-facing blob with large surface area, certain to feed exploits.

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Don't pay malware vendors - boycott Sony

 

[Susan]

I've not seen such conflicts. What was the baseline version of your
XP, i.e. does your XP installation disk say "SP1a" or "SP2"?

My XP Home does not mention SP1. My last clean install used Windows Update
to include among many other things both SP1 and SP2--took a while--there
must be a better way?

So you need to go Add/Remove and rip out any old Sun JREs, especially
anything 1.4.xxx (current is 1.5.006)

Interestingly I only found Sun's Java listed in Add/Remove. No mention of
MS VM anywhere I could see. On a whim I uninstalled Sun's Java Runtime and
went through their entire article on "How do I uninstall Microsoft Virtual
Machine?" including the Registry entries. IIRC I only found one mention of
Microsoft VM in the Registry and removed it.

In any case, with no Java running, I noticed a marked and obvious increase
in IE6's initial page loading time and whenever I went to a new site and
through it and I noticed that the back arrow started functioning properly
too with only one click required to return to previous pages!

This of course left me feeling that maybe the entire problem all along
wasn't any conflict but was Sun's Java Runtime itself? I should reinstall
JRE to verify this theory but since I don't have any need for it at the
moment I'm going to leave things where they are and enjoy a more robust IE6
again.

Susan