MR GATES, DO YOU EXPECT US HOME USERS TO BUY MORE THAN ONE LICENSE AT $200-BS!

[Joe]

I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both
of my PCs at home is pure bullshit. I will never buy or
use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand
software piracy, but god this is gone too far.

MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD
THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC
HOME NETWORK.

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[John E. Carty]

I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both
of my PCs at home is pure bullshit. I will never buy or
use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand
software piracy, but god this is gone too far.

MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD
THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC
HOME NETWORK.

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

There's a really simple solution to this issue. Actually read the terms of
use for the software

 

[Nicholas]

Joe --

Windows XP requires a separate license (Product Key) for each
installation on a different computer. Otherwise, Product Activation
will fail on the second computer installation. So, you need to purchase
a new license (Product Key) for another installation.

Read your Windows XP End-User License Agreement:

Start > Run and type: WINVER , and hit enter.

It clearly states that you may only install one (1) copy
of Windows XP on just one (1) computer. You will
need a new license (Product Key) for each new
installation on a different computer.

Also, open XP's "Help and Support" and type: EULA
and click on "Questions and Answers about the
End User License Agreement".

To purchase an additional Windows XP license, visit:

Additional Licenses for Windows XP Home Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/addlic.asp

Additional licenses for Windows XP Professional
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.asp

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| I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both
| of my PCs at home is pure bullshit. I will never buy or
| use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand
| software piracy, but god this is gone too far.
|
| MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD
| THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC
| HOME NETWORK.
|
| BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[David Candy]

Mr Gates was asked twenty years ago 'If all software should be free". and replied "Yes, and all hardware too".

I hope where you bought the computers from didn't charge you more than US$600 for three. They surely wouldn't assume "... [you] HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC HOME NETWORK.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Joe;
No one expects you to do anything or assumes anything about you.
You do not need to upgrade any of your computers much less all 3.

This policy is not new.
This is the same policy that has always been with all Microsoft
consumer OSs.

You may like this:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/prod...44&path=0:3944:3951:41937:86796:106562:106560

 

[PCyr]

You know that thing that says is big letters, "READ CAREFULLY BEFORE
AGREEING," I take it you didn't bother to read it, did you?
This has been the same policy with ALL versions of Windows. The only new
thing is an anti-piracy mechanism to prevent you from pirating Windows like
you probably have done with your other computers.

One of the things I hate most is someone who blames someone else because
they were to damn lazy to read the fine print.

Do us all a favour and do as you say you will, "never buy or use a Microsoft
product ever again", because we don't want to hear you complain that
upgrading to Windows Longhorn requires you to pay to upgrade your hardware.

Geez, I hope you don't complain to a credit card company because of those
"hidden" fees, that are clearly stated in the fine print. I guess they're
only called hidden because some people don't have good eyesight .

Go complain somewhere else, and next time read the fine print. It's no
one's fault but your own.

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[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

What planet are you from? Does your local grocer let you walk out
of the market with three loaves of bread when you've paid for only
one? Can you drive three cars home if you've paid for only one? Does
your local clothier allow you to leave the shop with three shirts if
you've purchased only one? Have you noticed a trend, yet? Where in
the world did you ever get the absurd idea that software manufacturers
would sell their products any differently?

As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,
it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and copyright
laws, if not technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each
computer on which it is installed. The only way in which WinXP
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that
Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft
mechanism, Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more
difficult) the sort of multiple installations you're asking about.

No one "expects" you to buy WinXP for every machine in the house.
If you want every computer to run the same operating system, that's
_your_ choice.

It's thieves like you who have made it necessary for Microsoft and
other software manufacturers to implement copy protection mechanisms
like Product Activation. You have no one to blame but yourself, and
others of your ilk.


Bruce Chambers

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[Greg P Rozelle]

Yes, this person was rude in the way they posted
However, don't get on people because the don't like Activation.

Also, you don't have to activate bread. 3 loafs of bread are a lot
cheaper the three full versions of XP.

You shouldn't call people thief's.

The product activation didn't decrease piracy it actual increased it.
Their are pirated copies of xp out their.

I have a legal Version of Xp that came with my computer.

I don't like product activation because I like to fiddle around with
settings. My believe is once you buy it, it should not have to do
anything else to use it period.

However, I do agree that companies have a right to protect their
software but don't inconvenience the consumer.

Greg P Rozelle

Greetings --

What planet are you from? Does your local grocer let you walk out
of the market with three loaves of bread when you've paid for only
one? Can you drive three cars home if you've paid for only one? Does
your local clothier allow you to leave the shop with three shirts if
you've purchased only one? Have you noticed a trend, yet? Where in
the world did you ever get the absurd idea that software manufacturers
would sell their products any differently?

As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,
it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and copyright
laws, if not technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each
computer on which it is installed. The only way in which WinXP
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that
Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft
mechanism, Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more
difficult) the sort of multiple installations you're asking about.

No one "expects" you to buy WinXP for every machine in the house.
If you want every computer to run the same operating system, that's
_your_ choice.

It's thieves like you who have made it necessary for Microsoft and
other software manufacturers to implement copy protection mechanisms
like Product Activation. You have no one to blame but yourself, and
others of your ilk.


Bruce Chambers

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Disclaimer
My advice is as-is. It could trash your system.

 

[Ron]

Yes, you must read before you buy, but::: I also agree
that this is bullshit! Lets face it people, its all about
money, just pure greed. Microsoft already had a lock on
the OS market and were making billions of $$ before WinXP
and their "product activation" scheme. Now they're hosing
us with Digital Rights Management in Windows Media Player
9. Lovely.....Makes me want to go out and buy another new
comp. How about you. Plunk down another grand or so and
not be able to do what you want to do with it. I
personally hope all this comes back to bite them in the
behind. My copy of Win 98 becomes more and more valuable
every day.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Greg;
WPA was designed to slow casual piracy.
Casual piracy is mostly the average person buying a piece of software
and installing it on many computers not even knowing that what they
are doing is wrong.
Many of these people were quite willing to buy multiple copies once
they realized it was the honest thing to do.
Look in the newsgroup archives starting shortly after Windows XP was
released and you will see.

Also when SP1 was released, there were countless people that were
willing to spend their $ to do the right thing even though they had
spent $ on a pirated copy of Windows XP Pro.

WPA was never intended to do the impossible and stop piracy, thieves
will always find a way to steal.
However WPA has helped many realize the correct way to buy software
and has cut down on casual piracy as it was intended.

If someone does not like the terms of the EULA, return the computer or
Windows XP and choose Linux or another alternative.

--
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An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
http://dts-l.org/index.html


SNIPPED

 

[Donald McDaniel]

Joe --

Windows XP requires a separate license (Product Key) for each
installation on a different computer. Otherwise, Product Activation
will fail on the second computer installation. So, you need to purchase
a new license (Product Key) for another installation.

Read your Windows XP End-User License Agreement:

Start > Run and type: WINVER , and hit enter.

It clearly states that you may only install one (1) copy
of Windows XP on just one (1) computer. You will
need a new license (Product Key) for each new
installation on a different computer.

Also, open XP's "Help and Support" and type: EULA
and click on "Questions and Answers about the
End User License Agreement".

To purchase an additional Windows XP license, visit:

Additional Licenses for Windows XP Home Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/addlic.asp

Additional licenses for Windows XP Professional
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.asp

The Standard Microsoft License was reasonable when it was reasonably priced
at $89 or less. At the current $299 (or even $199) for a License, it now
seems more like the sky-high rents we are paying to slum lords. Microsoft
should immediately lower the price of a license for XP Home to $49, so the
average/low income person can afford it. Let's face it, not all of us make
$60,000/yr, or even $20,000/yr, or even $10,000/yr. Many of us are still
being paid minimum wage, while the slum lords are stealing our hard-earned
dollars for rat-infested warrens.

I can only assume that Microsoft must be trying to "socially engineer" low-
income people to stop using computers. Just another one of the tactics of
the elitists to keep the unwashed slaves "in their places". We can't have
any uppity plebes gaining knowledge of computers, now, can we?. It might help
to set them free.

No wonder so many of our people are escaping their misery through illegal
drugs, alcohol, and sex.

 

[Testy]

Why did my car insurance go up 40% when I have never had an accident nor a
claim?

Testy

Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle

Greg,

You might as well have asked - why does a GM Saturn cost $11,000 and a
Ferrari $300,000 ?
We spend billions of dollars every year on the research and development to
deliver our products to customers.
If you consider the cost of Windows 95 at launch Aug 1995 and the cost of
Windows XP at launch Oct 2001 you will see that in real terms the cost of
Windows has fallen.

Can you please also proved a specific link to the alleged $45 dollar cost.



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Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle

 

[Testy]

Mike the article is here:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11058

Of course it IS the Inquirer so must be taken with a grain of salt (and
maybe a couple of shots of Tequila)

Testy

Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle

Greg,

You might as well have asked - why does a GM Saturn cost $11,000 and a
Ferrari $300,000 ?
We spend billions of dollars every year on the research and development to
deliver our products to customers.
If you consider the cost of Windows 95 at launch Aug 1995 and the cost of
Windows XP at launch Oct 2001 you will see that in real terms the cost of
Windows has fallen.

Can you please also proved a specific link to the alleged $45 dollar cost.



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Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle

Greg,

While I cannot comment on piece from the Inquirer (
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11058 - Thanks Testy) that is supposedly
a rewrite of a piece from the Wall Street Journal.
If you look at the text. It is not the retail price that appears to be
cut - but the fact that the government was going to sell PCs, so this is
effectively an OEM deal. In that the Thailand government is going to OEM
machines with Windows XP and Office XP on them. The price of our products to
OEMs is always different then to the retail channel.
You can buy a $500 dollar PC with an operating system that retail costs
$200. The bare hardware in that PC costs more then $400 so the OEMs do get
a reduced price (for many varied reasons).
Product Activation in OEM versions of Windows and Office ca be removed from
the user perspective and is not visible to anyone, as we can use what is
often referred to as "BIOS Locked" in that the product does not need to
activate as it is locked to the BIOS of the PC it is installed to.

Product Activation and new pre-loaded PCs


The majority of customers acquire Windows with the purchase of a new
computer, and most new computers pre-loaded with Windows XP will not require
activation at all. Microsoft provides OEMs with the ability to
"pre-activate" Windows XP in the factory and estimates that upwards of 80%
of all new PCs will be delivered to the customer pre-activated.



"Pre-activation" of Windows XP by the OEMs will be done in one of two
different ways depending on the OEM's own configuration options and choices.
Some OEMs may protect Windows XP using a mechanism which locks the
installation to OEM-specified BIOS information in the PC. This technology
works very similar to existing technologies that many OEMs have used over
the years with the CDs they ship to reinstall Windows on these computers.
We expanded and integrated the existing OEM CD BIOS locking mechanism with
product activation, and call this method of protection "System Locked
Pre-installation," or SLP.



Successfully implemented, SLP uses information stored in an OEM PC's BIOS to
protect the installation from casual piracy. No communication by the end
customer to Microsoft is required and no hardware hash is created or
necessary. At boot, Windows XP compares the PC's BIOS to the SLP
information. If it matches, no activation is required.



Every single piece of hardware could be changed on a PC with SLP and no
reactivation would be required - even the motherboard could be replaced as
long as the replacement motherboard was original equipment manufactured by
the OEM and retained the proper BIOS.




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Jupiter Jones
Why in the US is Xp Full Version Cost $200 to $300?

Also In One country Microsoft Reduce the Price of Xp to $45 Dollars
and that xp has the Activation Requirement Removed.

Greg P Rozelle

 

[Donald McDaniel]

Donald;
No one has to buy Windows XP at all.
There is no compelling reason to upgrade a previous OS unless there
are features in the new OS that are needed.

At least from Windows 95 on the price for home users of Windows has
stayed the same.
About $200 for a full version, about $100 for upgrade.
That actually comes out to a price drop when you take into account
inflation, so you are getting it for less.

We have no right to say "Microsoft should immediately lower the price
of a license for XP Home to $49, so the average/low income person can
afford it"
What do you base that statement on?
Where is your marketing research to support that statement.

Where do you work?
Can I come in to your place of business and expect to get your
services at 25% what your business wants? Why or why not?

This is capitalism in progress.
If you do not like the price, buy something else, and there is
something else.
Why does anybody NEED to buy the latest OS?
Where is the OS that came with their computer?
You make is seem like someone is forcing people to upgrade, they
choose to upgrade.
No one forces anyone.
People can choose for themselves.
Most people upgrade to a new OS simply when it is time to buy a new
computer...another choice they make.

Your assumption "I can only assume that Microsoft must be trying to
"socially engineer" low-income people to stop using computers" is also
false.
Explain how a business can make money by encouraging people not to use
their service.

Your suggestion "No wonder so many of our people are escaping their
misery through illegal drugs, alcohol, and sex" is a cheap excuse at
best.
If those are your problems, do not blame them on anyone other than
yourself.
Those problems are also a choice an individual makes and is personally
responsible for.

And WHY do I have no right to exercise my First Amendment rights of Free
Speech? Just like all the elitists, you want to shut us up..

But the fact remains, I have EVERY right to suggest that Microsoft should
immeiately lower the price on XP Home to $49. That is my opinion. I have
every right to my opinion.

Explain how a business can make money by gouging the public.

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

But the fact remains, I have EVERY right to suggest that Microsoft should
immeiately lower the price on XP Home to $49. That is my opinion. I have
every right to my opinion.

Explain how a business can make money by gouging the public.

Explain how a business can make money if it sells it's products for less
then it costs to develop them and the new versions.

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[Donald McDaniel]

Explain how a business can make money if it sells it's products for less
then it costs to develop them and the new versions.

Maybe Microsoft needs to unload some of its cash. What better way to do it
than help provide advanced technology to the poor and marginal.

 

[Testy]

Actually Bill Gates philanthropic donations are quite extensive.

Testy

 

[John E. Carty]

And WHY do I have no right to exercise my First Amendment rights of Free
Speech? Just like all the elitists, you want to shut us up..

But the fact remains, I have EVERY right to suggest that Microsoft should
immeiately lower the price on XP Home to $49. That is my opinion. I have
every right to my opinion.

I guess that means BMW should lower their cost to $16,000 on all models.
After all, not everyone can afford a BMW