MR GATES, DO YOU EXPECT US HOME USERS TO BUY MORE THAN ONE LICENSE AT $200-BS!

[Mr. Gates]

-----Original Message-----
I spent $200 on this Windows XP and I cant use it on both
of my PCs at home is pure bullshit. I will never buy or
use a Microsoft product ever again! I can understand
software piracy, but god this is gone too far.

MR GATES MUST ASSUME WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD
THAT WE CAN AFFORD $600 TO USE WINDOWS ON OUR SMALL 3 PC
HOME NETWORK.

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe,

I've read your posting carefully and given the matter
serious consideration. NO!

Mr. Gates

 

[OKlier]

Joe,
Linux. It's free.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Greg;
Retail Windows XP Home is about $200 US, Pro about $300 US, about the
same cost since Windows 95.

The reduced cost you refer to is actually OEM.
OEM is not the same as retail price wise.

A more fair comparison is what does a LEGAL retail price of Windows XP
Home?

Take a look at this:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/prod...ype=19&dept=3944&path=0:3944:3951:41937:64213
This is also OEM, OEM are sold at reduced prices.
There is no way $200 US is for the OS alone on this computer.
OEM normally do not require activation.
OEM computers are available almost everywhere.
So there is a discount for Windows XP in this country as well.

The article in the Inquirer leaves much out..total cost of computer
system, what all is included etc.
Not to mention it is a totally unreliable source to begin with.
The economy in Thailand, Microsoft negotiations and many other things
are also major factors.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Donald;
You are correct.
I mis-worded my statement.
But if you read it closer I never directed it specifically at you,
that is your own little twist of my words.
Instead of "We have no right to say "Microsoft should immediately
lower the price of a license for XP Home to $49, so the average/low
income person can
afford it""
I should have said "Microsoft and any other business for that matter
has NO obligation to take our price suggestions"

Whether Microsoft "Gouges" or not may be a matter of opinion.
The fact is that Microsoft does make money.

I am glad that we agree on the other points since you did not contest
them.
However I would like an answer to my questions re-posted below for you
to answer:
"Where do you work?
Can I come in to your place of business and expect to get your
services at 25% what your business wants? Why or why not?"

 

[TEW]

Hey, come on Dud, how about $29, sounds better to me. Wait, how about $19,
yea even better!

 

[Brian Tillman]

Maybe Microsoft needs to unload some of its cash. What better way to do it

than help provide advanced technology to the poor and marginal.

The poor and marginal have bigger problems than trying to run the latest and
greatest PC operating system.
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[Brian Tillman]

My believe is once you buy it, it should not have to do

anything else to use it period.

But you DIDN'T buy the software. You bought the RIGHT TO USE IT ON A SINGLE
COMPUTER. Read your documentation.
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[PCyr]

Just buy it from there and get it shipped to you ;-)

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[cary]

Or you might look at it then that the $45 would be a lot to a Thai
individual/company and that then pirating might be rampant in Thailand...
then why did MS have the XP activation removed if activation is supposed to
be a piracy deterent?

I don't disagree with MS and their rights to have activation... it just
seems to be inconsistant with their propoganda... ahh... marketing....

 

[Greg P Rozelle]

Sorry,

Jupiter Jones,
Articles like
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11058
should be more clear on that Fact.
I also didn't relize that Windows 95,98se, Me full version costed
about the same.

By reducing the price you sell more copies and make more money.

Look at the computer prices. Less computers were sold when they were
$1000 or More.

Now with computer being prices at $500 or less at wal-mart, they
can't keep them in stock. This is why you are getting complaints on
the cost from the average Joe. (I not complaining on the cost, but I
can see why people do.)

For you rich folks. To figure out what were talking about.
You Make $10,000
Os Full Version Cost $200

Now double each tell it reaches your income level.

Another thing people forgot they don't need to upgrade all their
computers. Then can even Network them together and it does not
violate the Eula.


Side Note-I did not agree with Orginal Poster.
He was rude in thet way he posted but I could see his point.



Greg Rozelle





Also,
As you can see according to the article that country uses a lot
of Linux Pcs.

Income in that country has gone up since 1995.



Sorry,
Greg

Greg;
Retail Windows XP Home is about $200 US, Pro about $300 US, about the
same cost since Windows 95.

The reduced cost you refer to is actually OEM.
OEM is not the same as retail price wise.

A more fair comparison is what does a LEGAL retail price of Windows XP
Home?

Take a look at this:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/prod...ype=19&dept=3944&path=0:3944:3951:41937:64213
This is also OEM, OEM are sold at reduced prices.
There is no way $200 US is for the OS alone on this computer.
OEM normally do not require activation.
OEM computers are available almost everywhere.
So there is a discount for Windows XP in this country as well.

The article in the Inquirer leaves much out..total cost of computer
system, what all is included etc.
Not to mention it is a totally unreliable source to begin with.
The economy in Thailand, Microsoft negotiations and many other things
are also major factors.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
http://dts-l.org/index.html

Disclaimer
My advice is as-is. It could trash your system.

 

[Sam Baker]

In my opinion they should change the license for retail copies of XP to
allow installing on a laptop computer in the same way as Office XP.
With Office OEM is licensed for the machine it is supplied with and Retail
is licensed for the purchaser to use on their desktop and laptop machine.
This is reasonable.

As it happens, my laptop came with windows XP, but if it hadn't I would
seriously begrudge paying again seeing as I paid retail price for for my
desktop's OS and I only use one machine at a time.

Sam

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Just buy it from there and get it shipped to you ;-)

Look at the story in more detail.
It is the Thai government selling PCs to its citizens - this is an OEM deal
(to the government only) and not a retail one

--
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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Or you might look at it then that the $45 would be a lot to a Thai
individual/company and that then pirating might be rampant in Thailand...
then why did MS have the XP activation removed if activation is supposed to
be a piracy deterent?

I don't disagree with MS and their rights to have activation... it just
seems to be inconsistant with their propoganda... ahh... marketing....

It depends on the definintion of "removal".

from my other post:-
"Product Activation in OEM versions of Windows and Office can be "removed"
from
the user perspective and is not visible to anyone, as we can use what is
often referred to as "BIOS Locked" in that the product does not need to
activate as it is locked to the BIOS of the PC it is installed to."

--
Regards,

Mike
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[PCyr]

:-( oh well

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1) Use a good quality anti-virus, and keep it up-to-date.
2) Use a firewall. The one in XP works fine, but there are better ones out
there.
3) Keep Windows up-to-date. It's your choice whether or not you want the
recommended updates, but the critical updates are just that - critical.
4) Beware of adware and spyware. There are many programs that will help to
protect your computer, but it's up to you to prevent it as well. Make sure
you read the agreement of the software before you install it. It should
tell you if it will be installing any additional programs.
5) Be cautious of attachments. Microsoft NEVER sends out attachments via
email. Always scan all attachments before opening them.

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
------------------

Just buy it from there and get it shipped to you ;-)

Look at the story in more detail.
It is the Thai government selling PCs to its citizens - this is an OEM deal
(to the government only) and not a retail one

--
Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups

Just buy it from there and get it shipped to you ;-)

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5 Steps to computer safety:
1) Use a good quality anti-virus, and keep it up-to-date.
2) Use a firewall. The one in XP works fine, but there are better ones out
there.
3) Keep Windows up-to-date. It's your choice whether or not you want the
recommended updates, but the critical updates are just that - critical.
4) Beware of adware and spyware. There are many programs that will

help

 

[Donald McDaniel]

The poor and marginal have bigger problems than trying to run the latest and
greatest PC operating system.

That really is an elitist attitude you have there, bud. You need to work on
it.

 

[Donald McDaniel]

Donald;
You are correct.
I mis-worded my statement.

You not only "mis-worded" your statement, you showed what is REALLY in your
heart: You, and others like you, really think you have the right to tell us
what our rights are or are not. Well, bud, be put on notice that the U.S.
Constitution tells us what our rights are.

But if you read it closer I never directed it specifically at you,
that is your own little twist of my words.

But you MEANT it to be directed to me, else you never would have said it.
Don't be a hypocrit on top of being an elitist.

Instead of "We have no right to say "Microsoft should immediately
lower the price of a license for XP Home to $49, so the average/low
income person can
afford it""

I should have said "Microsoft and any other business for that matter
has NO obligation to take our price suggestions"

Many in the world disagree with that attitude, my friend. It is however, the
attitude which seems to be taking over the minds and hearts of the people
here in the U.S. The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. The divide
between the rich and the poor gets wider and wider each year. Many today who
were in the Middle Class 10 years ago find themselves on the street because
of that attitude.

By the way, many believe that businesses DO have the obligation to take our
price suggestions into consideration. Capitalism without a heart is just as
evil as socialism without a heart.

Whether Microsoft "Gouges" or not may be a matter of opinion.
The fact is that Microsoft does make money.

Microsoft doesnt just "make money". Microsoft makes LOADS AND LOADS of
money. So much money it is almost obscene in the face of the poverty in the
United States and the Third World.

I am glad that we agree on the other points since you did not contest
them.

Lack of contest does not imply agreement.

However I would like an answer to my questions re-posted below for you
to answer:

If you are asking me, I will be glad to answer your questions.

"Where do you work?

I work for a non-profit Non-Governmental Agency.

Can I come in to your place of business and expect to get your
services at 25% what your business wants?

All you have to do is meet the criteria for our services, the fee for which
would not be charged to you.

I don't own a business(and the poor and marginal do not own businesses.
Perhaps they could get a start on the road to prosperity if they had advanced
computer skills using the latest OS).

I am paid barely above the Minimum Wage. 25% less would make me eligible for
Food Stamps. Big deal: I would get $60/month(or less, depending on my income)
to buy groceries with(and wouldn't be able to use them to purchase "TP" or
Laundry detergent). The normal Microsoftie probably spends that much money
every week buying Mochas for his friends.

Even 50% less for Microsoft employees would make them have to buy a Chevy
instead of a BMW or Infiniti, all of which are out of the question for the
poor and marginal in the U.S. Instead of having $40Billions in the bank,
Microsoft would only have $20billions. There aren't many, if any, businesses
in the entire world with either of those cash positions.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Donald;
Your first comment shows you for who you really are.
You have an agenda and you need to twist the meaning to suit your
desires.
I mis-stated and you refuse to accept the correction.
If your world is so perfect that no corrections can ever be made, it
makes for better understanding of your current attitude.

I said "...to take our price suggestions.." NOT "...to take your price
suggestions..." you should learn to read! That statement applies to
others as well.
You even twist what I correctly state, no wonder you have this
attitude.

Your name calling "hypocrit on top of being an elitist" is really the
final straw.
Name calling is the resort of those with positions they are otherwise
incapable of supporting.
Whether the position is supportable is not the issue, you have clearly
shown with your name calling that you are incapable.
When name calling is your strong point, there is nothing else left.

Good bye, respond only if you enjoy reading what you say.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/newsgroups/setup.asp
http://dts-l.org/index.html

You not only "mis-worded" your statement, you showed what is REALLY in your
heart: You, and others like you, really think you have the right to tell us
what our rights are or are not. Well, bud, be put on notice that the U.S.
Constitution tells us what our rights are.

But you MEANT it to be directed to me, else you never would have said it.
Don't be a hypocrit on top of being an elitist.

Snipped my statements and your garbage what ever it was!

 

[The Horny Goat]

In my opinion they should change the license for retail copies of XP to
allow installing on a laptop computer in the same way as Office XP.
With Office OEM is licensed for the machine it is supplied with and Retail
is licensed for the purchaser to use on their desktop and laptop machine.
This is reasonable.

I didn't get too upset about this until I received at my business the
flier for the "Small Business Site Licence Program" - which REALLY
made me happy until I saw the price for WinXP and Office XP - let's
just say the price Microsoft wanted was about 15-20$ *MORE* than my
local retailer sells for in a fairly price competitive market.

Sure it was a reasonable discount from LIST but no retailer around
here sells as 'suggested list'.

As things stand though it was a VERY good deal from Microsoft's point
of view - no real additional support or documentation, not even the
cost of additional CDs - just pure profit for the Boys and Girls of
Redmond.

(Meanwhile I have a close relative who is a VP for a corporation with
roughly 1000 PCs - software acquisition is part of her job - and I can
assure you she doesn't pay what you and I do...and guess what - they
don't get 1000 CDs either so the incremental cost to Microsoft for her
purchases is exactly what the incremental cost to Microsoft for mine)

 

[Papa]

And that is why computer hobbyist who build their own PCs are rapidly
disappearing. It's no longer cost effective. You can't possibly buy the
individual parts, plus the OS, for anything close to the price of a
commercially built system with the OS pre-installed. It was fun while it
lasted.

 

[PCyr]

Ya but what about the newbie? I /can/ build a computer, but I've never
actually gone out and bought the parts.

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Check out http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com for amazing tweaks and fixes

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5 Steps to computer safety:
1) Use a good quality anti-virus, and keep it up-to-date.
2) Use a firewall. The one in XP works fine, but there are better ones out
there.
3) Keep Windows up-to-date. It's your choice whether or not you want the
recommended updates, but the critical updates are just that - critical.
4) Beware of adware and spyware. There are many programs that will help to
protect your computer, but it's up to you to prevent it as well. Make sure
you read the agreement of the software before you install it. It should
tell you if it will be installing any additional programs.
5) Be cautious of attachments. Microsoft NEVER sends out attachments via
email. Always scan all attachments before opening them.

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
------------------