Monster Cables anyone using any any difference at all ??


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Son Of Sheep.

Monster Cables anyone using any any difference at all ??

iam thinking of getting some for my HD PC to HD Tv connection some
componet cables. Just want the best picture i can get. Not going to
get the REALy expensive cables just the 200 Aussie dollar ones.

Ive read that they work better with HD and you notice the qiality
colours sharpness much more with HD over SD.

If you think iam wrong let me know :)

Thanks.
 
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Ed Light

In the audio world, there are those who can hear differences in wire. In
reading reviews, I've seen that they don't necessarily favor expensive wire.
If a cheap wire sounds ok, they will say so.

There are those who say that, in effect, a rusty old tin wire and a
sophisticated hi-definition wire of pure copper will give the same results,
even over meters or distance. These will fight any other conclusion tooth
and nail as marketing hype, some in an inflammatory manner.

Personally, I have heard differences between common zip cord and value
priced speaker cable, and between small and medium gauge wire.

I'd recommend arranging to do a comparison test at a shop. This is the only
way to be sure about any purchase.

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Bob Myers

Ed Light said:
In the audio world, there are those who can hear differences in wire. In
reading reviews, I've seen that they don't necessarily favor expensive wire.
If a cheap wire sounds ok, they will say so.
Well, at least there are those who claim to be able to hear
such differences. I have always found it very interesting, though,
that all such claimed differences somehow vanish when the
comparison is performed under controlled/double-blind
conditions. Funny how that happens, isn't it?

Bob M.
 
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J. Clarke

Bob said:
Well, at least there are those who claim to be able to hear
such differences. I have always found it very interesting, though,
that all such claimed differences somehow vanish when the
comparison is performed under controlled/double-blind
conditions. Funny how that happens, isn't it?
"In twentieth century parapsychology laboratories there is the "observer
effect": Those described as gifted psychics find that their powers
diminish markedly whenever skeptics arrive, and disappear altogether in the
presence of a conjurer as skilled as James Randi."
--Carl Sagan,
"The Demon Haunted World"
 
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Fisher

Wire's wire. I've never heard of a double-blind test in which anybody could
tell a difference between Monster and other brands of cable. A classic
example of the triumph of marketing over truth.
A friend was getting RF interference from his cheap cable splitter and
buying a Monster splitter fixed the issue.

I used to have an expensive CD interconnect cable (not Monster - there
are better than Monster) and could hear the difference. And I don't
give a rat's arse what you think of my hearing capability either. The
sound was warmer with the expensive cable.
 
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J. Clarke

Fisher said:
A friend was getting RF interference from his cheap cable splitter and
buying a Monster splitter fixed the issue.
That's a splitter, not a cable. It has components in it other than copper
and insulation and the quality of those components can make a significant
difference in signal quality.
I used to have an expensive CD interconnect cable (not Monster - there
are better than Monster) and could hear the difference. And I don't
give a rat's arse what you think of my hearing capability either. The
sound was warmer with the expensive cable.
"CD interconnect cable"? Interconnecting the CD to _what_? Are you talking
about an audio patch cable or a Toslink cable or what?

Now, was that in a double-blind (you _do_ understand double-blind don't
you--neither you nor the guy conducting the test and figuring the results
knows which cable is which) A/B test, or did you just plug in your
overpriced piece of wire and notice "Oh, wow, the sound is warmer"? It is
not a matter of your "hearing capability" it is a matter of your
interpretation of what you hear.

Now, try it double-blind A/B or even better A/B/C/D with a piece of Monster
and the cheapest POS you can find just so you have a range of cable
performance and make sure that the guy flipping the switch and tallying the
results knows to not flip it every time. I think you'll be surprised at
the results.
 
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Bob Myers

Fisher said:
example of the triumph of marketing over truth.

A friend was getting RF interference from his cheap cable splitter and
buying a Monster splitter fixed the issue.

I used to have an expensive CD interconnect cable (not Monster - there
are better than Monster) and could hear the difference. And I don't
give a rat's arse what you think of my hearing capability either. The
sound was warmer with the expensive cable.
Fine, but then no one really is arguing with the notion that
swapping cables might make an audible difference; the real
issue is that (a) what difference may be there almost certainly
does NOT come about as a result of the "advantages"
generally claimed by the Expensive Cables bunch, and (b)
whatever improvements there are to be had can be obtained
with some very ordinary, inexpensive materials/components.

This is separate from the question of just how much difference
"really" is there (as opposed to being due to the placebo effect),
but that question also remains a very valid one.

Bob M.
 
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Fisher

That's a splitter, not a cable. It has components in it other than copper
and insulation and the quality of those components can make a significant
difference in signal quality.
It's all about quality of insualtion and pathing.

"CD interconnect cable"? Interconnecting the CD to _what_? Are you talking
about an audio patch cable or a Toslink cable or what?
Are you stupid or what? If you did a quick search on Google you would
have found out that the term I used is quite common in the audio field
and you would have got your answer. Because you are stupid the rest of
your post doesn't warrant an answer.
 
F

Fisher

Fine, but then no one really is arguing with the notion that
swapping cables might make an audible difference; the real
issue is that (a) what difference may be there almost certainly
does NOT come about as a result of the "advantages"
generally claimed by the Expensive Cables bunch, and (b)
whatever improvements there are to be had can be obtained
with some very ordinary, inexpensive materials/components.

This is separate from the question of just how much difference
"really" is there (as opposed to being due to the placebo effect),
but that question also remains a very valid one.

Bob M.
People like you are the same type of people that buy the cheap
Japanese amps and say they all sound the same and are as good as the
esoteric expensive amps. You are a waste of my time.
 
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Bob Myers

Fisher said:
It's all about quality of insualtion and pathing.
Not at all. The quality of a splitter is dominated by the other factors
mentioned by Mr. Clarke. You would be well advised to gain a
better understanding of electrical interconnects before commenting
further.
Are you stupid or what? If you did a quick search on Google you would
have found out that the term I used is quite common in the audio field
and you would have got your answer. Because you are stupid the rest of
your post doesn't warrant an answer.
That you would consider someone to be "stupid" merely because
they asked a needed question - based on YOUR narrow understanding
of a very broad term - may indicate that your post doesn't warrant an
answer, but I'll continue nonetheless.

The fact that a given phrase - in this case "CD interconnect" - is used
by some segment of the lay public to refer only to one specific item
doesn't mean that this same phrase can't have a much broader
meaning within the technical community. A Toslink cable, used,
for example, to connect a CD players to an external DAC unit
or other such equipment clearly is also a case of a "CD interconnect"
usage. You can hardly be upset with someone because your own
usage of a term is sloppy.

Bob M.
 
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Bob Myers

Fisher said:
People like you are the same type of people that buy the cheap
Japanese amps and say they all sound the same and are as good as the
esoteric expensive amps. You are a waste of my time.
Amazing how you have this ability to infer someone else's
buying and listening habits from a few statements regarding
well-known factors in the industry. Have you considered
taking James Randi up on his $1M "psychic challenge"?

What, specifically, in my earlier posting did you disagree
with? And assuming there IS something you find incorrect,
could you please demonstrate precisely how it is in error?

Bob M.
 
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J. Clarke

Fisher said:
It's all about quality of insualtion and pathing.
Not with a splitter it isn't.
Are you stupid or what? If you did a quick search on Google you would
have found out that the term I used is quite common in the audio field
and you would have got your answer. Because you are stupid the rest of
your post doesn't warrant an answer.
I see. So you use a term in a nonstandard way--if you meant an audio patch
cable you should have said so.

But you're right, I'm stupid. Anybody who does anything to an advocate of
Monster cable and the like other than plonk them is a fool.
 
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Ed Light

Boy, I predicted flames at the start of this thread.

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Ed Light

Son Of Sheep. said:
SHUT UP U TWO ****TARDS.
Oops - more flames.


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Fisher

The fact that a given phrase - in this case "CD interconnect" - is used
by some segment of the lay public to refer only to one specific item
doesn't mean that this same phrase can't have a much broader
meaning within the technical community. A Toslink cable, used,
for example, to connect a CD players to an external DAC unit
or other such equipment clearly is also a case of a "CD interconnect"
usage. You can hardly be upset with someone because your own
usage of a term is sloppy.

Bob M.
**** you loser. Top search on Google for "cd interconnect".

http://www.stereophile.com/
 
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J. Clarke

Bob said:
Yes, THERE'S a reasoned response for you...
This thread finally pushed me offcenter to killfile any post which contains
the F-word on the basis that anyone whose conversational range is limited
to what Tom Wolfe described as the "f- patois" doesn't have anything to say
that I particularly care about hearing.
 
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Fisher!

This thread finally pushed me offcenter to killfile any post which contains
the F-word on the basis that anyone whose conversational range is limited
to what Tom Wolfe described as the "f- patois" doesn't have anything to say
that I particularly care about hearing.
Whatever, tosspot.
 
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