modem question and modem string wanted

[Greg]

modem question and modem string wanted

Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same
time?

I have a dual boot system.

98se and xp.

98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx
cirrus logic)

Windows xp does not.

However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card.
I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will
recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick


As far as the string wanted

For 98se
What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection
speed, not the port speed.


Greg

 

[98 Guy]

Greg wrote:

(...)

You have a motherboard with ISA slots. You are running XP on said
computer.

You are indicating that you have internet access via dial-up modem.

You are one hurting unit.

Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured this
decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.

 

[Greg]

Greg wrote:

(...)

You have a motherboard with ISA slots. You are running XP on said
computer.

You are indicating that you have internet access via dial-up modem.

You are one hurting unit.

Do yourself a favor and get a computer that was manufactured this
decade, and subscribe to a broad-band internet service.

My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory, because of tech broke
one the plastic plug. It can only handle 256 mb stick at the most.
The stick order does not matter, from what I have read.

My computer was a business system built by Compaq and was giving to
me, when the business upgraded to xp.

However, this system has 2 isa slots. 5 pci slots
2 on board 1.1 USB slot

1 pci slot is using a ragepro pci graphic card.
1 pci slot is using a usb 2.0 pci card
1 pci slot is for a pci modem that went bad I order another one.
1 pci using is used for a Network Adapter
1 pcl slot empty (This maybe a AGP slot, not sure)
1 ISA slot is used for an E1868 ISA sound card
1 ISA slot is used for an cl-md56xx cirrus modem currently.
5 bay drive (Never could get a second hard drive or a second cd drive
to work correctly).


I have been running xp and 98se for a long while.

Xp is a little slow, but that because of my memory. That does not
bug me. I am used to slow systems.

As far is getting a computer, do you want to send me $500.00 walmart
gift card? I am kidding of course. I will be glad to get a
computer if you did that. I still would have to buy a USB modem and
install a floppy drive.


My system I would love to have
Would be W7 (I hate the new desktop and start menu, that is a turn
off) or Vista
With a floppy drive, DVD/cdrw burner drive

Access to the Bios menu needed. So, I can choose the boot order.

One site said xp does not have ISA bus. If that was the case, my
ISA sound card wouldn't work.

The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay my bills.



Greg

 

[98 Guy]

As evidenced recently some of our more rural cousins do not have
the luxury of broadband access.

Evidence points to lack of spending $$$ and not necessarily lack of
broadband coverage, as indicated by running XP on ancient hardware.

 

[98 Guy]

My computer can handle up 500 mb of memory,

Even PC's made 10 years ago can handle 512 mb memory. Doesn't mean
their suitable for XP.

CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such
ancient hardware.

And you're only running with 256 mb to boot.

Like I said, do yourself a favor and get newer hardware.

And messing with modems these days is just nonsense.

However, this system has 2 isa slots. 5 pci slots
2 on board 1.1 USB slot

Not even AGP?

And USB 1.1?

(shakes my head)

Xp is a little slow, but that because of my memory.

Trust me. It's slow mainly because of your CPU.

If you had a P4 or even a Celeron running 2 or 3 ghz, then I'd say your
256 mb ram is the problem.

What do you have - a Pentium 1 running at 133 mhz? Maybe a P-2 running
at 250 mhz?

As far is getting a computer, do you want to send me
$500.00 walmart gift card? I am kidding of course.
I will be glad to get a computer if you did that.

Go to one of those discount / surplus tech stores and pick up a
5-year-old HP or IBM PC that just came off lease from a call center for
$150.

I still would have to buy a USB modem and

USB modem? (shakes head again)

One site said xp does not have ISA bus.

XP can handle ISA bus cards just fine. Just don't expect hardware
auto-detection.

The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay
my bills.

Win-98 runs flash-9 no problem, and flash-10 if you know what you're
doing.

Adobe is still supporting flash-9.

 

[Greg]

Even PC's made 10 years ago can handle 512 mb memory. Doesn't mean
their suitable for XP.

CPU speed and internal cache are important if we're dealing with such
ancient hardware.

And you're only running with 256 mb to boot.

I am actual running with less memory than that. I am not much of a
gamer. I use it mainly for paying bills, newsgroups, forums,
shopping, TV guide (Titan.com)

My computer CPU is P3 running at 500 mhz

on the pci slots maybe be an AGP slot.



Greg

 

[John Dulak]

Greg wrote:
<Snip

As far is getting a computer, do you want to send me $500.00 walmart
gift card?

Greg

Greg:

While I sympathize with your low cost philosophy ( I have several PI
~300 Mhz machines) $500 is gross overkill for a much more capable
system. Refurbished business class machines can be had for absurdly
low prices these days.

Look Here:

http://www.electrocomputerwarehouse.com/shopexd.asp?id=326

HTH & GL

John


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[Ken Blake, MVP]

I am actual running with less memory than that. I am not much of a
gamer. I use it mainly for paying bills, newsgroups, forums,
shopping, TV guide (Titan.com)

If you have less than 256MB, you have less RAM than most people need
for adequate performance. But you reinforce the view that how much
memory you need depends on what apps you run.

 

[thanatoid]

The only reason I got xp, is so I can use flash to pay my
bills.

I believe javascript is used for such transactions, and not
always - I can use PayPal with the OffByOne browser which does
not do either javascript or flash.

Opera10USB runs flash9 perfectly on 98SE. AND javascript.

 

[Greg]

I believe javascript is used for such transactions, and not
always - I can use PayPal with the OffByOne browser which does
not do either javascript or flash.

Opera10USB runs flash9 perfectly on 98SE. AND javascript.

I read paypal is/was going to restrict browsers and some operating
systems. It caused Versign to issue a greenbrowers plug in for
firefox. I think paypal delayed because of the Linux and Mac crowd.
It would cause major problems with them.


Greg

 

[Greg]

modem question and modem string wanted

Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same
time?

I have a dual boot system.

98se and xp.

Sure, note that both will take a comm port, so it would be best to
disable any onboard comm ports via BIOS. You may have conflicts which
might take some manual configuration in 9X.

98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx
cirrus logic)

Windows xp does not.

However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card.
I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will
recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick


As far as the string wanted

For 98se
What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection
speed, not the port speed.


Greg

ISA isn't directly addressed in XP, and the modem may not "talk"
properly to XP for it to be installed [requiring XP drivers]. If you're
interested look for how to get ISA to work properly, and for an XP
driver for the ISA modem. Note, however, that this modem doesn't seem to
work in XP [or well from what I have found], its a softmodem.

The cl-md56xx Cirrus modem is an EARLY implementation of a Win-modem
[controllerless] meaning it is a SOFTWARE modem [and works better with
the 6.04 or later firmware upgrade, and many were under product
recall]. It also uses Cirrus Logic's special set of AT commands, so
standard Hayes commands may not work properly.

I just ordered a modem again. This time, I made sure it would have
drivers for both 98se and xp.

I think the only way xp would recognize it, is to do a reinstall or
repair install of xp.


I think you might be write about the com ports.

98se
Com port 1 (Maybe the mouse)
Com port 2 (ISA modem)
Com port 3 (maybe it was used for the old pci modem)

Xp
Com port 1 (Maybe the mouse)
Com port 2 (Unknown)

AT+M0,S22 (Put this in the extra modem settings)

I think the S code forces to show the connection speed, not the port
speed. Not sure if I remember if that is correct.




To all,
Does it hurt to have an ISA modem and a PCI modem installed at the
same time? I would like to keep it installed for Puppy Linux.





Greg

 

[MEB]

modem question and modem string wanted

Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same
time?

I have a dual boot system.

98se and xp.

Sure, note that both will take a comm port, so it would be best to
disable any onboard comm ports via BIOS. You may have conflicts which
might take some manual configuration in 9X.

98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx
cirrus logic)

Windows xp does not.

However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card.
I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will
recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick


As far as the string wanted

For 98se
What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection
speed, not the port speed.


Greg

ISA isn't directly addressed in XP, and the modem may not "talk"
properly to XP for it to be installed [requiring XP drivers]. If you're
interested look for how to get ISA to work properly, and for an XP
driver for the ISA modem. Note, however, that this modem doesn't seem to
work in XP [or well from what I have found], its a softmodem.

The cl-md56xx Cirrus modem is an EARLY implementation of a Win-modem
[controllerless] meaning it is a SOFTWARE modem [and works better with
the 6.04 or later firmware upgrade, and many were under product
recall]. It also uses Cirrus Logic's special set of AT commands, so
standard Hayes commands may not work properly.

I just ordered a modem again. This time, I made sure it would have
drivers for both 98se and xp.

I think the only way xp would recognize it, is to do a reinstall or
repair install of xp.

It may not have, even then...

I think you might be write about the com ports.

98se
Com port 1 (Maybe the mouse)
Com port 2 (ISA modem)
Com port 3 (maybe it was used for the old pci modem)

Is it a serial mouse, then yes. If a PS2 then no.

Xp
Com port 1 (Maybe the mouse)
Com port 2 (Unknown)

AT+M0,S22 (Put this in the extra modem settings)

No comma, all commands are to be placed in one long string. The comma
is generally a pause command.

So the init string may look like ATF0V1X4&K3E1M0W1&Q4\N3S46=138&W1 - etc.

I think the S code forces to show the connection speed, not the port
speed. Not sure if I remember if that is correct.

S22 - Speaker/Results Bit Mapped Options
Indicates the status of command options.
Default:
117 (75h) (01110101b)

Bit 0,1 - Speaker volume (Ln)
0 Off (L0)
1 Low (L1) (Default.)
2 Medium (L2)
3 High (L3)
Bit 2,3 - Speaker control (Mn)
0 Disabled (M0)
1 Off on carrier (M1) (Default.)
2 Always on (M2)
3 On during handshake (M3)
Bit 4,5,6 - Limit result codes (Xn)
0 X0
4 X1
5 X2
6 X3
7 X4 (Default.)
Bit 7 - Reserved

S95 - Extended Result Codes
The bits in this register can be set to override some of the Wn command
options. A bit set to a 1 in this register will enable the corresponding
result code regardless of the Wn setting. Also, refer to Table 3-1.
Default:
0

Bit 0 CONNECT result code indicates DCE speed
instead of DTE speed.
Bit 1 Append/ARQ to CONNECT XXXX result code in
error-correction mode (XXXX = rate; see Table 3-1).
Bit 2 Enable CARRIER XXXX result code (XXXX = rate;
see Table 3-1).
Bit 3 Enable PROTOCOL XXXX result code (XXXX = protocol
identifier; see Table 3-1).
Bit 4 Reserved.
Bit 5 Enable COMPRESSION result code (XXXX = compression
type; see Table 3-1).
Bit 6 Reserved.
Bit 7 Reserved

To all,
Does it hurt to have an ISA modem and a PCI modem installed at the
same time? I would like to keep it installed for Puppy Linux.

Greg

Answered already. I used to run two myself, one for regular usage,
another for dedicated Fax services [two line system] or with a single
line [the USR Sportster Fax/Data 14400 for faxes as it tended to connect
better with all the fax machines and modems].
Note: you *may* have to disable some of the features or split them
between the two internal modems. You can't (or shouldn't) have a single
line and run two programs using two separate modems at the same time.
BOTH may try to answer, or the Fax/Data signaling [monitoring] may
interfere with the other program [even though they are on separate comm
ports]. Most comm programs have the option to choose which device you
want to use, so pick which one when starting.
Its MUCH easier to use an internal and external [turn off when not in use].

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[Franc Zabkar]

modem question and modem string wanted

Is it ok to have an isa modem and pci modem installed at the same
time?

I have a dual boot system.

98se and xp.

98se and puppy Linux live cd does recognize my ISA modem (cl-md56xx
cirrus logic)

The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, others had
a hardware controller.

See http://www.modemsite.com/56K/intel.asp

Does your modem have jumpers? Does it have RAM (61xxx or 62xxx) and
EPROM/EEPROM (27xxx or 29xxx) chips?

Windows xp does not.

However, xp does recognize the ESS 1868 ISA sound card.
I hope that does not mean, I have to reinstall XP, so it will
recognize my modem. I did try the standard modem trick


As far as the string wanted

For 98se
What is the string to mute the modem volume and show the connection
speed, not the port speed.

W2 should show the DCE speed.

The speaker control commands should be generic Hayes, ie Mn and Ln.

Here is an archived library of AT commands:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020406165215/http://vee90.net/gen_atcmd.html

Ambient/Intel/Cirrus Logic MD56XX 56k:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020808015444/http://vee90.net/atcom/md56xxdb.pdf

Ambient/Intel/Cirrus Logic MD562X 56k:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020808015444/http://vee90.net/atcom/md562Xpg.pdf


- Franc Zabkar

 

[MEB]

The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless, others had
a hardware controller.

See http://www.modemsite.com/56K/intel.asp

Does your modem have jumpers? Does it have RAM (61xxx or 62xxx) and
EPROM/EEPROM (27xxx or 29xxx) chips?


W2 should show the DCE speed.

The speaker control commands should be generic Hayes, ie Mn and Ln.

Here is an archived library of AT commands:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020406165215/http://vee90.net/gen_atcmd.html

Ambient/Intel/Cirrus Logic MD56XX 56k:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020808015444/http://vee90.net/atcom/md56xxdb.pdf

Ambient/Intel/Cirrus Logic MD562X 56k:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020808015444/http://vee90.net/atcom/md562Xpg.pdf


- Franc Zabkar

Good info Franc... being it was an ISA not PCI I provided the AT
commands to obtain the information to identify the particular device,
chipset, and other information.

The ISA information I found appeared to claim this was a software
modem, though that appears potentially wrong according to the webarchive
link, as well as my indication of non-standard command set. Hmm, I
should have dug a little deeper.

The other information and commands seem to be correct.

Thanks Franc.

 

[98 Guy]

The xx is important. Some 56xx modems were controllerless,
others had a hardware controller.

I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless.

The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board
processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to
controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems).

The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the
ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a
controller-less modem.

 

[98 Guy]

Amount of RAM is far more important.

Sorry. You can't simply dismiss CPU type or clock speed and say it's
less important than installed ram.

If you optimize XP (remove a lot of running services and do a few other
things) then you can run XP on 256 mb. It helps if you have a fast hard
drive and controller, and AGP-4x or faster video.

But the CPU can be a show-stopper even with 512 mb or 1 gb of memory.

I don't care how much ram you have - XP on anything less than an 800 mh
P-3 will be a dog.

And it doesn't matter if it's Sp1 or SP2 or SP3. There is no real
difference in speed of SP1 compared to SP2:

http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-237-7.htm

Most analysis of SP2 vs SP3 indicate that SP3 is noticably faster:

http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2007/11/windows-xp-sp3-yields-performance-gains.html

I agree, 256M isn't really enough for XP though, especially SP2 or 3.

I'm not sure if SP2 or SP3 is *more* sensitive (performance-wise) to low
installed ram compared to SP1.

You don't need AGP. (Or even PCI, though I don't know if XP knows
about ISA when it comes to graphics cards.)

Anyone running XP, or even Win-98, on an ISA video card is truly a
dinosaur.

The last time I had an ISA video card I was running wfwg 3.11. I don't
think I ever ran Win-95 on an ISA video card.

The way I see it, AGP should be COMMON, practically a given for people
still running win-98 today, or at any time during the past 8 years.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Sorry. You can't simply dismiss CPU type or clock speed and say it's
less important than installed ram.

If you optimize XP (remove a lot of running services and do a few other
things) then you can run XP on 256 mb. It helps if you have a fast hard
drive and controller, and AGP-4x or faster video.

But the CPU can be a show-stopper even with 512 mb or 1 gb of memory.

I don't care how much ram you have - XP on anything less than an 800 mh
P-3 will be a dog.

Sorry, but I disagree with both of you. What hardware you need for
acceptable performance depends very greatly on what apps you run.

My wife is a perfect example. She used to run Windows XP on an
extremely low-power machine--a 400MHz CPU with 256MB of RAM. She was
completely satisfied with its performance and turned me down whenever
I proposed upgrading it for her.

Why was she satisfied with such a low-power machine? Because all she
did was e-mail, an occasional web search, and solitaire (and *very*
occasionally created a simple word processing document). And I know
several other people with very light computer use who are also
satisfied with low-power machines.

 

[Greg]

Sorry, but I disagree with both of you. What hardware you need for
acceptable performance depends very greatly on what apps you run.

My wife is a perfect example. She used to run Windows XP on an
extremely low-power machine--a 400MHz CPU with 256MB of RAM. She was
completely satisfied with its performance and turned me down whenever
I proposed upgrading it for her.

Why was she satisfied with such a low-power machine? Because all she
did was e-mail, an occasional web search, and solitaire (and *very*
occasionally created a simple word processing document). And I know
several other people with very light computer use who are also
satisfied with low-power machines.

I agree.

The reason for a PCI graphic card, was my onboard video card was
acting up. (I know it is a sign of my motherboard going bad. I
just hope it can hold up tell tax time).

I really like this system.


Greg

 

[Greg]

I'm fairly certain that _no_ ISA-based modems were controllerless.

The best modems were in fact ISA-based, because they always had on-board
processors and did all the communication work themselves, as opposed to
controller-less modems (which as a rule were are all PCI-based modems).

The OP is advised to remove the PCI modem and get XP to recognize the
ISA modem. His anemic system doesn't need extra load of dealing with a
controller-less modem.

Controller-less modems work fine. It is the ISA modem that does not
in xp. I tried everything (Short of reinstalling xp). xp didn't
reorganized the modem.

My system is a Compaq desktop ep pro series



Greg

 

[98 Guy]

The reason for a PCI graphic card, was my onboard video card
was acting up. (I know it is a sign of my motherboard going
bad. I just hope it can hold up tell tax time).

What motherboard with ISA slots has on-board video???