missing srv records from child domain

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scuba_jeff

we recently changed ip address's for the parent domain and all seemed
to be working fine, communication and replication from parent
(Northville.com) to child (termnial.northville.com) users were able to
log in to either domain and share resources like their supposed to.
yesterday we get a call from a user who cannot log int a server in the
parent domain with her child domain login id, error is system cannot
log you in because domain TERMINAL is not avaible- but users form the
parent CAN login into the child servers.

To make a long story kinda short in the parent domains DNS records
there are no SRV recordes for the child domain and dynamic updates ot
the parent have stopped?

the servers still apper in ad sites and servers.
the child domain is located on the other side of a wan but in the same
site

any clue where to turn would be helpful

jeff
 
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Ace Fekay [MVP]

In
scuba_jeff said:
we recently changed ip address's for the parent domain and all seemed
to be working fine, communication and replication from parent
(Northville.com) to child (termnial.northville.com) users were able to
log in to either domain and share resources like their supposed to.
yesterday we get a call from a user who cannot log int a server in the
parent domain with her child domain login id, error is system cannot
log you in because domain TERMINAL is not avaible- but users form the
parent CAN login into the child servers.

To make a long story kinda short in the parent domains DNS records
there are no SRV recordes for the child domain and dynamic updates ot
the parent have stopped?

the servers still apper in ad sites and servers.
the child domain is located on the other side of a wan but in the same
site

any clue where to turn would be helpful

jeff

What was the latest thing that was changed prior to this, say in the past 3
weeks? Maybe SP4 installed?

We'll need more info on your topology and your DCs, and if you have any
delegations.

Some things to look for when SRVs are missing and it was working, but now
it's not and you just changed IP addresses.....

1. Use of your ISP's DNS in your machines' (DCs and clients) IP properties.
Can't use them.
2. SIngle label DNS domain name and SP4.
3. Wrong IP for DNS address...
4. DNS server listening on wrong IP
5. Check nameserver tab to insure you properly changed to the new IPs




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Regards,
Ace

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Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory
 
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scuba_jeff

Ace Fekay said:
In

What was the latest thing that was changed prior to this, say in the past 3
weeks? Maybe SP4 installed?

We'll need more info on your topology and your DCs, and if you have any
delegations.

Some things to look for when SRVs are missing and it was working, but now
it's not and you just changed IP addresses.....

1. Use of your ISP's DNS in your machines' (DCs and clients) IP properties.
Can't use them.
2. SIngle label DNS domain name and SP4.
3. Wrong IP for DNS address...
4. DNS server listening on wrong IP
5. Check nameserver tab to insure you properly changed to the new IPs




--
Regards,
Ace

Please direct all replies to the newsgroup so all can benefit.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties.

Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory

I have a parentdomain with 3 domain controllers (northville.com) and a
child domain with 2 domain controllers (terminal.northville.com)

Here are the answers to your questions

1. Use of your ISP's DNS in your machines' (DCs and clients) IP
properties.

Not using them , child domain controllers dns primary points to it
self the secondary to the parent domain controller. the names can be
resolved from child to to parent and user can log in from child to
parent not from parent TO child

2. SIngle label DNS domain name and SP4.

NO , fully qualified domains - northville.com and
terminal.northville.com sp3 on all dc's

3. Wrong IP for DNS address...

I can ping the servers by Name

4. DNS server listening on wrong IP

Dns set to listen on all address by default

5. Check nameserver tab to insure you properly changed to the new IPs

checked already

all tests pass on dcdiag
here are the results form netdiag on a child domain controller

All tests passed here is relevent info, dns test is reflecting my
problem
but the entrys never register. I ran ipconfig /registerdns and stopped
and restarted netlogon on child doman controller but no help. I am
leary of doing it to the parent domain controller as i dont want
anything to get worse


Netcard queries test . . . : Passed

Host Name. . . . . . . . . : HOLTSVDC01
IP Address . . . . . . . . : 192.168.114.5
Subnet Mask. . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway. . . . . . : 192.168.114.6
Dns Servers. . . . . . . . : 192.168.114.5
192.168.100.10

DNS test . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Passed
PASS - All the DNS entries for DC are registered on DNS server
'192.168.114.
5' and other DCs also have some of the names registered.
[WARNING] The DNS entries for this DC are not registered correctly
on DNS se
rver '192.168.100.10'. Please wait for 30 minutes for DNS server
replication.
 
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Kevin D. Goodknecht [MVP]

In scuba_jeff <[email protected]> posted a question
Then Kevin replied below:
: "Ace Fekay [MVP]"
: message :: In :: scuba_jeff <[email protected]> posted their thoughts, then I offered
:: mine
::: we recently changed ip address's for the parent domain and all
::: seemed to be working fine, communication and replication from parent
::: (Northville.com) to child (termnial.northville.com) users were able
::: to log in to either domain and share resources like their supposed
::: to. yesterday we get a call from a user who cannot log int a server
::: in the parent domain with her child domain login id, error is
::: system cannot log you in because domain TERMINAL is not avaible-
::: but users form the parent CAN login into the child servers.
:::
::: To make a long story kinda short in the parent domains DNS records
::: there are no SRV recordes for the child domain and dynamic updates
::: ot the parent have stopped?
:::
::: the servers still apper in ad sites and servers.
::: the child domain is located on the other side of a wan but in the
::: same site
:::
::: any clue where to turn would be helpful
:::
::: jeff
::
:: What was the latest thing that was changed prior to this, say in the
:: past 3 weeks? Maybe SP4 installed?
::
:: We'll need more info on your topology and your DCs, and if you have
:: any delegations.
::
:: Some things to look for when SRVs are missing and it was working,
:: but now it's not and you just changed IP addresses.....
::
:: 1. Use of your ISP's DNS in your machines' (DCs and clients) IP
:: properties. Can't use them.
:: 2. SIngle label DNS domain name and SP4.
:: 3. Wrong IP for DNS address...
:: 4. DNS server listening on wrong IP
:: 5. Check nameserver tab to insure you properly changed to the new IPs
::
::
::
::
:: --
:: Regards,
:: Ace
::
:: Please direct all replies to the newsgroup so all can benefit.
:: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties.
::
:: Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
:: Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory
:
: I have a parentdomain with 3 domain controllers (northville.com) and a
: child domain with 2 domain controllers (terminal.northville.com)
:
: Here are the answers to your questions
:
: 1. Use of your ISP's DNS in your machines' (DCs and clients) IP
: properties.
:
: Not using them , child domain controllers dns primary points to it
: self the secondary to the parent domain controller. the names can be
: resolved from child to to parent and user can log in from child to
: parent not from parent TO child
:
: 2. SIngle label DNS domain name and SP4.
:
: NO , fully qualified domains - northville.com and
: terminal.northville.com sp3 on all dc's
:
: 3. Wrong IP for DNS address...
:
: I can ping the servers by Name
:
: 4. DNS server listening on wrong IP
:
: Dns set to listen on all address by default
:
: 5. Check nameserver tab to insure you properly changed to the new IPs
:
: checked already
:
: all tests pass on dcdiag
: here are the results form netdiag on a child domain controller
:
: All tests passed here is relevent info, dns test is reflecting my
: problem
: but the entrys never register. I ran ipconfig /registerdns and stopped
: and restarted netlogon on child doman controller but no help. I am
: leary of doing it to the parent domain controller as i dont want
: anything to get worse
:
:
: Netcard queries test . . . : Passed
:
: Host Name. . . . . . . . . : HOLTSVDC01
: IP Address . . . . . . . . : 192.168.114.5
: Subnet Mask. . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
: Default Gateway. . . . . . : 192.168.114.6
: Dns Servers. . . . . . . . : 192.168.114.5
: 192.168.100.10
:
: DNS test . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Passed
: PASS - All the DNS entries for DC are registered on DNS server
: '192.168.114.
: 5' and other DCs also have some of the names registered.
: [WARNING] The DNS entries for this DC are not registered correctly
: on DNS se
: rver '192.168.100.10'. Please wait for 30 minutes for DNS server
: replication.

On the Parent DNS in the northville.com zone create a delegation named
terminal then point that delegation to the names and IP addresses of the
Child DNS servers.
The child DNS server should have a forwarder to the parent DNS and the box
"Do not use recursion" should have a check in it.
 
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Ace Fekay [MVP]

In
Kevin D. Goodknecht said:
On the Parent DNS in the northville.com zone create a delegation named
terminal then point that delegation to the names and IP addresses of
the Child DNS servers.
The child DNS server should have a forwarder to the parent DNS and
the box "Do not use recursion" should have a check in it.

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Best regards,
Kevin D4 Dad Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]
Hope This Helps
============================

I agree a delegation is the proper way to get this to work....don't forget,
and just to solidify this fact (as you said Kevin) forward to the ISP from
the parent DNS server (and not the child). Child ONLY forward to the parent.

More info for the poster....
255248 - HOW TO Create a Child Domain in Active Directory and Delegate the
DNS Namespace to the Child Domain:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=255248




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Regards,
Ace

Please direct all replies to the newsgroup so all can benefit.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties.

Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory
 

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