Minimize should mean minimize

[CMM]

Tell me how many corporate users you've surveyed to enable you to make
this assertion. No matter how many that is, it's still anecdotal evidence
which proces nothing.

Sure. Experience means nothing. OK.

But you LIKE it when Windows Messgenger or your little MP3 player does the
same thing? "A foolish inconsistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

Actually it's consistency that I'm clamoring for. None of those apps
"Minimize to the tray." Do you even
use these programs to know what I'm talking about?

 

[Brian Tillman]

At end of day, you're supposed to log off. So of course Outlook is
going to close. That's not what I'm talking about. You folks are
missing the point.

Actually, I hope people don't do that. It can adversely affect the PST if
that's being used.

 

[Brian Tillman]

Actually it's consistency that I'm clamoring for. None of those apps
"Minimize to the tray." Do you even
use these programs to know what I'm talking about?

Well, maybe not the exact same ones you do, but some similar ones. The
biggest gripe I have about Windows Messenger, for example, is that it
doesn't exit when I press Close. Stupid. "Close" should absolutely mean
"close", not "pretend you've closed, but keep running."

 

[CMM]

Close, means "Close window" not application. Obviously GUI conventions are
lost on you.

When I close the Volume window, the icon doesn't disappear from the tray.
When I close the Select Network window the WiFi icon doesn't disappear from
the tray. It doesn't matter if you deem Outlook an application and all these
others "lesser" utilities. If I'm a sound engineer and I spend all day in
the Volume window, obviously it's an "application" to me.

What it boils down to is notification area usage is notification area usage.
And it should be consistent across all apps. If you like the "Hide when
Minimize" notification area usage (Outlook 2003) versus the more common
"Allow to run in background" notification are usage (everything other tray
app) that's fine... I can understand. Yahoo Messenger, for instance, offers
both options... but, the latter is the default. Obviously, because it's the
more common convention.

P.S. Your problem with Windows Messenger is easy to solve. Turn off "Allow
Windows Messenger to run in the backgound" in Tools | Options.

 

[CMM]

Actually, I hope people don't do that. It can adversely affect the PST if

that's being used.

How does logging off "adversely affect the PST?" That's absolutely not true.
You actually believe that? Boy, I hope you're not some sort of IT
professional. Because this is plain numskull thinking. Even if Outlook were
running at the time of log-off, Outlook shuts down just fine... like every
other app. Windows doesn't just kill every process that the user is running.
It sends them the same exact wm_close type message that the user does when
they click X. If they don't shut down, Windows doesn't log-off or shutdown
either.

 

[Ben M. Schorr - MVP]

When Outlook 2003 is set to be accessed via the tray, it does not work in
the standard way that all other apps do it. You can say it a million times
and it's still not true.

....which is still not the default. I think we've pretty much exhausted
this.

You want Outlook to behave differently from how it presently does and
differently from how every other Office app does but you insist that your
idea is the "standard." At the same time you acknowledge that the way it
works now already does what you want it to do and that the real issue here
is that you keep accidentally closing Outlook by clicking the "X" in the
window controls, which, is the standard way to close just about every other
application.

Like I said, this sounds like a training issue to me.

Aloha,

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, OneNote-MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
Microsoft Outlook FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/outlook.htm

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Please post questions and replies here in the newsgroup. Mahalo!

 

[Ben M. Schorr - MVP]

Close, means "Close window" not application. Obviously GUI conventions are
lost on you.

The X in the top right corner of the window closes, and by that I mean
exits, nearly every Windows application there is.

P.S. Your problem with Windows Messenger is easy to solve. Turn off "Allow
Windows Messenger to run in the backgound" in Tools | Options.

Your problem with Outlook is easy to solve -- stop clicking the X in the top
right corner if you don't want Outlook to exit.

Aloha,

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, OneNote-MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
Microsoft Outlook FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/outlook.htm

**I apologize but I am unable to respond to direct requests for assistance.
Please post questions and replies here in the newsgroup. Mahalo!

 

[CMM]

You want Outlook to behave differently from how it presently does and
differently from how every other Office app does but you insist that your
idea is the "standard." At the same time you acknowledge that the way it
<snip>

Well, my friend, Outlook 2003 always puts its presense in the tray
(ALWAYS... whether Hide When Minimized is On or not). That is "different"
than every other "Office app"....... AND it doesn't behave like any other
"tray app" to boot. I say, if an app is going to have a tray icon, then it
should behave like every other application that does the same. That's all.

 

[Brian Tillman]

How does logging off "adversely affect the PST?" That's absolutely
not true. You actually believe that?

I believe it because I've seen it. If you don't close Outlook before
logging off, there are conditions which can terminate Outlook without a
graceful shutdown, those causing issues in the PST. If you don't believe
me, then just read this newsgroup for a while.

Boy, I hope you're not some sort of IT professional.

31 years of experience.

Because this is plain numskull thinking.

No thinking needed. The evidence is there for all to see.

 

[CMM]

The old WordMail hangs shutdown bug? I expected Microsoft to have addressed
this at some point, no?... Perhaps not.

I've seen entire departments switch their messaging servers (or at least
contemplate it) over
to a competing product over "is-this-enterprise-software???" bugs like this.
Similarly, bugs like that (as well as performance) caused a stigma to be
applied to using Word as the Outlook Editor.... despite the fact that in
Outlook 2002 and 2003 "WordMail" is fantastic.