Microsoft Spyware Beta Performance

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Ron Chamberlin

Hi John,
In the Beta1 version, the program doesn't go into the cookie jar, nor does
it chase data miner objects.

Ron Chamberlin
MS-MVP
 
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jeremy

yes i have the same problem wonder if it works at all at
beta level seem to monitor reg thats all
 
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Anonymous Bob

Bill Sanderson said:
And therein, I suspect, lies part of the reason for the long "consideration"
phase. If they remove one corporate entities tracking cookies, how do they
justify not removing their own. Or--do they remove all tracking cookies
regardless of whose they are?

I don't think I know enough about tracking cookies--do they serve any
legitimate technical, as opposed to marketing, purpose?

To my knowledge, no, but I have an open mind.

Bob Vanderveen
 
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Robin Walker [MVP]

Bill Sanderson said:
I don't think I know enough about tracking cookies--do they serve any
legitimate technical, as opposed to marketing, purpose?

A cookie is a cookie is a cookie.

The designation "Tracking Cookie" exists only in the mind of the beholder,
and I suspect that AdAware etc identify "Tracking Cookies" only by comparing
their source with a blacklist of servers.

There are plenty of legitmate uses for cookies - such as preserving options
between uses of forum sites.
 
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Anonymous Bob

Robin Walker said:
A cookie is a cookie is a cookie.

The designation "Tracking Cookie" exists only in the mind of the beholder,
and I suspect that AdAware etc identify "Tracking Cookies" only by comparing
their source with a blacklist of servers.

There are plenty of legitmate uses for cookies - such as preserving options
between uses of forum sites.

Whoa Robin, I think I'm in danger of learning something!

I thought a tracking cookie was either a 3rd party cookie or a
cookie with a guid.
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/G/GUID.html

Bob Vanderveen
 
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Steve Winograd [MVP]

I had an interesting experience along those lines yesterday. I was
listening to "ThisWeekinTechnology" (TWIT) using WindowsMedia.

During the course of the blogcast, the new ZAP 6 started an
automatic spyware scan and found a tracking cookie from...awwww, you
guessed it ;-)... WindowsMedia.

So here's the point Microsoft, you may not want to scan for tracking
cookies so as not to delete your own cookies, but people like me run
multiple antispyware programs and your cookies will go away anyhow.

Hey Microsoft, you might as well add that capability to MSAS.

In for a dime, in for a dollar.

Bob Vanderveen

Microsoft already provides a way to block tracking cookies. In
Internet Explorer:

1. Click Tools | Internet Options | Privacy.
2. Click Advanced.
3. Select "Override automatic cookie handling".
4. Under "Third-party Cookies", click Block.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
 
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David J. Craig

Also use Windows Explorer in your home directory's cookie subdirectory.
Look at the cookies and delete those you don't want. Take a little time and
maybe a utility to make looking at them would be useful, but not that
difficult.
 
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Steve Winograd [MVP]

Also use Windows Explorer in your home directory's cookie subdirectory.
Look at the cookies and delete those you don't want. Take a little time and
maybe a utility to make looking at them would be useful, but not that
difficult.

WinPatrol has a cookie viewing/deleting capability built in:

http://www.winpatrol.com
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
 
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\old\ devildog

People listen up.

Cookies are not a threat to your computers security. If you want to manage them then get SystemSuite 5 or 6. You can protect the cookies you want to keep (you know to help your "surfing"), and get rid of the ones you just want to dump ( like the ones you got going to that XXX site and your trying to hide them from your spouse (too many guys dump the history and forget the cookies files) ).

Ad-AwareSE and Spybot S&D always look for cookies, but like has been said here before they are just text files that can do no harm to your computer (unless your spouse is checking up on you, and it is you that will be harmed, not your computer).

Yes some cookies target ads to you, but all you have to do is adjust the settings in IE 6 or for that matter Netscape 8, like I am using. No 3rd party cookies will stop 90% of the unwanted ads targeted to you and your pop-up blocker should get the rest (you do block pop-up with IE 6 and also with Netscape).

I never clean cookies with Ad-AwareSE or Spybot S&D. There are too many of them I do want and they make it so much easer to go to Google, as my search preferences are on that cookie and I don't have to set them up each time I visit.

Now move on and worry about something else, like MS getting MSAS working correctly to find and protect you from the real problems out there, the "crap-ware" being loaded on your computer without your permission, or with your permission because you used poor judgment and failed to read the "fine print" on that "wonderful" freeware program that sounded so good ( "free" screensavers are the biggest problem here, even some of the ones from Microsoft Downloads are full of spyware and adware).

People drop the cookie crap. If they really bother you then shut them off ( you can do that also in IE or Netscape), block them all, but please don't come crying back here to saying IE is not working that way it use to. Cookies have become a item that provides convenience to internet users. And don't quote something from someone or somewhere else stating that all or some cookies are bad. Open one yourself, you can do that with Notepad. Look at what is there. Go to Google, set up your search preferences, and then go to the cookies file and look at it. Is it a "Dangerous" program or text file? They are only dangerous, if you get caught by your spouse going somewhere you shouldn't be in the 1st place. Remember the biggest cause of viruses, spyware, and adware on computers are the XXX sites. Stick with looking at what you have at home, after all you are married to them, and it will protect your computer and most important of all it will keep your spouse from hurting you. ;)

How to make an "old" devildog
18 years of growing up
+ 3 months of Marine boot camp
+ 4 years of war (Hell on Earth)
+ a few very long years to become human again
+ 6 years of college (2 Degrees)
+ well over 30 years of computing (remember card readers?)
= bumping 60 very hard, already retired and a 2 year old son.
Ain't life grand
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: Also use Windows Explorer in your home directory's cookie subdirectory.
: Look at the cookies and delete those you don't want. Take a little time and
: maybe a utility to make looking at them would be useful, but not that
: difficult.
:
: : > In article <#WXf3#[email protected]>,
: >>
: >>I had an interesting experience along those lines yesterday. I was
: >>listening to "ThisWeekinTechnology" (TWIT) using WindowsMedia.
: >>
: >>During the course of the blogcast, the new ZAP 6 started an
: >>automatic spyware scan and found a tracking cookie from...awwww, you
: >>guessed it ;-)... WindowsMedia.
: >>
: >>So here's the point Microsoft, you may not want to scan for tracking
: >>cookies so as not to delete your own cookies, but people like me run
: >>multiple antispyware programs and your cookies will go away anyhow.
: >>
: >>Hey Microsoft, you might as well add that capability to MSAS.
: >>
: >>In for a dime, in for a dollar.
: >>
: >>Bob Vanderveen
: >
: > Microsoft already provides a way to block tracking cookies. In
: > Internet Explorer:
: >
: > 1. Click Tools | Internet Options | Privacy.
: > 2. Click Advanced.
: > 3. Select "Override automatic cookie handling".
: > 4. Under "Third-party Cookies", click Block.
: > --
: > Best Wishes,
: > Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
: >
: > Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
: > for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
: > addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
: >
: > Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
: > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
:
:
 
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Anonymous Bob

Steve Winograd said:
Microsoft already provides a way to block tracking cookies. In
Internet Explorer:

1. Click Tools | Internet Options | Privacy.
2. Click Advanced.
3. Select "Override automatic cookie handling".
4. Under "Third-party Cookies", click Block.

Thank you , Steve. I've already done that.

Bob Vanderveen
 
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Anonymous Bob

And please tell me, devildog, how do you feel about 16k html email
or newsgroup posts?

Bob Vanderveen
 
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Anonymous Bob

People listen up.
Cookies are not a threat to your computers security.

<snipped>

Of course you're right, but privacy is the issue, not security, and
3rd party cookies with a GUID combined with the use of web bugs
provides for effective tracking.

I'm not aware of any other antispyware program that doesn't deal
with tracking cookies. It's an embarressment for Microsoft to be the
lone holdout that's only going to get worst.

Bob Vanderveen
 
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Robin Walker [MVP]

Anonymous Bob said:
Whoa Robin, I think I'm in danger of learning something!

I thought a tracking cookie was either a 3rd party cookie or a
cookie with a guid.
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/G/GUID.html

I've checked all the alleged "Tracking Cookies" on my PCs, and none of them
contain GUIDs.

There seems to be no structural difference between "Tracking Cookies" and
any other cookie. There appears to be no way you can look at the contents
of a cookie and algorithmically determine whether it is a tracking cookie or
not.

That's why I suspect that anti-adware applications identify "Tracking
Cookies" only by means of a blacklist of source servers.

This raises issues for the legally-sensitive anti-spyware authors (such as
Microsoft maybe). What right have they to delete files (cookies) on which
the business models of other corporates depend, when those files pose no
threat to the integrity of the user's system? We are already at the stage
where Sunbelt have downgraded their classification of WhenU products because
they are all simple adware, with no malicious or spyware components. If
this has already happened in respect of pure adware, it might be difficult
to mount a watertight case for the removal of cookies which pose no threat
to the integrity of the system.

As others have posted, cookies represent more of a privacy issue than a
security issue. Cookies are harmless, but can reveal where you have been
browsing to others in your household with admin rights.

The cookies themselves contain no data about you or your PC that the source
web server did not know already, unless there is malicious software resident
in the PC that is adding data to cookie files: this is why we must make
every effort to identify and eradicate any such malicious software.
 
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Robin Walker [MVP]

old" devildog said:
+ well over 30 years of computing (remember card readers?)

Card readers? Pfft! New-fangled stuff.
How about 5-track and 7-track paper tape?
 
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Anonymous Bob

Robin Walker said:
Card readers? Pfft! New-fangled stuff.
How about 5-track and 7-track paper tape?

Burpee 2 punch, model 28 tty, 026 card punch (can you say
biquinary?) later the CDC 405 card reader and 415 card punch. Ahhh
the memories...

Bob Vanderveen
 
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\old\ devildog

The excitement awaiting the release of Fortran 66 , Cobal lab from 12 am to
2 am, due to the fact that the computer (Harris) was needed during the day
by K-State Admin. Yes the memories. A 75,000 pound (weight not money Robin)
computer using 10 reel to reel tape units for helping the Marines make
tactical decisions ( Top Secret in 1970), running DOS from 8 inch floppy
disk, a 35 pound Winchester hard drive with 200 meg of storage for only
$2800.00. Yes the memories. My 1st home computer was an Altos, built from
spare parts in the tech shop, with a 300baud handset cradle for a modem, yes
the memories of tech of the past. No internet, no virues, no spyware, no
adaware, and the concept of a Graphis User Interface ( Apple/Windows )was
still not a thought in Steve Jobs head.

"old" devildog
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:
: : > "old" devildog <teyoungATmchsiDOTcom> wrote:
: >
: > > + well over 30 years of computing (remember card readers?)
: >
: > Card readers? Pfft! New-fangled stuff.
: > How about 5-track and 7-track paper tape?
:
: Burpee 2 punch, model 28 tty, 026 card punch (can you say
: biquinary?) later the CDC 405 card reader and 415 card punch. Ahhh
: the memories...
:
: Bob Vanderveen
:
:
 
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Robin Walker [MVP]

Robin Walker said:
I've checked all the alleged "Tracking Cookies" on my PCs, and none
of them contain GUIDs.

I need to define this more carefully.

I think the webopedia article is incorrect in inferring that a GUID is
necessarily a 128-bit number, of the same sort that Windows uses internally
to assign unique identities to things. A Windows GUID is a 128-bit number,
certainly.

It is possible for cookies to contain some sort of unique identifier, but
the structure of the unique identifier, and the scope of its uniqueness, is
likely to be specific to the web server creating the cookie. Lots of
tracking cookies might contain unique identifiers, but they will not be
"global" in the sense that they uniquely identify you across the internet.
If a cookie contains an identifier, it might not be recognisable as such,
and it is unlikely to look anything like a Windows GUID. After all, cookies
have to work with non-Windows systems.

What I meant to say above is: I have not seen a cookie bearing an identifier
that looks like a Windows GUID.
 
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Anonymous Bob

Robin Walker said:
I need to define this more carefully.

I think the webopedia article is incorrect in inferring that a GUID is
necessarily a 128-bit number, of the same sort that Windows uses internally
to assign unique identities to things. A Windows GUID is a 128-bit number,
certainly.

It is possible for cookies to contain some sort of unique identifier, but
the structure of the unique identifier, and the scope of its uniqueness, is
likely to be specific to the web server creating the cookie. Lots of
tracking cookies might contain unique identifiers, but they will not be
"global" in the sense that they uniquely identify you across the internet.
If a cookie contains an identifier, it might not be recognisable as such,
and it is unlikely to look anything like a Windows GUID. After all, cookies
have to work with non-Windows systems.

What I meant to say above is: I have not seen a cookie bearing an identifier
that looks like a Windows GUID.

OK, Robin. I've found an example for you. It's rather dated, but it
illustrates the powerful techniques that can be used with those
plain old ordinary text files called cookies and the sites in
question are germane to this discussion.
http://www.pc-help.org/privacy/ms_guid.htm

Very respectfully,
Bob Vanderveen
 
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Robin Walker [MVP]

Anonymous Bob said:
OK, Robin. I've found an example for you. It's rather dated, but it
illustrates the powerful techniques that can be used with those
plain old ordinary text files called cookies and the sites in
question are germane to this discussion.
http://www.pc-help.org/privacy/ms_guid.htm

Yes, oddly enough, I read that page earlier today, having googled "GUID
cookie". It's an example of how co-operating web servers can operate a
common ID system for cookies.
 
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Anonymous Bob

Robin Walker said:
Yes, oddly enough, I read that page earlier today, having googled "GUID
cookie". It's an example of how co-operating web servers can operate a
common ID system for cookies.
And must interesting that *anyone* can share MSN's GUID.

Bob Vanderveen
 

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