Microsoft Browser Under Scrutiny

T

Tom

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/03/tech/main627407.shtml



NEW YORK, July 2, 2004

(AP) It's been a bad week for many users of Microsoft Corp.'s nearly ubiquitous Internet Explorer browser.

A pair of virus attacks exploiting its vulnerabilities had led security experts to recommend that Web surfers consider such alternatives as Mozilla and Opera.

Until Microsoft made a software update available Friday, continuing to use Internet Explorer was "like playing the lottery," said Johannes B. Ullrich, chief technology officer of the nonprofit SANS Internet Security Center.

The respected research center was among security groups recommending other browsers as long as a key vulnerability in IE remained unfixed, leaving it capable of running malicious code that's been hidden at a number of popular Web sites.

It took a week for Microsoft to issue the update, which does not fix the flaw entirely but disables a hacker's ability to deliver malicious code with it. Ullrich said the update appeared to eliminate any immediate need to switch browsers, which can cause problems of its own.

The flaw had allowed a computer virus to spread through a new technique that converted popular Web sites into virus transmitters. That infection was designed to steal valuable information as Web users typed it into their computers ? passwords and the like.

And this week, researchers discovered another password-stealing program hidden behind pop-up ads. A repair for the flaw enabling that Trojan infection was issued in April, many users had yet to patch their systems.

IE is a frequent target for hacking because of its popularity; WebSideStory Inc. says 95 percent of surfers use it globally. The browser is closely integrated with Microsoft's Windows operating system and Outlook e-mail program, creating more room for programming error and making solutions more difficult.

Though many of IE's functions are not unique, IE tends to be more permissive in running code ? flexibility that helps Web developers create fancy features but allows hackers to more easily find weaknesses.

A major Windows XP upgrade, known as a service pack, is due out this summer and would plugs some holes in IE. Last week's outbreak would not have occurred had those software plugs been installed, said Gary Schare, a Microsoft security director.

Microsoft also is developing a specific fix for the new vulnerability, but Schare said testing takes time. He called it premature for independent security experts to recommend that people explore alternatives.

Even if those recommendations were heeded, it's highly unlikely Microsoft could be unseated as top dog in the browser business. After all, IE comes with Windows computers. The Justice Department, after initially suing to force Microsoft to uncouple the browser from its operating systems, later backed down.

Many users don't care enough or know how to find other browsers, most of which are free or ad-supported. Opera Software ASA, which offers the No. 3 browser for Windows, saw no significant change in downloads this week. Downloads of Mozilla doubled, but the increase is not nearly enough to significantly change its market share.

"It's not that consumers are so loyal to Microsoft, but more they are apathetic," said Geoff Johnston, an analyst with WebSideStory, which tracks browser usage. "With it, there really is a cost to switching."

Users who install alternatives will find that some Web sites simply won't work. Movielink LLC says its online movies need technology specific to IE, and America Online Inc. shuns its own Mozilla-based Netscape browsers for new conferencing tools.

Browser-integrated toolbars from search leader Google Inc. and others are only available for Internet Explorer.

Many sites work on alternatives but display items incorrectly, often because developers fail to test on them.

"All they know is it looks good to them ... on their own browser, and their own browser is most probably Internet Explorer," said Jakob Nielsen, a Web design expert with Nielsen Norman Group.

Ken Godskind, vice president of marketing at the Internet monitoring firm AlertSite, uses the Mozilla browser partly because of security concerns, but he accepts having to run IE now and then.

"Rarely are you going to go someplace where you're going to avoid Microsoft technology," he said.

But sites have gotten better about designing for other browsers, said Porter Glendinning, an Internet consultant who promotes adherence to Web standards. Until recently, he said, banking applications rarely worked on anything else.

And leading Web application developers, including Opera, Apple Computer Inc. and Macromedia Inc., are collaborating on better plug-in technology to rival Microsoft's.

Opera's Christen Krogh said users would get the same functionality no matter their browser.

Mark Rasch, chief security counsel for Solutionary Inc., favors alternatives "if for no reason other than to create heterogeneity," which dulls the impact of any single virus attack.

But alternatives can become targets, too, as more people use them, said Chris Kraft, senior security analyst at Sophos Inc.

A better solution is to reconsider whether browsers ought to have evolved into Swiss Army knives of the Internet ? a development that can, and has, backfired on users.

These Web browsers have advanced over time to be extremely rich in terms of content, how they deliver content," Kraft said. "What's the compromise between a rich experience and creating a toolbox for the general malicious community?"
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

What You Should Know About Download.Ject
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/download_ject.mspx

Important:

Users of Windows XP Service Pack 2 Release Candidate 2
(Windows XP SP2 RC2) are not at risk.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/03/tech/main627407.shtml



NEW YORK, July 2, 2004

(AP) It's been a bad week for many users of Microsoft Corp.'s nearly ubiquitous Internet Explorer browser.

A pair of virus attacks exploiting its vulnerabilities had led security experts to recommend that Web surfers
consider such alternatives as Mozilla and Opera.

Until Microsoft made a software update available Friday, continuing to use Internet Explorer was "like playing
the lottery," said Johannes B. Ullrich, chief technology officer of the nonprofit SANS Internet Security
Center.

The respected research center was among security groups recommending other browsers as long as a key
vulnerability in IE remained unfixed, leaving it capable of running malicious code that's been hidden at a
number of popular Web sites.

It took a week for Microsoft to issue the update, which does not fix the flaw entirely but disables a hacker's
ability to deliver malicious code with it. Ullrich said the update appeared to eliminate any immediate need to
switch browsers, which can cause problems of its own.

The flaw had allowed a computer virus to spread through a new technique that converted popular Web sites into
virus transmitters. That infection was designed to steal valuable information as Web users typed it into their
computers ? passwords and the like.

And this week, researchers discovered another password-stealing program hidden behind pop-up ads. A repair for
the flaw enabling that Trojan infection was issued in April, many users had yet to patch their systems.

IE is a frequent target for hacking because of its popularity; WebSideStory Inc. says 95 percent of surfers
use it globally. The browser is closely integrated with Microsoft's Windows operating system and Outlook
e-mail program, creating more room for programming error and making solutions more difficult.

Though many of IE's functions are not unique, IE tends to be more permissive in running code ? flexibility
that helps Web developers create fancy features but allows hackers to more easily find weaknesses.

A major Windows XP upgrade, known as a service pack, is due out this summer and would plugs some holes in IE.
Last week's outbreak would not have occurred had those software plugs been installed, said Gary Schare, a
Microsoft security director.

Microsoft also is developing a specific fix for the new vulnerability, but Schare said testing takes time. He
called it premature for independent security experts to recommend that people explore alternatives.

Even if those recommendations were heeded, it's highly unlikely Microsoft could be unseated as top dog in the
browser business. After all, IE comes with Windows computers. The Justice Department, after initially suing to
force Microsoft to uncouple the browser from its operating systems, later backed down.

Many users don't care enough or know how to find other browsers, most of which are free or ad-supported. Opera
Software ASA, which offers the No. 3 browser for Windows, saw no significant change in downloads this week.
Downloads of Mozilla doubled, but the increase is not nearly enough to significantly change its market share.

"It's not that consumers are so loyal to Microsoft, but more they are apathetic," said Geoff Johnston, an
analyst with WebSideStory, which tracks browser usage. "With it, there really is a cost to switching."

Users who install alternatives will find that some Web sites simply won't work. Movielink LLC says its online
movies need technology specific to IE, and America Online Inc. shuns its own Mozilla-based Netscape browsers
for new conferencing tools.

Browser-integrated toolbars from search leader Google Inc. and others are only available for Internet
Explorer.

Many sites work on alternatives but display items incorrectly, often because developers fail to test on them.

"All they know is it looks good to them ... on their own browser, and their own browser is most probably
Internet Explorer," said Jakob Nielsen, a Web design expert with Nielsen Norman Group.

Ken Godskind, vice president of marketing at the Internet monitoring firm AlertSite, uses the Mozilla browser
partly because of security concerns, but he accepts having to run IE now and then.

"Rarely are you going to go someplace where you're going to avoid Microsoft technology," he said.

But sites have gotten better about designing for other browsers, said Porter Glendinning, an Internet
consultant who promotes adherence to Web standards. Until recently, he said, banking applications rarely
worked on anything else.

And leading Web application developers, including Opera, Apple Computer Inc. and Macromedia Inc., are
collaborating on better plug-in technology to rival Microsoft's.

Opera's Christen Krogh said users would get the same functionality no matter their browser.

Mark Rasch, chief security counsel for Solutionary Inc., favors alternatives "if for no reason other than to
create heterogeneity," which dulls the impact of any single virus attack.

But alternatives can become targets, too, as more people use them, said Chris Kraft, senior security analyst
at Sophos Inc.

A better solution is to reconsider whether browsers ought to have evolved into Swiss Army knives of the
Internet ? a development that can, and has, backfired on users.

These Web browsers have advanced over time to be extremely rich in terms of content, how they deliver
content," Kraft said. "What's the compromise between a rich experience and creating a toolbox for the general
malicious community?"
 
T

Tom

I already know this, I subscribe to Microsoft Security Updates, and I have
had SP2 RC2 installed for a while now.

I am simply posting this so some will read it, and maybe take care. My
opinion is that MS doesn't spend their enormous profits alerting consumers
to their easily hacked programs, especially Outlook and Internet Explorer.
It would do them good if they would by TV time to do this. They typically
wait too long to release fixes, unless the damage is already done, and it
becomes an emergency. They need to keep testing constantly, or release a
browser and email client that won't get cracked so much!

Where I work (my employer has 38,000 employees, and has over a thousand
servers) they officially created a website where to teach others about Linux
servers because the cost of paying for MS products is cutting into the
bottom line, and they are unreliable. Linux can be written to make software
run with more compatibility. They (for now we are have simply servers to
Linux).

I work in department where we have 26 servers to run 26 printers (these are
very high-end printers, the oldest being 2 years old, totaling a cost of
over 22 million dollars). they got rid of Windows 2000 server, and the one
2003 version for the latest Linux version. It has never crashed in the six
months we have been using them. For now though, the desktops will keep the
WinXP pro, because most are not familiar with other types of Office
software, but they are training for Corel products, as to implement that on
Linux desktops; the cost savings are phenomenal, and the IT dept can write
to the operating system when needed, something Windows does not allow.
 
P

Plato

Tom said:
Users who install alternatives will find that some Web sites simply
won't work. Movielink LLC says its online movies need technology

One should NEVER make a website that only can be viewed by a specific
browser. Needless to say, the folks who have continued to ignore my
recommendation regarding such now will be working overtime.

Also, as an aside, webmasters MUST and SHOULD view their pages on PCs
other than the office PCs, which may have all your stuff in cache and so
it seems to load instantly.

ie just because your boss can pop it up in a second or so may not be the
true time your page needs to load up on a 26.6 dialup.
 
H

Husky

Just a band aid. Assuming any other OS even comes close to toppling M$, the
hackers will be ready.
When you figure M$ is under constant attack, you have to figure they must be
doing something right.
With the other OS almost exclusively ignored by the hacker community there's
not really any way to gauge their OS security vs M$.
over 22 million dollars). they got rid of Windows 2000 server, and the one
2003 version for the latest Linux version. It has never crashed in the six
months we have been using them. For now though, the desktops will keep the
WinXP pro, because most are not familiar with other types of Office
software, but they are training for Corel products, as to implement that on
Linux desktops; the cost savings are phenomenal, and the IT dept can write
to the operating system when needed, something Windows does not allow.

more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
 
T

Tom

Husky said:
Just a band aid. Assuming any other OS even comes close to toppling M$,
the
hackers will be ready.
When you figure M$ is under constant attack, you have to figure they must
be
doing something right.
With the other OS almost exclusively ignored by the hacker community
there's
not really any way to gauge their OS security vs M$.

Good Point, they could be next, but they certainly are getting a heads up
with the MS woes though!
 
T

Tom

Plato said:
One should NEVER make a website that only can be viewed by a specific
browser. Needless to say, the folks who have continued to ignore my
recommendation regarding such now will be working overtime.

Also, as an aside, webmasters MUST and SHOULD view their pages on PCs
other than the office PCs, which may have all your stuff in cache and so
it seems to load instantly.

ie just because your boss can pop it up in a second or so may not be the
true time your page needs to load up on a 26.6 dialup.

Well, they simply don't ignore your advice, but the advice in general. I
only use IE, and have no prblems, but then again, I have my security set
where I won't get hit, and i follow PC news events. I do use Firefox0.9,
that is a really good browser. I don't like Netscape, because to do the
simple fucntions init, take a few extra steps. Needless to say, you make
good point though!
 
H

Husky

If our military had M$ security, they could have walked into Saddams castle and
walked him right out without a shot fired.
Good Point, they could be next, but they certainly are getting a heads up
with the MS woes though!

As much as I wish the other OS [specifically amiga, and 2nd'ly MAC] were
supported, they just aren't a good investment and that goes for just about
anything that won't run on a M$ machine.

more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
 
G

Gene K

Of course you hate anything to do with Windows, that is why you are
participating in a Microsoft Windows Newsgroup.

--
Gene K
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/03/tech/main627407.shtml



NEW YORK, July 2, 2004

(AP) It's been a bad week for many users of Microsoft Corp.'s nearly
ubiquitous Internet Explorer browser.

A pair of virus attacks exploiting its vulnerabilities had led security
experts to recommend that Web surfers consider such alternatives as Mozilla
and Opera.

Until Microsoft made a software update available Friday, continuing to use
Internet Explorer was "like playing the lottery," said Johannes B. Ullrich,
chief technology officer of the nonprofit SANS Internet Security Center.

The respected research center was among security groups recommending other
browsers as long as a key vulnerability in IE remained unfixed, leaving it
capable of running malicious code that's been hidden at a number of popular
Web sites.

It took a week for Microsoft to issue the update, which does not fix the
flaw entirely but disables a hacker's ability to deliver malicious code with
it. Ullrich said the update appeared to eliminate any immediate need to
switch browsers, which can cause problems of its own.

The flaw had allowed a computer virus to spread through a new technique that
converted popular Web sites into virus transmitters. That infection was
designed to steal valuable information as Web users typed it into their
computers ? passwords and the like.

And this week, researchers discovered another password-stealing program
hidden behind pop-up ads. A repair for the flaw enabling that Trojan
infection was issued in April, many users had yet to patch their systems.

IE is a frequent target for hacking because of its popularity; WebSideStory
Inc. says 95 percent of surfers use it globally. The browser is closely
integrated with Microsoft's Windows operating system and Outlook e-mail
program, creating more room for programming error and making solutions more
difficult.

Though many of IE's functions are not unique, IE tends to be more permissive
in running code ? flexibility that helps Web developers create fancy
features but allows hackers to more easily find weaknesses.

A major Windows XP upgrade, known as a service pack, is due out this summer
and would plugs some holes in IE. Last week's outbreak would not have
occurred had those software plugs been installed, said Gary Schare, a
Microsoft security director.

Microsoft also is developing a specific fix for the new vulnerability, but
Schare said testing takes time. He called it premature for independent
security experts to recommend that people explore alternatives.

Even if those recommendations were heeded, it's highly unlikely Microsoft
could be unseated as top dog in the browser business. After all, IE comes
with Windows computers. The Justice Department, after initially suing to
force Microsoft to uncouple the browser from its operating systems, later
backed down.

Many users don't care enough or know how to find other browsers, most of
which are free or ad-supported. Opera Software ASA, which offers the No. 3
browser for Windows, saw no significant change in downloads this week.
Downloads of Mozilla doubled, but the increase is not nearly enough to
significantly change its market share.

"It's not that consumers are so loyal to Microsoft, but more they are
apathetic," said Geoff Johnston, an analyst with WebSideStory, which tracks
browser usage. "With it, there really is a cost to switching."

Users who install alternatives will find that some Web sites simply won't
work. Movielink LLC says its online movies need technology specific to IE,
and America Online Inc. shuns its own Mozilla-based Netscape browsers for
new conferencing tools.

Browser-integrated toolbars from search leader Google Inc. and others are
only available for Internet Explorer.

Many sites work on alternatives but display items incorrectly, often because
developers fail to test on them.

"All they know is it looks good to them ... on their own browser, and their
own browser is most probably Internet Explorer," said Jakob Nielsen, a Web
design expert with Nielsen Norman Group.

Ken Godskind, vice president of marketing at the Internet monitoring firm
AlertSite, uses the Mozilla browser partly because of security concerns, but
he accepts having to run IE now and then.

"Rarely are you going to go someplace where you're going to avoid Microsoft
technology," he said.

But sites have gotten better about designing for other browsers, said Porter
Glendinning, an Internet consultant who promotes adherence to Web standards.
Until recently, he said, banking applications rarely worked on anything
else.

And leading Web application developers, including Opera, Apple Computer Inc.
and Macromedia Inc., are collaborating on better plug-in technology to rival
Microsoft's.

Opera's Christen Krogh said users would get the same functionality no matter
their browser.

Mark Rasch, chief security counsel for Solutionary Inc., favors alternatives
"if for no reason other than to create heterogeneity," which dulls the
impact of any single virus attack.

But alternatives can become targets, too, as more people use them, said
Chris Kraft, senior security analyst at Sophos Inc.

A better solution is to reconsider whether browsers ought to have evolved
into Swiss Army knives of the Internet ? a development that can, and has,
backfired on users.

These Web browsers have advanced over time to be extremely rich in terms of
content, how they deliver content," Kraft said. "What's the compromise
between a rich experience and creating a toolbox for the general malicious
community?"
 
T

Tom

-----Original Message-----
Of course you hate anything to do with Windows, that is why you are
participating in a Microsoft Windows Newsgroup.

Of course you make a sweeping genralisation about me
though I actually provided something substantial that is
typical of the security of IE (and Outlook) in the past
years, and it keeps going on.

I do not hate anything, I use Windows all the time, and
have stated why it is my preference, but I would use
others if they had more software support. XP is fine, it
you that hates by being intolerant of real issues.
 

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