Mew ATI and tv-out?

[Thomas Andersson]

Are there any newer ATI cards that has tv-out? (svhs). Looking at 5770 which
seems to be the best I can afford and they all seems to have display port
(whatever that does) and none have the classic svhs/hdtv out connector.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Are there any newer ATI cards that has tv-out? (svhs). Looking at 5770 which
seems to be the best I can afford and they all seems to have display port
(whatever that does) and none have the classic svhs/hdtv out connector.

My Sapphire 5870 has DVI, HDMI and Display Port and it came with an
adapter for HDMI to component.

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

Am 23.02.2010 18:32, * Thomas Andersson:

Are there any newer ATI cards that has tv-out? (svhs). Looking at 5770 which
seems to be the best I can afford and they all seems to have display port
(whatever that does) and none have the classic svhs/hdtv out connector.

Analoge TV out (CVBS, Y/C) is dead, and very few new cards actually
still come with analoge TV out. More cards do come with analoge
component out (HDTV) but in Europe this is not of much relevance because
TVs that have analogue component input also have VGA or DVI/HDMI inputs.

Unless you have a really ancient TV I wouldn't even bother with Y/C any
more (and if you have then you probably need an older gfx card). Not
only because the image usually looks like crap.

Benjamin

 

[GMAN]

Am 23.02.2010 18:32, * Thomas Andersson:

Analoge TV out (CVBS, Y/C) is dead, and very few new cards actually
still come with analoge TV out. More cards do come with analoge
component out (HDTV) but in Europe this is not of much relevance because
TVs that have analogue component input also have VGA or DVI/HDMI inputs.

Unless you have a really ancient TV I wouldn't even bother with Y/C any
more (and if you have then you probably need an older gfx card). Not
only because the image usually looks like crap.

Benjamin

So how do you suggest the OP or anyone else for that matter be able to record
video out from their pc?

 

[Boris Badenov]

Analoge TV out (CVBS, Y/C) is dead, and very few new cards actually
still come with analoge TV out.

Yea, but there are adapters available so he can still do it. In my
previous post I said my 5870 came with HDMI to component adapter, he
wants SVGA though, simple fix is attach component to SVGA adapter to the
HDMI to component adapter. I know you can get those because I have one
collecting dust in my adapter box.

 

[Barry Watzman]

Re: "It is not legal to make or sell HDCP capable DVI to analog (VGA -
Component) converters**"

I don't think that's absolutely true. It depends on the format and
resolution of the output of the conversion. If the output is "SD"
(standard definition) then it is legal. If it's "HD" it's not legal.
I'm not sure where or if these terms are defined precisely. But analog
VGA 640x480 is definitely not considered HD.

 

[Barry Watzman]

We were talking about CONVERTING the digital signal into {something};
both analog and digital can be either HD or SD.

[e.g. component video can be analog HD, while DVI at 800x600 (or lower)
is digital but SD]

My point was, it's not illegal to make a device that takes an HDMI HD
signal (with HDCP) and converts it into, for example, NTSC composite
analog (e.g. yellow RCA plug). That seems to be the capability (not
currently illegal) that you are discussing which providers are asking to
be capable of being turned off. That might work on a cable box
(although maybe not current and past production models) but it will
hardly work for DVD content, which is currently SD, but still of very
good quality.

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

Am 24.02.2010 20:43, * Boris Badenov:

Yea, but there are adapters available so he can still do it. In my
previous post I said my 5870 came with HDMI to component adapter, he
wants SVGA though

No, he wants *SVHS* not SVGA.

Benjamin

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

Am 24.02.2010 17:49, * GMAN:

So how do you suggest the OP or anyone else for that matter be able to record
video out from their pc?

There are programs that allow recording of screen content, for example
FRAPS.

Besides that, why should anyone want to record the video output from
their PC?

Benjamin

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

Am 25.02.2010 00:50, * Barry Watzman:

Re: "It is not legal to make or sell HDCP capable DVI to analog (VGA -
Component) converters**"

I don't think that's absolutely true. It depends on the format and
resolution of the output of the conversion. If the output is "SD"
(standard definition) then it is legal. If it's "HD" it's not legal. I'm
not sure where or if these terms are defined precisely. But analog VGA
640x480 is definitely not considered HD.

The legality has absolutely nothing to do with the resolution of the
signal. HDMI is protected by a proprietary copy protection (HDCP) which
to circumvent is illegal in a lot of countries.

Benjamin

 

[Thomas Andersson]

Am 23.02.2010 18:32, * Thomas Andersson:

Analoge TV out (CVBS, Y/C) is dead, and very few new cards actually
still come with analoge TV out. More cards do come with analoge
component out (HDTV) but in Europe this is not of much relevance
because TVs that have analogue component input also have VGA or
DVI/HDMI inputs.
Unless you have a really ancient TV I wouldn't even bother with Y/C
any more (and if you have then you probably need an older gfx card).
Not only because the image usually looks like crap.

MY TV isn't ancient, but not exactly new either, it has 2 scart connections
of which one accepts SVHS signal. A new one is unfortunately out of the
question due to economics.

 

[Thomas Andersson]

We were talking about CONVERTING the digital signal into {something};
both analog and digital can be either HD or SD.

[e.g. component video can be analog HD, while DVI at 800x600 (or
lower) is digital but SD]

My point was, it's not illegal to make a device that takes an HDMI HD
signal (with HDCP) and converts it into, for example, NTSC composite
analog (e.g. yellow RCA plug). That seems to be the capability (not
currently illegal) that you are discussing which providers are asking
to be capable of being turned off. That might work on a cable box
(although maybe not current and past production models) but it will
hardly work for DVD content, which is currently SD, but still of very
good quality.

That's exactly what I need when I say svhs.. the yellow RCA plug with analog
800*600 composite output (PAL/B).
The reason of course to watch movies etc on my telly from my computer...

 

[Thomas Andersson]

Am 24.02.2010 20:43, * Boris Badenov:


No, he wants *SVHS* not SVGA.

That
Although slightly hijacked an interesting thread

 

[Boris Badenov]

Boris: Open that box up again and take a look at that adapter. It most
likely is a DVI to VGA adapter.

OK, just pulled it out of my adapter collection and it is VGA to
component, sorry for the confusion. Still, I could connect DVI to VGA
adapter to video card, this VGA to comnponent adapter to that and then
finally component to SVGA adapter.

 

[Boris Badenov]

No, he wants *SVHS* not SVGA.

Benjamin

Typo, sorry. I know what he wants.

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

Am 25.02.2010 14:24, * Thomas Andersson:

MY TV isn't ancient, but not exactly new either, it has 2 scart connections
of which one accepts SVHS signal. A new one is unfortunately out of the
question due to economics.

The problem is that technology has moved on, simple as that. I don't
know how old your TV is but VGA and DVI/HDMI inputs are standard on TVs
for over half a decade now. So as hard as it sounds, it basically comes
down to these choices:

* use an old gfx card with analoge TV out
* buy one of the few remaining low end cards with analogue TV out
* buy one of the converters which convert VGA to CVBS or Y/C (beware,
most of them produce a really crap picture!)
* get a new TV

I wouldn't recommend investing any money in analoge TV out, not only
because it is obsolete but also because the image quality is usually
just bad. Better save the money until you can replace your TV.

Ben

 

[GMAN]

OK, just pulled it out of my adapter collection and it is VGA to
component, sorry for the confusion. Still, I could connect DVI to VGA
adapter to video card, this VGA to comnponent adapter to that and then
finally component to SVGA adapter.

Quit calling it component to SVGA.

You mean Component to S-Video or Y/C

 

[GMAN]

Am 24.02.2010 20:43, * Boris Badenov:


No, he wants *SVHS* not SVGA.

Benjamin

IT NOT SVHS either damnit, it called S-Video or Y/C

 

[GMAN]

Am 24.02.2010 17:49, * GMAN:


There are programs that allow recording of screen content, for example
FRAPS.

Besides that, why should anyone want to record the video output from
their PC?

Benjamin

WTF??? are you serious?????

 

[GMAN]

MY TV isn't ancient, but not exactly new either, it has 2 scart connections
of which one accepts SVHS signal. A new one is unfortunately out of the
question due to economics.

Its not SVHS, its called S-VIDEO or Y/C