Message from system alert

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Guest

I keep getting popup messages that says "Message from SYSTEM ALERT
on...date... windows has found CRITICAL SYSTEM ERRORS

Download registry cleaner from www.clean32.com It also says on the title bar

Messenger Service.....how do I get rid of those messages ?
 
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Malke

mistral said:
I keep getting popup messages that says "Message from SYSTEM ALERT
on...date... windows has found CRITICAL SYSTEM ERRORS

Download registry cleaner from www.clean32.com It also says on the title bar

Messenger Service.....how do I get rid of those messages ?

Your computer is infected with one of the many variants of the Smitfraud
Trojan.

Go through the preparatory steps here:
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware

Then do the specific removal steps here:
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Smitfraud_Trojan

When all else fails, run HijackThis and post your log in one of the
specialty forums listed at the link above (not here, please).

Standard caveat: If the procedures look too complex - and there is no
shame in admitting this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a
professional computer repair shop (not your local version of
BigStoreUSA). Please be aware that not all local shops are skilled at
removing malware and even if they are, your computer may be so infested
that Windows will need to be clean-installed. Have all your data backed
up before you take the machine into a shop.


Malke
 
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Daave

Malke said:
Your computer is infected with one of the many variants of the
Smitfraud Trojan.

What makes you think it's Smitfraud? Why can't it just be an ordinary
run-of-the-mill case of Messenger Service spam?
 
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Daave

Curt said:
Trust Malke--*It's Smitfraud*. The cleaning process described only
takes a little of your time.

I'm not the OP. I'm just curious. What OP described seems to me to be a
classic case of Messenger Service spam.
 
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Curt Christianson

Sorry Daave,

In my haste I thought you were the OP. It describes as a classic case of
Smitfraud, but I suppose it *could* always be something else. I have a
tendency to assume the most obvious causes of the day, and then work my way
down the ladder.

--
HTH,
Curt

Windows Support Center
http://aumha.org/
 
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Malke

Daave said:
I'm not the OP. I'm just curious. What OP described seems to me to be a
classic case of Messenger Service spam.

You don't have to trust me. ;-) Since SP2, we here in the field are
seeing very little Messenger service spam. In addition, the specific
products/site that the OP was directed to are known to be related to
Smitfraud variants. But you don't need to believe me - go to
BleepingComputer.com and take a look.

Bleeping Computer removal how-to's -
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum55.html


Malke
 
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Daave

Curt said:
In my haste I thought you were the OP. It describes as a classic
case of Smitfraud, but I suppose it *could* always be something else.
I have a tendency to assume the most obvious causes of the day, and
then work my way down the ladder.

Reading the original post closely, I believe it is almost definitely an
instance of Messenger Service spam. It entices the user to click on a
link sending him/her to clean32.c*m (intentional obfuscation), which is
a known rogue site where the user is once more encouraged to click on
another link for info (actually, a EULA!) on a supposed registry
cleaning program. But the link is to an executable (surprise, surprise).

Now here is where we may come full-circle: the executable may very well
be an installer for Smitfraud or one of its variants. But what the OP
has described doesn't seem to me to be a case of the actual infection
(yet); rather it's a classic example of Messenger Service spam.

Might it be Smitfraud? Sure, it's possible. But it's very easy (and
faster) to determine the other situation first. And of course, if it's
negative, *then* the OP should thoroughly scan for malware and even try
the Smitfraud fix if necessary. Actually regular malware scans are
recommended, regardless... but we already know that :)

BTW, I Googled for images of Smitfraud and the closest I found that
sounded like what the OP described was:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/images/forums/spyfalcon1.gif

Compare this with:

http://www.sashadesign.com/img/weblog/messenger_spam.gif
 
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Bruce Chambers

mistral said:
I keep getting popup messages that says "Message from SYSTEM ALERT
on...date... windows has found CRITICAL SYSTEM ERRORS

Download registry cleaner from www.clean32.com It also says on the title bar

Messenger Service.....how do I get rid of those messages ?


It sounds like a common scam, but your description is a little
vague about the precise circumstances under which the pop-ups appear.

It's most likely from a very unscrupulous "business." They're
trying to sell you patches that Microsoft provides free-of-charge, or a
useless "product" that will install adware/spyware, and using a very
intrusive means of advertising. It's also demonstrating that your PC is
very unsecure. The presence of that message on your desktop is proof
that your machine is still infested, as the message *is* malware.

What specific kind of pop-ups are you seeing? There are at least
three varieties of pop-ups, and the solutions vary accordingly.

1) Does the title bar of these pop-ups read "Messenger Service?"

This type of spam has become quite common over the past few years,
and unintentionally serves as a valid security "alert." It demonstrates
that the computer user hasn't been taking sufficient precautions while
connected to the Internet. The user's data probably hasn't been
compromised by these specific advertisements, but if he/she's open to
this exploit, he/she may well be open to other threats, such as the
Blaster Worm that swept across the Internet years ago and the Sasser
Worm that followed shortly thereafter, both of which can still be
contacted. Install and use a decent, properly configured firewall.
(Merely disabling the messenger service, as some people recommend, only
hides the symptom, and does little or nothing to truly secure the
machine.) And ignoring or just "putting up with" the security gap
represented by these messages is particularly foolish.

Messenger Service of Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;168893

Messenger Service Window That Contains an Internet Advertisement
Appears
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=330904

Stopping Advertisements with Messenger Service Titles
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/communicate/stopspam.asp

Blocking Ads, Parasites, and Hijackers with a Hosts File
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

Oh, and be especially wary of people who advise the user to do
nothing more than disable the messenger service. Disabling the
messenger service, by itself, is a "head in the sand" approach to
computer security. The real problem is not the messenger service
pop-ups; they're actually providing a useful, if annoying, service by
acting as a security alert. The true problem is the unsecured computer,
and the user's been advised to merely turn off the warnings. How is
this helpful?

2) For regular Internet pop-ups, you might try the free 12Ghosts
Popup-killer from http://12ghosts.com/ghosts/popup.htm, Pop-Up Stopper
from http://www.panicware.com/, or the Google Toolbar from
http://toolbar.google.com/. Alternatively, you can upgrade your WinXP
to SP2, to install IE's pop-up blocker. Another alternative would be
to use another browser, such as Mozilla or Firefox, which has pop-up
blocking capabilities. (But I'd avoid Netscape; it carries too much
extraneous AOL garbage.)

3) To deal with pop-ups caused by any sort of "adware" and/or
"spyware,"such as Gator, Comet Cursors, Xupiter, Bonzai Buddy, or
KaZaA, and their remnants, that you've deliberately (but without
understanding the consequences) installed, two products that are
quite effective (at finding and removing this type of scumware) are
Ad-Aware from www.lavasoft.de and SpyBot Search & Destroy from
www.safer-networking.org/. Both have free versions. It's even
possible to use SpyBot Search & Destroy to "immunize" your system
against most future intrusions. I use both and generally perform
manual scans every week or so to clean out cookies, etc.

Additionally, manual removal instructions for the most common
varieties of scumware are available here:

PC Hell Spyware and Adware Removal Help
http://www.pchell.com/support/spyware.shtml

More information and assistance is available at these sites:

Blocking Ads, Parasites, and Hijackers with a Hosts File
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

The Parasite Fight
http://www.aumha.org/a/parasite.htm

Neither adware nor spyware, collectively known as scumware,
magically install themselves on anyone's computer. They are almost
always deliberately installed by the computer's user, as part of some
allegedly "free" service or product.

While there are some unscrupulous malware distributors out there,
who do attempt to install and exploit malware without consent, the
majority of them simply rely upon the intellectual laziness and
gullibility of the average consumer, counting on them to quickly click
past the EULA in his/her haste to get the latest in "free" cutesy
cursors, screensavers, "utilities," and/or wallpapers.

If you were to read the EULAs that accompany, and to which the
computer user must agree before the download/installation of the
"screensaver" continues, most adware and spyware, you'll find that
they _do_ have the consumer's permission to do exactly what they're
doing. In the overwhelming majority of cases, computer users have no
one to blame but themselves.

There are several essential components to computer security: a
knowledgeable and pro-active user, a properly configured firewall,
reliable and up-to-date antivirus software, and the prompt repair (via
patches, hotfixes, or service packs) of any known vulnerabilities.

The weakest link in this "equation" is, of course, the computer
user. No software manufacturer can -- nor should they be expected
to -- protect the computer user from him/herself. All too many people
have bought into the various PC/software manufacturers marketing
claims of easy computing. They believe that their computer should be
no harder to use than a toaster oven; they have neither the
inclination or desire to learn how to safely use their computer. All
too few people keep their antivirus software current, install patches
in a timely manner, or stop to really think about that cutesy link
they're about to click.

Firewalls and anti-virus applications, which should always be used
and should always be running, are important components of "safe hex,"
but they cannot, and should not be expected to, protect the computer
user from him/herself. Ultimately, it is incumbent upon each and
every computer user to learn how to secure his/her own computer.

To learn more about practicing "safe hex," start with these links:

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/default.asp

Home Computer Security
http://www.cert.org/homeusers/HomeComputerSecurity/

List of Antivirus Software Vendors
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;49500

Home PC Firewall Guide
http://www.firewallguide.com/

Scumware.com
http://www.scumware.com/



--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
 
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Daave

mistral said:
I keep getting popup messages that says "Message from SYSTEM ALERT
on...date... windows has found CRITICAL SYSTEM ERRORS

Download registry cleaner from www.clean32.com It also says on the
title bar

Messenger Service.....how do I get rid of those messages ?

Just in case you didn't see my other post...

Although it's possible you might be (or will become) infected by the
Smitfraud Trojan, I believe you're experiencing Messenger Service spam.
For a detailed explanation, please see:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330904

Here's a quick method to find out if this what's happening in your case:

1. Turn off your PC.
2. Physically disconnect your PC from the Internet
3. Turn your PC back on.

If you stopped getting the pop-ups, it's probably Messenger Service
spam, which isn't necessarily harmful in and of itself (but it's sure
annoying!). However, whatever you do, *NEVER* click on any link
associated with it! *That* action could lead to a malware infection.

Another way to determine this:

1. Click Start, and then click Control Panel (or point to Settings, and
then click Control Panel).
2. Double-click Administrative Tools.
3. Double-click Services.
4. Double-click Messenger.
5. In the Startup type list, click Disabled.
6. Click Stop, and then click OK

Now the above method, although effective, is a poor solution in the long
run because it only treats the symptom but not the cause. Instead you
need to run a properly configured firewall. Windows firewall, although
not the best on the market (and it only blocks inbound traffic, not
outbound), should be enough to protect your PC (and also prevent the
pop-ups you've been getting). Other options include Zone Alarm and
Comodo.

See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/PL2007SECURITY.php#1.10Firewall

http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/

An effective way to determine if your firewall is working properly is to
go to this site:

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

Scroll down and click "Proceed" to have your ports scanned. You'll learn
whether or not you are adequately protected.

In the event you have Smitfraud or some other malware infection, Malke's
post is a wealth of very useful information.

Please post back and let us know how you make out.
 
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Daave

Malke said:
You don't have to trust me. ;-) Since SP2, we here in the field are
seeing very little Messenger service spam. In addition, the specific
products/site that the OP was directed to are known to be related to
Smitfraud variants. But you don't need to believe me - go to
BleepingComputer.com and take a look.

Bleeping Computer removal how-to's -
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum55.html

I searched there as well as other Web sites but couldn't find any
evidence of a pop-up appearing to Messenger Service spam directing
people to that particular Web site being an indication of Smitfraud.

But once an unsuspecting user arrives at that particular rogue site, I'm
aware all bets are off if an executable is downloaded and installed.
Still, I'm with Bruce on this one; I assume it's an unscrupulous
"business" and "product." But I suppose it's possible the setup.exe file
is Smitfraud. Whatever it is, though, it's certainly undesirable!

I hope mistral posts back. First of all, so that he or she fixes this
particular problem. But second, to see which one of us is right. :)
 
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Malke

Daave wrote:
(snip)
I hope mistral posts back. First of all, so that he or she fixes this
particular problem. But second, to see which one of us is right. :)

I don't really care which of us is right in this instance. I don't help
out in the Windows newsgroups as some sort of a contest. Those of us who
help out regularly do our best to give technical help on computers that
we can't see which have problems that are rarely described well. From
the OP's description, I thought it was probable that s/he had a
Smitfraud infection. It could also have been a ZLob variant. Smitfraud
is the more common.

If it turns out to be a simple case of Messenger spam because the OP
didn't apply SP2, fine. Better for him/her. But I'm not in a p*ssing
contest with you or anyone else.


Malke
 
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Daave

Malke said:
Daave wrote:
(snip)


I don't really care which of us is right in this instance. I don't
help out in the Windows newsgroups as some sort of a contest. Those
of us who help out regularly do our best to give technical help on
computers that we can't see which have problems that are rarely
described well. From the OP's description, I thought it was probable
that s/he had a Smitfraud infection. It could also have been a ZLob
variant. Smitfraud is the more common.

If it turns out to be a simple case of Messenger spam because the OP
didn't apply SP2, fine. Better for him/her. But I'm not in a p*ssing
contest with you or anyone else.

I was being lighthearted. I don't care if I'm wrong; I'm genuinely
curious to know what the OP's issue is. I even put a smiley-face at the
end of my last post!

No pissing contest here. I've read your posts and you consistently offer
sound advice.
 
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Guest

TY TY TY

It was the Smitfraud trojan.....downloded the fix....all is back to normal
now.
Thanks a lot guys....ur all very helpful
 
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Daave

mistral said:
TY TY TY

It was the Smitfraud trojan.....downloded the fix....all is back to
normal now.
Thanks a lot guys....ur all very helpful

I'm glad you got it worked out, Mistral, and thanks for posting back.

Malke (and Curt), good call. I'm glad I learned something new. :)
 
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Azagtoth

Just keep on using Internet Explorer. It works great and has no security
holes.

:)

Bob I:
 

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