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Ken Blake, MVP
That's why I don't have an attic or basement.
I'm with her!
That's why I don't have an attic or basement.
I'm with her!
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philo
My daughter lives in the Phoenix area and living there would be
nice...however the 120 F in the summer...to me is worse than -20 F here
in the winter.
I probably could get by without all my "boatanchors" though.
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Ken Blake, MVP
Terrible as 120 sounds, it isn't as bad as you might think.
First of all, such a high temperature is rare.
Secondly, when all the building, houses, cars, etc. are air
conditioned, you don't experience that much heat. You just don't spend
a lot of time outdoors in the summer.
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Andy
And the humidity is low which makes it feel not so hot.
In Seabrook, Texas it's high humidity makes 90 degree weather feel like 120.
Andy
In Seabrook, Texas it's high humidity makes 90 degree weather feel like 120.
Andy
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philo
We usually go there in the winter of course but have been out a few
times in the summer. When I was in the Army I was stationed in the
desert so can handle dry heat pretty well...but that 120 degree temp is
over my limit. One nice thing though...when I do sit out there, my
coffee never seems to cool down!
BTW: I live in Milwaukee and on a humid day I can barely tolerate 85.
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Todd
That gets you the program. The updates (definition files) will be
discontinued. Like having an expired AV running on your machine.
For free AV's, Avira is pretty good. You get saddled with a spyware
toolbar to pay for it. (I put the toolbar into Avira's list of
suspicious programs.)
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Todd
I remember those days too. I hated the things
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BillW50
Yup me too. Lots of sizes and shapes.
I thought about getting a Kaypro back then, but I went the Osborne
Executive route instead. I still have it today somewhere. Although a
friend of mine had a Kaypro II and I know that one very much. I also
have an Epson PX-8 CP/M 2.2 laptop which boots in 1.5 seconds. I also
have Timex Sinclair's, and lots of Commodores too. C=128 were my
favorite Commodore. Very slow for running CP/M though.
Oh I wasn't that far ahead back then. For DOS, I was using a Sharp
PC-4501 laptop. It used a V20 processor and was fully XT compatible and
partly 286 compatible. I maxed that thing out and normally used an
external CGA color monitor with it. By '93, I went the 486 route and got
into Windows 3.1 and OS/2.
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philoÂ
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n't have to worry about XP fading away here anytime soon. ;-)
The Kaypro I have was given to me by a friend. He said it belonged to
his father. The company I worked for was at one time an NLS distributor
and I still had my price sheets and showed him how much a Kaypro cost
new (it had a ten meg HD ). I can't recall the price but I know it was a
few thousand dollars.
My friend then said" Now I know why my mother got so mad."
Well all my stuff I got "after the fact" The last computer I actually
owned prior to 1999 was a TI-99/4
n't have to worry about XP fading away here anytime soon. ;-)
The Kaypro I have was given to me by a friend. He said it belonged to
his father. The company I worked for was at one time an NLS distributor
and I still had my price sheets and showed him how much a Kaypro cost
new (it had a ten meg HD ). I can't recall the price but I know it was a
few thousand dollars.
My friend then said" Now I know why my mother got so mad."
Well all my stuff I got "after the fact" The last computer I actually
owned prior to 1999 was a TI-99/4
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philo
I've known my wife for almost 20 years and have only seen her mad three
times...and this last spell of cold weather was one of them.
What really got her mad was my "good attitude" toward cold weather.
She does understand my aversion to extreme heat and may some day
convince me to move to New Mexico....I am pretty hard to move though.
I am eventually going to get tired of shoveling snow.
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philo
So did I. In 1967 I started college at MSOE and could just not wait to
get into computer programming...but it was so frustrating I just hated it.
Even after I graduated, got a job and went back to school in the late
70's...though there were terminals...punch cards were still the norm.
I really liked that Ti-99/4 . I did more on that in an hour than a week
using the punch cards.
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BillW50
Naw... I mainly use them for entertainment and a refresher course. They
operated so different than today's computers, it is fun to see if I
could do with them as I once did. And it is a really funny feeling, much
like riding a bicycle again in decades. As there is a minute or two at
first everything seems really strange. Then something remarkable happens
and you suddenly recall almost everything you knew before about it. Then
the fascination kicks in and you just experience hours of wow! One is
the dang hardware still works being 30+ years old. And the other you can
still use the silly thing.
Putting them to practical use today? Yes, I suppose you could use them
for a small number of tasks. Online probably wouldn't be one of them. I
don't like them for what they can do for me today, but more for what
they could do for me back then.
Dialup? I do have one free Netzero account (the free account is ad
based) and the last time I checked like a year ago still works. I save
that one for an emergency access to the Internet if modern methods
suddenly fail. I think I actually resorted to it twice in 10 years. I
also have a lifetime account with AOL (I made the deal with them long
before they were known as AOL) and they might still have dialup service
as an option too.
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Paul
All you need to see, is how other people live, and then
you realize your snow shoveling isn't all that bad.
http://knlive.ctvnews.ca/snow-buries-doors-in-newfoundland-as-many-lose-power-1.1619889
That isn't unusual for Newfoundland. I've heard tales before
about snow covering doorways there. The only thing that makes
it bearable, is not all the exits have that much snow piled in
front of them at the same time. But on occasion, people leave
the house via a window, to start the shoveling process. Your
wife would love a story like that
Paul
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BillW50
Oh I don't know about that? Computers from the 70's and 80's of mine
anyway still work just like they did back then. The 90's was a horrible
decade for hardware lasting for me. Lots of mine couldn't last 5 years
(although a few did). And the beginning of 2000's was also tough for
long lasting. Then I ran through a stretch between 2005 to 2009 that
seems like they will make it for decades. Although I don't know if sure
yet obviously.
Then 2010+ it is too soon to tell. Like this Dell Latitude Slate Tablet
seems really rugged. As I am pretty sure I could take it and throw it
like a Frisbee while it is running and I don't think anything would
happen to it in a paved parking lot. It looks beautiful. The screen is
beautiful and the backlight is LED. The screen is made from Corning
Gorilla Glass and after a year of use there is no scratches or anything.
Although I could imagine that either a sharp diamond or a 10lb sledge
hammer could totally do it in. But I don't think I would call it a sure
bet or anything.
Don't think for a second that I am indorsing these things. Sure the
screen is really tough. Sure the casing is really rough. Sure there are
no fans nor vent holes. Sure you could set them on the bed and wrap them
in a blanket and not worry about overheating. All of that is just fine
and good.
The huge problem is that it is so underpowered it is horrible. Although
XP or under should be satisfactory on this machine. Although I never
heard of anybody doing so and I gave it a shot and ran into the SATA
driver problem. Sure I think I could get through that problem, but there
is no other XP drivers for this hardware anyway. Sure I could write my
own (lots of work without documentation). It is just better to buy cheap
and to buy often.
So is all modern stuff unreliable for the long haul? I don't think so.
Some won't last long for sure. But some will last past a lifetime. Also
remember some of the stuff from the past was really unreliable.
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Ken Blake, MVP
You're a youngster!
I started college in 1955. In 1967 I startedmy third programming job (actually I was managing programmers by then,
and doing very little myself).
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philo
All you need to see, is how other people live, and then
you realize your snow shoveling isn't all that bad.
http://knlive.ctvnews.ca/snow-buries-doors-in-newfoundland-as-many-lose-power-1.1619889
That isn't unusual for Newfoundland. I've heard tales before
about snow covering doorways there. The only thing that makes
it bearable, is not all the exits have that much snow piled in
front of them at the same time. But on occasion, people leave
the house via a window, to start the shoveling process. Your
wife would love a story like that
Paul
Thanks for the link...
Things look rather tropical here now!
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philo
The stuff they make now works fine...but there is just something special
about those PS/2's
I have a friend who wrote drivers for HP. I needed some help once but he
would not do it unless paid. Turned out one of the Linux guys had what I
needed and it was a free download.
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philo
You're a youngster!
my third programming job (actually I was managing programmers by then,
and doing very little myself).
1955 was a great year. My dad bought a new Chevy that year!
The place where I worked hired a programmer part time.
He was retired but started in 1948.
Later they hired a kid who "talked it up" to the boss
and he was put in charge. He completely screwed everything up and got fired.
I asked the old timer why he allowed something like that to happen.
He just smiled and said that he wanted to pick up a bit more income.
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Ken Blake, MVP
What did he program in 1948? There were very few computers then.