Lost restore points

[Cheddarhead]

Anyone have any idea when microsoft is going to get around to fixing the
flaw where if you dual boot xp and vista, once you load xp it delets all the
vista restoer points... very annoyinh...\\

Ciao

 

[Rick Rogers]

Hi,

It's likely not going to get fixed. Niether OS was designed for dual
booting, and it's not that common of a practice outside of the geek
community.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

 

[Chad Harris]

Hi Cheddarhead--

We've really covered this extensively on this thread for over a year. It's
exactly as Rick says. Several of us have talked to MSFT about it, and they
felt given their time considerations, and the number of people that dual
boot relative to their users on the planet, and the amount of work that
would have been required to back port to correct the situation that it was
not worth it.

I honestly don't know how much work it would have taken but some people here
might have a better idea.

In the scheme of millions of users dual booting is not as common as it is
for most enthusiasts--probably a lot of the people you know and I know.

I love dual booting because when you've made folders and settings in an OS
that has lasted about 6 years, it saves time and real estate.

This may be redundant for you, but I want to make sure you know you can
shortcut from your Vista desktop to your XP desktop and although you can't
access XP's OE but can merge Outlook easily, you can access any file or
folder on XP from Vista with a couple mouseclicks.

I have also noticed(Win Mail must have undergone some kind of change) that
what I send to Winmail on Vista now shows up in OE mail in XP.

If you're on the Vista desktop (let's say it is on C:\ drive), you can reach
the XP desktop by using

[XP Drive Letter]\Documents and Settings\Cheddarhead's Profile\Desktop

and from your XP Dsktop you can access Vista by using

[Vista Drive Letter]Users\Cheddarhead's Profile\Desktop

This may reduce your need to actually have to boot to XP which I do from
time to time to make sure the AV is running correctly, etc.

If a file is really important, I just drag it from the XP desktop to Vista's
desktop or any folder I want it in. Sometimes I move them around to
different drives if I want more space on one drive and the folder is large.

If you do boot to XP's desktop, when you go back to your Vista boot, as a
reflex create a restore point manually.

Good luck,

CH

 

[will_s]

Hi,

It's likely not going to get fixed. Niether OS was designed for dual
booting, and it's not that common of a practice outside of the geek
community.

With so many applications and hardware not working with Vista dual booting
is becoming a hell of a lot more common and not just in the geek community.

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

I have also noticed(Win Mail must have undergone some kind of change) that
what I send to Winmail on Vista now shows up in OE mail in XP.

What do you mean by this? I would really like to share my OE/WM [newsgroup
only] mailstores between my XP laptop and my Vista Desktop machine, but this
must be impossible. So what do you mean?

ss.

 

[DanR]

Anyone have any idea when microsoft is going to get around to fixing the
flaw where if you dual boot xp and vista, once you load xp it delets all
the vista restoer points... very annoyinh...\\

Ciao

I'm wondering if there is a way to manually save a Vista restore point???
Object would be to save the restore point before booting to XP. I backup my
Vista fairly often but would be nice to do a quick save of a Vista restore
point and then restore the restore point if need be.

 

[Cheddarhead]

I am actually tri-booting on this gateway machine... ubuntu, xp and vista
ultimate...

It just is annoying that it wasnt thought of while vista was being
developed, it really can't be that big of an issue can it? Something a
hotfix worth of man hours couldnt fix???

Thanks

 

[Chad Harris]

ss-

You're quite right. You can't do anything to merge them because they are
different file formats (as you know) is what people from MSFT have told me.
But...

(I can't tell you the time line) I noticed the last few months (and I didn't
do anything to make this happen) that messages I mail to Win Mail's in box
show up in OE's box on XP now. But that wasn't the case for a long
time--though the Betas and my memory is hazy on this so I don't know if
something in RTM Vista changed this.
As to Outlook, you can merge them easily if the accounts are on different
OS's.

On a dual boot machine, I rarely (and I mean for months) don't boot up to XP
because I can access the XP files and desktop from Vista so I have no real
need to. That's why I can't give you a firm time line. The last couple
times I have though, I noticed my Win mail inbox entries in OE--that hadn't
been happening.

I'll try to find out what could have changed this. One of the OE/Win Mail
experts that hang on that group would be more likely to keep up with
anything happening in them.

CH

I have also noticed(Win Mail must have undergone some kind of change)
that what I send to Winmail on Vista now shows up in OE mail in XP.

What do you mean by this? I would really like to share my OE/WM
[newsgroup only] mailstores between my XP laptop and my Vista Desktop
machine, but this must be impossible. So what do you mean?

ss.

 

[Chad Harris]

There are workarounds that are well known. Bit Locker--if Bit Locker is in
your Vista edition is one way to protect the Vista restore points. I have
seen some others mentioned on this group and the setup group if you search
for them.

I know John Barnett has in the past advocated using Tweak UI as an
alternative to Bit Locker encryption, but several sites have posted that
doesn't work.

MSFT has also confirmed that Tweak UI won't do it.

John's article is here:
http://vistasupport.mvps.org/preven...ng_lost_when_dual_booting_with_windows_xp.htm

Bert Kinney's article and methods with 3rd party is here:
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/dualboot.html

Some people have used Acronis 10 or Boot Magic to hide the Vista restore
points.

Others have done this:

Start->run->gpedit.msc-->user configuration > Administrative Templates >
windows components > windows explorer > hide these specified drives in My
Computer

or

Note also that in that section of gpedit.msc there's a "Prevent access to
drives from My Computer," which looks like an even stronger option compared
to "hide these specified drives in My Computer

or

perhaps assigning a drive letter to your Vista partition might work when you
want to boot to XP. Administrative tools -> Computer Management -> Disk
Management, and remove drive letter assignment for the Vista partition?


CH

 

[Chad Harris]

I might add if you have the DVD you can use System Restore from Win RE's
Recovery link--and it's important to emphasize that you have System restore
accessable from F8 (when you have the points all 4 safe modes and one might
work when another doesn't--I see this all the time--and also from the Vista
DVD.

Of course in all cases you have to have the restore point or points to begin
with.

CH

 

[DanR]

I am talking about saving the "restore point" data that exists within Vista
BEFORE booting to XP erases it. If Vista creates a restore point that data
lives on the hard drive. There must be some way to copy that data to some
safe place prior to booting to XP. Then when you boot Vista and need a
restore point you copy that data back to where it would normally live. Has
this ever been discussed?

 

[Bert Kinney]

I'm wondering if there is a way to manually save a Vista restore point???
Object would be to save the restore point before booting to XP. I backup
my Vista fairly often but would be nice to do a quick save of a Vista
restore point and then restore the restore point if need be.

This is not possible. The entire Vista partition would have to be backed up
with with imaging software.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

 

[Chad Harris]

Dan R--

I think it has. We had a lot of discussion and several people dissected
what is going on very well during many of the Beta builds in 2006, and early
in 2007 on this group. If you do a search for system restore you should
find them, except for the limitation of how long some of the posts stay on
the server, and I'm not precise on how long that happens.

You're idea would make sense, except that I don't think it would confer
immunity on the Vista restore points because XP booting will discard them
and it's as Bert says--their would have to be some backing up with imaging
software.

I favor Acronis 10.

CH

 

[Chad Harris]

I posted many times saying the same thing. I said it to MSFT in chats but
they said they weren't going to do it. I'm not a developer--someone who is
would be qualified to say how long it might take them and someone who works
with the teams who make system restore would be best. I have wondered how
much time and trouble but I just don't have a way to know on my own.

CH

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

ss-

You're quite right. You can't do anything to merge them because they are
different file formats (as you know) is what people from MSFT have told
me. But...

(I can't tell you the time line) I noticed the last few months (and I
didn't do anything to make this happen) that messages I mail to Win Mail's
in box show up in OE's box on XP now. But that wasn't the case for a long
time--though the Betas and my memory is hazy on this so I don't know if
something in RTM Vista changed this.
As to Outlook, you can merge them easily if the accounts are on different
OS's.

On a dual boot machine, I rarely (and I mean for months) don't boot up to
XP because I can access the XP files and desktop from Vista so I have no
real need to. That's why I can't give you a firm time line. The last
couple times I have though, I noticed my Win mail inbox entries in
OE--that hadn't been happening.

I'll try to find out what could have changed this. One of the OE/Win Mail
experts that hang on that group would be more likely to keep up with
anything happening in them.

I suspect that you are talking about IMAP mail accounts Chad.

ss.

 

[DanR]

This is not possible. The entire Vista partition would have to be backed
up with with imaging software.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

Do you know why that is? Is the restore data spread out all over the place?

 

[Bert Kinney]

Do you know why that is? Is the restore data spread out all over the place?

The restore data is stored in the System Volume Information folder.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

 

[DanR]

The restore data is stored in the System Volume Information folder.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

Can't the restore data be copied to some place that is safe from XP. Then
when you boot back to Vista you create a dummy restore point and then use
the saved restore data to replace the dummy data. Is the
possible/impossible?

 

[Bert Kinney]

Can't the restore data be copied to some place that is safe from XP.
Then when you boot back to Vista you create a dummy restore point and
then use the saved restore data to replace the dummy data. Is the
possible/impossible?

No, this is not possible.


Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org