Logitech MX1000 bluetooth mouse laggy under Vista?

[kony]

Like the standard 14 gauge speaker wire I use. People swear that
their $300 MonsterCable speaker wire sounds better because they
WANT it to sound better. You claim you can see a nanosecond lag
in a MX700 because you WANT to see it. You're delusional.

[And what does "...a lot of thinks you..." mean?]

How about comparing a 28 gauge subwoofer cable with a 12
gauge?

Now that's just plain silly. Nobody actually uses 28 gauge subwoofer
cable.

.... and nobody with the utmost concern for lag uses a
cordless mouse.

Not at all dissimilar. They illustrate the point that those that
hear a difference in the audio cables do so because they WANT to
hear a difference. Give them a properly administered A/B test, and
the difference magically disappears. Methinks the same thing would
happen to you in a mouse test. You just won't admit it.

Yes I'm familiar with the state of some audiophiles, I
regularly participate in 3 audiophile forums.

What that phenomenon does not explain is those owners who
assumed there would NOT be lag and found a lag. IIRC, I
previously posted a list of some of the wireless mice I
have, I've tried quite a few of them and can tell the
difference.

At this point I'm glad for you, that you can't, and I'm glad
for me, that I am content to disagree and have nothing
further to add.

 

[kony]

That wasnt what was being discussed. What was being discussed was whether
there is any lag noticeable with the BEST wireless mice, not ANY wireless mouse.

<reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs>

1) MX700 isn't the best of modern tech, but was one being
discussed.

2) The "best" wireless mouse improves on MX700 some, but
apples to apples, lags more than the best, or even
less-than-best (in some cases) wired mice.

If you can't tell the difference, good for you.
Arguing over what you can't discriminate and thus, must not
exist, is no consolation to those who did expect their
wireless mouse to do as well, but found it did not.

 

[Rod Speed]

1) MX700 isn't the best of modern tech,

No one ever said it was, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

but was one being discussed.

Wrong, as always.

2) The "best" wireless mouse improves on MX700 some,
but apples to apples, lags more than the best, or even
less-than-best (in some cases) wired mice.

Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to substantiate that claim.

If you can't tell the difference, good for you.

There is no difference.

Arguing over what you can't discriminate and thus, must
not exist, is no consolation to those who did expect their
wireless mouse to do as well, but found it did not.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

I've told you repeatedly how to prove if YOU can detect it, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit
artist.

 

[UCLAN]

Yes I'm familiar with the state of some audiophiles, I
regularly participate in 3 audiophile forums.

What that phenomenon does not explain is those owners who
assumed there would NOT be lag and found a lag.

And this occurred where/when? Who? What software?
Or are you making this up, too?

 

[UCLAN]

1) MX700 isn't the best of modern tech, but was one being
discussed.

And the "blind" posters semi-humorous yarn about his "experiences"
were with a Logitech Mouseman (he thought), not a MX700. And his
lag time was "a little under a second." Sounds like he had the reverb
switched on.

 

[UCLAN]

Again, it is not only a matter of an idealized transmission
speed of air vs wire.

Again? You previously put your eggs in that basket. Now that a little
math shows it ain't so, you say "again" (?) that there are other
factors? Are you sure it isn't the difference in performance between
using a ps/2 connection and a USB connection. Do you pretend to KNOW
what causes this perceived lag that you are "seeing" ??

 

[kony]

Again? You previously put your eggs in that basket. Now that a little
math shows it ain't so, you say "again" (?) that there are other
factors? Are you sure it isn't the difference in performance between
using a ps/2 connection and a USB connection. Do you pretend to KNOW
what causes this perceived lag that you are "seeing" ??

"Again" means I've already written as much in this thread.

Yes I'm sure it's not USB vs PS2.

I'm also sure there's no arguing your way out of the fact
that others who expected their cordless mouse to have no
lag, did also observe it.

If you didn't, maybe your senses are just too dull. Maybe
your ego prevents acceptance your mouse is obsolete from a
performance standpoint. Maybe you just feel like arguing.
It really doesn't matter WHY you can't accept the truth,
because you're free to use whatever mouse you like, as are
the rest of us... even one that is handicapped by being
wireless.

I was going to exit the thread previously, but you seemed so
stuck on the word "again" that I took pity on you. Perhaps
if you had a better mouse, you wouldn't have as much trouble
scrolling back to read the other replies in this thread.

 

[kony]

And this occurred where/when? Who? What software?
Or are you making this up, too?

Have you heard of google? If you can get your mouse working
right, move the cursor over to the Internet Explorer icon.
LOL.

 

[UCLAN]

"Again" means I've already written as much in this thread.

Not in this reality you haven't. Or did it magically disappear from
Google?

If you didn't, maybe your senses are just too dull. Maybe
your ego prevents acceptance your mouse is obsolete from a
performance standpoint.

LOL! You have previously said that you use and like the MX700. Now
you chastise me for having an obsolete piece of equipment! You will
write ANYTHING, won't you?

I was going to exit the thread previously, but you seemed so
stuck on the word "again" that I took pity on you. Perhaps
if you had a better mouse, you wouldn't have as much trouble
scrolling back to read the other replies in this thread.

In no post have you offered ANY explanation for the perceived lag
you "see" in the MX700, except for the difference in speed of a
RF versus wired signal. You STILL haven't. You're delusional.

 

[UCLAN]

Have you heard of google?

Ah, an old dodge with you. Don't have an answer? Just chuckle and say
"have you heard of google?" Just your way of admitting "I'm just blowing
hot air here, so I'll just refer you to google."

If you can get your mouse working right

Same MX700 you have said you like so much, or have you forgotten that?

 

[kony]

Ah, an old dodge with you. Don't have an answer? Just chuckle and say
"have you heard of google?" Just your way of admitting "I'm just blowing
hot air here, so I'll just refer you to google."

Well I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt
instead of just concluding you were an idiot that can't use
google. Thousands of hits and these on only the first
results page:

http://forums.overclockers.co.nz/archive/index.php/t-9163.html
http://forums.tweaktown.com/archive/index.php/t-20142.html
http://www.planetamd64.com/lofiversion/index.php/t28903.html
http://www.earthv.com/articles.asp?ArticleID=703&offset=540

 

[UCLAN]

Well I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt
instead of just concluding you were an idiot that can't use
google. Thousands of hits and these on only the first
results page:

Gee, as many (or more) report no lag than report a lag. Seems to
be an installation issue. If it was a hardware problem, all the
reports would cite a lag. "I haven't noticed any lag when playing
FPS or other games" is a typical comment. Gee, he must be blind.

Among the more humorous quotes, "The G7 hasn't got any lag because
it uses such a high frequency which wouldn't make the slightest
difference to us humans!" Yeah, like the difference in time the
frequency increase makes over a couple of feet in distance really
results in a visible change. Do the math. And "Oh.. one more thing,
do yourself a favor and get one of those high res mouse pads - it
makes a huge difference with either of these mice (mx700, mx100) and
I would assume that to hold true for any optical mouse." Yes, maybe
it would. I like the complaints of "it takes a second or two for the
mouse to resume working after I pick it up." Duh, has nothing to do
about being wireless.

These threads remind me of the audiophile "I can hear a difference..."
threads of past. Those that do swear they're right. Those that don't
swear they're right. I used to think I heard a difference. It was my
hard earned $$$ that I spent doing the talking. I have repented.

The "can not"/"can too" wars continue.

 

[kony]

Gee, as many (or more) report no lag than report a lag. Seems to
be an installation issue.

Nope, but if it makes you happy pretending that, go right
ahead.

 

[trojanfoe]

Sorry for the delay responding - didn't see this thread had exploded
so much. I have helped the problem a little by putting the usb dongle
in one of the front usb sockets, however it really is so sensitive.
There is no more than 2-3m between mouse and usb dongle and they are
in line-of-sight on the same level, and even if I put my knee in the
way the mouse drops out. I can resolve it by holding it in the air
for a few seconds. Getting very very annoying and as the mouse has no
cord it's getting close being smashed against the wall - sod this for
a laugh - I'll go back to a corded mouse and a usb extension cable.

I will try without the SetPoint drivers and see if that helps. I
will also get a usb extension cable and see if I can get the dongle
even closer to the mouse.

Does anything else think this might be a Vista issue rather than a
hardware issue?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Even though this thread has turned into some sort of personal slagging
match between kony and UCLAN, I have kinda solved the problem -- if
anyone's interested... I have used a USB extension lead to put the
dongle higher up... problem solved. Cheers all.

 

[UCLAN]

Nope, but if it makes you happy pretending that, go right
ahead.

Again, you're delusional. More were dissatisfied with resolution
than with "lagginess."

And I see you're back to your old trick of posting URLs not relevant
to your claim. In case you've forgotten, your boast:
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Me: Just as I can't accept that they hear a difference with the audio
cables, a difference they continually cannot correctly identify in
A/B tests. Methinks the same would be true with your mouse vision.

Me: Like the standard 14 gauge speaker wire I use. People swear that
their $300 MonsterCable speaker wire sounds better because they
WANT it to sound better. You claim you can see a nanosecond lag
in a MX700 because you WANT to see it. You're delusional.

Kony: What that phenomenon does not explain is those owners who
assumed there would NOT be lag and found a lag.

Me: And this occurred where/when? Who? What software?
Or are you making this up, too?

Kony: Have you heard of google? If you can get your mouse working
right, move the cursor over to the Internet Explorer icon.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

So, you post several URLs. NONE of which deal with people who took
A/B tests expecting no lag and found a lag. Instead, they are full
of resolution comparisons and reports of lags and *NO LAGS*. Gee,
a gamer using a cordless mouse and reporting no lag. Imagine that.

 

[UCLAN]

Even though this thread has turned into some sort of personal slagging
match between kony and UCLAN, I have kinda solved the problem -- if
anyone's interested... I have used a USB extension lead to put the
dongle higher up... problem solved. Cheers all.

Gee, it wasn't a fault of the device at all.

Hear that, Kony?

 

[kony]

Gee, it wasn't a fault of the device at all.

Hear that, Kony?

Are you suggesting an unrelated product with a different
problem somehow bears on a different disagreement?

If the dongle was not keeping a connection in a reasonable
scenario, might we still conclude it could be a hardware
problem if there is an extraordinar measure (like this
solution) to get it to work?

Regardless, this is a different issue, poor quality
connection is not the only reason for lag. You can be far
from anything using same frequency, have line-of-sight and
no significant amount of metal near the mouse or receiver,
and still perceive some lag on wireless mice. It is not a
long lag like stuttering, and someone with a poor corded
mouse may not notice any difference, but someone with a good
corded mouse, good mousepad, (ideal environment for
apples:apples comparison) and a fast precision-oriented use
may perceive the difference. Take the same cordless mouse,
whose owner is happy with it and notices no lag, then set
another user in front of that system and they may notice
it's not up to par with what they're used to.

If you don't notice a difference, fine. You probably didn't
notice every piece of trash along the road on your last trip
home either, but it doesn't mean there wasn't any.

 

[kony]

Again, you're delusional. More were dissatisfied with resolution
than with "lagginess."

And I see you're back to your old trick of posting URLs not relevant
to your claim.

Actually I posted some links only after you were
deliberately choosing not to search on your own, then you
tried to make an excuse instead of accepting the problem as
the owners stated it- and that only on a mere (4?) hits out
of thousands.

You really think I care whether you agree?
This is getting silly, if you can't tell the difference then
why care? Good luck insisting you're right, I've noticed a
difference and nothing you write will counter that, not even
the nonsense about drivers as they were used on multiple
systems, including a notebook in several different
environments, with different drivers (Intellipoint, Setpoint
and Mouseware) as well as the MS Windows default - all of
which worked fine for the corded mice, as they did for the
cordless too, just with the slight lag that you think is
nonexistant merely because you can't tell the difference.

Oh well, too bad we won't agree. I'll try not to lose sleep
over this.

 

[UCLAN]

Are you suggesting an unrelated product with a different
problem somehow bears on a different disagreement?

[...a couple dozen lines of rationalization snipped.]

LOL! The OP's problem and the OP's product are suddenly irrelevant?

His report of "lagginess" in his original post is what prompted
you to reply "...ALL CORDLESS MICE have an observable lag" and
started the disagreement.

 

[UCLAN]

Actually I posted some links only after you were
deliberately choosing not to search on your own, then you
tried to make an excuse instead of accepting the problem as
the owners stated it- and that only on a mere (4?) hits out
of thousands.

Nice snip. The part you decided to omit:
=====================================================================
In case you've forgotten, your boast:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Me: Just as I can't accept that they hear a difference with the audio
cables, a difference they continually cannot correctly identify in
A/B tests. Methinks the same would be true with your mouse vision.

Me: Like the standard 14 gauge speaker wire I use. People swear that
their $300 MonsterCable speaker wire sounds better because they
WANT it to sound better. You claim you can see a nanosecond lag
in a MX700 because you WANT to see it. You're delusional.

Kony: What that phenomenon does not explain is those owners who
assumed there would NOT be lag and found a lag.

Me: And this occurred where/when? Who? What software?
Or are you making this up, too?

Kony: Have you heard of google? If you can get your mouse working
right, move the cursor over to the Internet Explorer icon.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

So, you post several URLs. NONE of which deal with people who took
A/B tests expecting no lag and found a lag.
==========================================================================

So you see, NONE of your posted URLs supported your claim of people
taking an A/B test expecting no lag, but instead seeing a lag.

Nice try.