Wesley,
Yes you are right I didn't read enough and remember that "AdamT" was the one who had asked the question above. Sorry for this. And I may have taken wrong your "joke" - due to the general atmosphere here and the way I was received after being as kind and helpful as I could.
« Why do you keep changing the Subject line?
That may be part of the problem. »
I don't "change" the subject line [of the thread], I *build* an accurate subject for the *message* (which is *new*) that I am writing. I already answered several times to this (see "Related Messages" below, e.g. my "Here is a BOTTOM POSTING message" below - please follow its links, particularly to "The Failure of Indexing ...", "Top Posting better fits ...." and "Bottom-Posting better if..."), and I don't think at all this could be "part of the problem". Newsgroups were first intended for threaded displays, and every newsreader offers them (e.g. "OE > View > Current View > Group Messages by Conversation"). CompuServe "Forums", even with their low bandwidth (300bps!) and absence of titles, were clear because threaded; InfoWorld (before their destruction by a fanatic hord) were very clear and efficient because threaded and with an accurate title for each message (the Title case was presented empty, and the submision politely declined if that box hadn't been filled). Compare with the series of identical titles with the dreaded "Re: ...." that we suffer now!
Paris, Mon 11 Sep 2006 01:32:15 +0200
----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Wesley Vogel" <
[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: Sent: Sat 9 Sep 2006 14:23:59 -0600 (20:23:59 GMT)
Subject: Re: Not sure why you bring here "AdamT" and "EveT"
Why do you keep changing the Subject line?
Now please realize that the illiterate image you are casting
with such phrases as "Who is AdamT? He married to EveT?",
That was two things. A joke and a question. Maybe they don't allow comedy in France or Belgium or where ever you're from.
I just reread this entire thread. Here is your mention of AdamT.
Do you know how do those different TIFs work, what are their
purposes, what are their differences, e. g. as to
user's rights on them (replying to "AdamT")? BTW I notice:
Who the hell is AdamT? I have no idea who AdamT is or was or what he even has to do with anything.
I just figured out who AdamT is. He was the OP in this thread.
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...8a7382f8512a57a1?tvc=1&hl=en#8a7382f8512a57a1
I thought that I had read the entire thread because I thought that the thread started with: Windows sometimes moves TIFs (Temporary Internet Files).
I thought that THIS was the original post in this thread.
According to Google, it is the fifth message not the first one. It is, however the first one that I can see.
Why do you keep changing the Subject line?
That may be part of the problem.
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Michel Merlin" <
[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: Sent: Sat 9 Sep 2006 12:06:10 +0200 (10:06:10 GMT)
Subject: Not sure why you bring here "AdamT" and "EveT"
Thanks for expanding what you (as everyone) know or guess. I essentially tried to be kind (something apparently beyond what you are able to understand) - and accessorily to eventually learn something really new. Sorry to have just disturbed.
Now please realize that the illiterate image you are casting with such phrases as "Who is AdamT? He married to EveT?", in facts lands more on yourself than on the other. As recalled by an old American saying: trying to show someone's stupidity too often results in showing your own.
If you have nothing to say - then say nothing; and wait for the moment you will post something really useful - which I really think will not be a long wait (this is not sarcasm or irony).
Paris, Sat 9 Sep 2006 12:06:10 +0200
----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Wesley Vogel" <
[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: Sent: Thu 7 Sep 2006 10:49:29 -0600 (16:49:29 GMT)
Subject: Re: How do TIFs (Temporary Internet Files) work?
Who is AdamT? He married to EveT?
Most of the TIFs will be empty except for index.dat and desktop.ini files.
Index.dat files will default to 16 or 32 KB when empty.
As near as I can track down
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files
is used occasionally instead of %userprofile%
when you right click a file and select Send To Mail Recipient.
I can't figure out the rhyme or reason, it is not consistent.
Default Local Disk Folders
Folder Name: Documents and Settings
Contents: Account information for each user who is granted access on the computer. Each user account is represented by a subfolder assigned the user name. Folders under each user account folder include My Documents, Desktop, and Start Menu.
These include:
Documents and Settings\Administrator
Documents and Settings\All Users
Documents and Settings\Default User
Documents and Settings\LocalService
Documents and Settings\NetworkService
Documents and Settings\You
Administrator is for the built in Administrator account.
All Users is used for many things. Your Desktop and Start Menu, for example, display what is in All Users *and* what is in your Desktop and Start Menu folders.
Default User is used when creating new accounts.
The Local Service account is a special built-in account that has reduced privileges similar to an authenticated local user account. The actual name of the account is NT AUTHORITY\LocalService.
The Network Service account is a special built-in account that has reduced privileges similar to an authenticated user account. The actual name of the account is NT AUTHORITY\NetworkService.
The LocalService and NetworkService accounts perform things like synchronizing the time, running services, system maintenance, etc.
From Small Potato.
<quote>
Just for more information, Local Service and Network Service accounts are created for security reasons.
In Windows 2000/NT, system services are launched with "Local System" credential, which has system-wide privilege as Administrator. So if the service was attacked, attackers gain the privilege of Local System can perform system-wide attack.
So Windows XP introduced Local Service and Network Service accounts for system services. Both run with unprivileged "Limited Users" credential instead of having full system rights, but Local Service access Windows network using null sessions, i.e., it uses anonymous credential, while Network Service access Windows network with the computer account, just like Local System.
For more information, you may refer to this article:
The Services and Service Accounts Security Planning Guide
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/topics/serversecurity/serviceaccount/default.mspx
<quote>
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Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Michel Merlin" <
[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: Sent: Thu 7 Sep 2006 08:56:10 +0200 (06:56:10 GMT)
Subject: How do TIFs (Temporary Internet Files) work?
« They are not being moved »
Maybe indeed. Maybe as well they are however, ......
................
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From: "Michel Merlin" <
[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/
[email protected]
Sent: Tue 5 Sep 2006 18:23:30 +0200 (16:23:30 GMT)
Subject: Subject of Thread, Subject of Message, different interfaces to Newsgroups
« And I suggest the opposite. Do *not* change the subject line
of a thread. Most newsgroup participants prefer that
subject lines be left alone. »
I don't *change* the subject of a *thread*. I just *build* the subject of a *message*. And in the 1st place, what is the use of a title if it is the same on each message? Why do you think OE (or any other interface, newsreader or web) offers to build a subject, if it was to bestially and blindly repeat the previous one?
Did you bother reading my 2 posts right above yours ("Please don't divert threads" and "Carefully spell message titles...") and following their links?
Same way, when in a book (like a newsgroup) you read a given chapter (like a thread), are you expecting that each section (like a message) has the same title? Let's imagine (fictive example case built for you out of
http://fixedreference.org/simple/20040501/wikipedia/United_States_of_America):
Chap 26 - United States of America
Re: United States of America
* "America" (can be used for all of North America and South America
* "the United States"
* "USA", "the USA"
* "US", "the US"
* ............
Re: United States of America
* South of Canada
* North of Mexico
* Other parts of the United States of America are other places.
* ................
Re: United States of America
The United States started with the declaration by 13 British colonies in 1776 declaring they were free and independent states. People from many nations live in United States including .............
Re: United States of America
The federal government is explained in the Constitution. There are three branches of government. They are the executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch. State governments work very much like the federal government.
Re: United States of America
The executive branch is the part of the government that makes sure laws are followed. Members of the U.S. Electoral College elect a President who is ....
Re: United States of America
The legislative branch is the part of the government that makes laws. This is the most ..........
Re: United States of America
The judicial branch is the part of government that decides what the laws mean. The judicial branch is made up of the Supreme Court and many lower courts. If the Supreme Court decides that ............
Re: United States of America
Following the European colonization of the Americas, the United States became the world's first modern democracy after its ..............
Re: United States of America
The United States of America consists of 50 states with limited autonomy in which federal law takes precedence over state law. In general, ..............
Re: United States of America
At the time of the Declaration of Independence, the United States consisted of 13 states. In the following years, this number has grown steadily due to ...............
Re: United States of America
etc, etc.............
« Many, if not most, newsgroup participants (me, for example)
do not keep already-read messages, and the original title
will not be visible whether or not threading is enabled. »
First, don't assume everyone is a "Most Vocal Poster"; many, oppositely, read, search and think before posting, thus don't post anything if they haven't read, kept, and reread as many times as requuired, the parent posts of the one to which they reply.
Second, most people even if having habits different than yours, are tolerant to others' (not sure you understand such concept), and spend all the time and pain it requires to make their posts easy to find, read and understand by anyone, including the ones with your particular habits; here, have you by chance noticed that my posts, not only reproduce the Parent Message as most others do, but make them particularly complete (up several levels, often up to the root of the thread), and particularly easy to find and read (clickable links, reformatted body)? Are you advocating that people should spend the less possible time and pain to make (or try) their posts clear and easy to read?
« Finally, the assumption that all newsgroup participants
use Outlook Express is false. »
What is false in the 1st place is the assumption you attribute me, and the (corresponding) one you are making that only OE would be able to make threaded displays of discussions. If you read carefully, you will see that my phrase (which you quoted) carefully and duly started with "OE > ...", showing that the example was in OE - thus implying the reader could be NOT in OE.
Please open your mind and start to think before posting, and everything will go smoother and kinder (and more useful) for everyone (starting with you).
Paris, Tue 5 Sep 2006 18:23:30 +0200
----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Michel Merlin" <
[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/%
[email protected]
Sent: Sun 3 Sep 2006 15:35:50 +0200 (13:35:50 GMT)
Subject: Index vs Subject, Wrap at 64, OE Folder size or compaction
« your ... continuously changing the Subject line »
« set your Plain Text settings to wrap at 76 like you
should »
This confirms that Bruce Hagen not only didn't read the posts of mine he however allows himself to comment and qualify (and even "reply"
), but never really thought of what is at stake there, even after what I recalled in those posts.
Since he won't read what he never read so far, it's useless to explain again. For those unaware I just recall again, in short:
- ask yourself what is a Forum Title and Subject
- ask yourself what is a Thread Subject
- ask yourself what is a Message Title or Subject
- ask yourself what are the "Message-ID" and "References" found
in the header of every message, whether Mail or News;
- ask yourself what was the intent of these items
- ask yourself what is OTOH the way these items are actually
used in real world, why, and with which results, good or bad
- ask yourself what is the use of a "Subject line" when it's the
same in all messages (as is unfortunately the unthought habit
on the web currently); IOW, how efficiently would you read
your newspaper if all articles had the same title (or "Subject
line"), like "Re: [put here the actual title of the 1st
article on the 1st page]"?
- ask yourself what is the use of this:
"OE > Tools > Options > Send > News Sending Format >
Plain Text Settings > Automatically wrap text at |_|
characters, when sending"
if "set your Plain Text settings to wrap at 76"
was the only correct settings ("like you should")?
Personally I intensively use the 2 extreme settings allowed (64 and 132), and I only regret that, here as everywhere else, MS is so deeply thinking one must be stupid to buy MS products, that it forces any MS buyer into reduced ranges as this 64-132 (surely to "protect" the MS buyer against his supposed stupidity).
May I recall here another thing well known from any civilized gentleman: the more you are thoughtful and instructed, the more you guess that others are too; OTOH the more uneducated you are, the more you a priori take others for still more uneducated than you are. Which Charles Darwin resumed this way:
« Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does
knowledge » (in modern words: arrogance more often denotes
ignorance than knowledge).
Continuing parsing BH's authoritative stances (while deeply regretting once more that BH and his fellows so constantly poison the atmosphere as soon as I try nevertheless to write about what I want, no matter how kind and careful I can be):
« if you never compact, you will lose [your messages]
sooner or later »
BH is obviously replying me without reading me: I showed this full wrong in several posts reporting experiences from myself and others - but again, BH allows himself to scorn, disparage, laugh at, my messages, without having read them.
I recall in short: many people have intensively used OE for all their mail and news (and for more in my case), for years (since 1999 for me), and never lost messages. What they seem to have in common is to keep their OE folders in reasonable sizes (under 60MB in my case), and *never* compact. But BH prefers repeat the Urban Legend (i.e. something infinitely repeated while never checked against reality) that corruption would come from refusing compaction.
Paris, Sun 3 Sep 2006 15:35:50 +0200
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From: "Michel Merlin" <
[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/
[email protected]
Sent: Mon 4 Sep 2006 11:19:10 +0200 (09:19:10 GMT)
Subject: Please read b4 posting - and *Group Messages by Conversation*
Robear, before posting, please read the message to which you think you are "answering"; to make it easier for the ones impaired to the point of being unable to "OE > View > Current View > Group Messages by Conversation" (e.g.), I followed the (regrettable) usage of including the Parent Messages. Here, please at least read the Subject, or even only the 1st phrase of that Subject:
Index vs Subject
then in body, read the 7 first "- ask yourself ...". Then please re-read them, *as a regular citizen*, i.e. with 100 times more care, attention, open mind, kindness, than an ordinary journalist or "help" desk staff or MVP.
This (if ever you did it) would save you a few ridiculous posts.
Paris, Mon 4 Sep 2006 11:19:10 +0200
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From: "Michel Merlin" <
[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/
[email protected]
Sent: Wed 6 Sep 2006 10:14:50 +0200 (08:14:50 GMT)
Subject: Here is a BOTTOM POSTING message
« you have a lot to learn »
Yes I have, I always had for 6 decades - which made me pile up some quantity of knowledge - that I try to increase continuously, by still learning more. I hope you "have a lot to learn" as well.
« hardly anyone ever reads or researches before posting, and most
haven't a clue »
Poor opinion on others often denotes poor self baggage. Said Darwin: "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" (in modern words: arrogance more often denotes ignorance than knowledge). IOW: most people spend big time searching, reading, trying, learning, thinking; little time writing; still smaller time posting; so you heard little of them. OTOH, a few spend big time posting, hence little time thinking or learning; hence they don't understand the 1st category, hence they take them for still less knowledgeable than themselves; and of course they are the most visible: the less thought, the more presence. Of which your stance seems just trying to add another proof.
« never make an assumption as you will always assume wrong »
I am sure yourself often make assumptions, and sometimes assume right - just as everyone. The only difference is most people *know and admit* they are making assumptions - with the according high probability of failure.
« top posting is also considered incorrent netique »
Amusing. I switched to Top posting from Bottom posting (that was then the most used in CompuServe) just to please automatic programmed fanatics as yourself, in the times when they were imposing *Top* posting with just the same arguments - that it was the only efficient, the only good netiquette, etc.
Anyway, who can state what is "incorrent netique"? You? a 10 self-appointed guru assembly? Correct netiquette is rather defined by *acts* than words, by *the people* than a small body, official or not. And please open your eyes and look around you, what do you see the most in emails and news posts: bottom posting? or top posting?
Meanwhile see my 2 series of 5 messages on this:
- "The Failure of Indexing - and the odd necessity of recopying parent messages" and its 4 sub-messages
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...560c6/78324db151f9b4e1?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en
- "Top Posting better fits currrent weird situation (plain text, clickable links)" and "Bottom-Posting better if properly opening on Last Message (HTML, with internal Link to Last Message)" with their 4 sub-messages
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...ce39c/f4c61ab2403d7a24?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en
« but even OE can be changed to bottom post, you just gotta know
where to change it »
Yes I remember OE can be set to put the included parent message above (or under) the being-composed body, but I didn't find it back right now (I never used it because I usually bottom-post only in HTML, where I can include an easy link to the Last Message). Which shows the main difference between both of us: in such case I tell the other where is the settings involved. And instead of hostily trying to force others to bend under my own preferences, I try to kindly adapt to theirs; here you can find a *really* bottom posting message - oppositely to yours (please compare messages' orders and easinesses to find and read). For me, netiquette is about being helpful, kind, useful, efficient, pleasant, easy, clear, tolerant, adaptative.
Paris, Wed 6 Sep 2006 10:14:50 +0200
