live onecare turns windows defender off?

[hugo]

Hi,

I noticed that live onecare turns windows defender off. Is this normal?

thanks
hugo

 

[Guest]

Yes, it is.

 

[John Barnett MVP]

Yes it is perfectly normal

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[Amrykid]

yes, I learned that and it also turns of windows firewall.

 

[StephenB]

Yes, it is.

For the record, this confuses many people. We've passed feedback on to the
OneCare team that they really need to provide some sort of dialog about this
within OneCare.
-steve

 

[JerryM \(ID\)]

Windows One Care also installs a new 2 way firewall in place of the Windows
1 way firewall.

yes, I learned that and it also turns of windows firewall.

<Snip>

 

[Richard]

The Defender Team dropped the ball on this bad, real bad. Their blog shows
they know about it but still have not acted to help avoid user confusion.

An independent Defender install is pushed by Microsoft. Then Microsoft
integrated a different version into LiveOneCare. That new utility turns off
the independent Defender. All without any notice to the user that it is
LiveOneCare performing this act. It behaves just like a worm or a virus;
turning off the user's security utilities. Many hours have been wasted by
users because of this failure to communicate what is going on to the user.
In my opinion heads should roll.

Richard.

 

[Jdr]

Hi,

I noticed that live onecare turns windows defender off. Is this normal?

thanks
hugo

Could this be the reason of 329 Critical objects discovered by
Ad-Aware SE in my Vista Ult?

Jdr

 

[Guest]

So here I am trying desperatly to turm on Firewall and defender each time
Live OneCare turns it off - what was I wrong? Better to leave Live OneCare 2
way firewall on??? and Defender??? I suppose I can keep turning it on.

Wish MS team would let you know, like CA, and most of the other Virus
Protection software. There I thought I was being loyal.

Bit tired - do not need heart attack knee jerk' reactions to warnings!!

Hey, but Vista is great - been ther since Beta, then Beta 2 and RC 1 and now
Unlitame - yep very nice.

 

[John Barnett MVP]

Windows firewall in Vista is two way, not one way. What are you actually
getting for your OneCare subscription? In a nut shell, Anti Virus. Vista
already contains a firewall, windows defender and windows defragmenter. What
other options OneCare offers isn't worth having.

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[StephenB]

Windows firewall in Vista is two way, not one way. What are you actually
getting for your OneCare subscription? In a nut shell, Anti Virus. Vista
already contains a firewall, windows defender and windows defragmenter. What
other options OneCare offers isn't worth having.

That's a legitimate opinion, of course. What OneCare provides is a wrapper for
security and maintenance of a PC that is designed to be simple to use. If you
install a different antivirus product and use either Vista's built-in functions
or 3rd party products and then configure, maintain, and run them regularly, you
don't need OneCare. OneCare should be a set it and forget it application for
tune-up, a/v, antispyware, and firewall.
In addition, while the Vista firewall is two way, it isn't as easy to configure
as the OneCare firewall which is built on the Vista firewall.
-steve

 

[StephenB]

Could this be the reason of 329 Critical objects discovered by
Ad-Aware SE in my Vista Ult?

Jdr

It is likely that most, if not all, of those critical objects are tracking
cookies. OneCare (and Defender) don't deal with cookies, while Ad-Aware and
similar programs will report them as critical and also deal with them for you.
-steve

 

[StephenB]

The Defender Team dropped the ball on this bad, real bad. Their blog shows
they know about it but still have not acted to help avoid user confusion.

An independent Defender install is pushed by Microsoft. Then Microsoft
integrated a different version into LiveOneCare. That new utility turns off
the independent Defender. All without any notice to the user that it is
LiveOneCare performing this act. It behaves just like a worm or a virus;
turning off the user's security utilities. Many hours have been wasted by
users because of this failure to communicate what is going on to the user.
In my opinion heads should roll.

Richard.

Thanks for your feedback. In the OneCare forum and in communication with the
OneCare team, we've discussed that OneCare really needs to improve the way it
handles disabling the XP/Vista Firewall and Defender. It confuses too many
people and there is nothing in the OneCare installation that tells you what to
expect. I wouldn't blame it on the Defender team, the design of OneCare was
probably reviewed with the people working on Defender, but the interface of
OneCare is the responsibility of the OneCare team.
Do note, however, that the engine and signatures used by standalone Defender and
OneCare come from the same anti-malware group within Microsoft. The difference
is in the user interface. The protection is the same. What is lost by using
OneCare over Defender are the extras included in Defender and it is my
understanding that the OneCare team is evaluating the inclusion of these
utilities within the OneCare interface.
-steve

 

[hugo]

Is there a timeline for onecare 2.0? summer,winter, 2008?

 

[StephenB]

Is there a timeline for onecare 2.0? summer,winter, 2008?

It may be as early as April for a beta, according to reports in the press a few
weeks back.
-steve

 

[Guest]

That's a legitimate opinion, of course. What OneCare provides is a wrapper for
security and maintenance of a PC that is designed to be simple to use. If you
install a different antivirus product and use either Vista's built-in functions
or 3rd party products and then configure, maintain, and run them regularly, you
don't need OneCare. OneCare should be a set it and forget it application for
tune-up, a/v, antispyware, and firewall.
In addition, while the Vista firewall is two way, it isn't as easy to configure
as the OneCare firewall which is built on the Vista firewall.
-steve
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Stephen Boots
MVP Windows Live
Windows Live OneCare Forum Moderator
(e-mail address removed)

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the information, it was helpfulf. So before the open IE, should I
make sure that Windows Firewall is on? I mean I want to be sure that I get
the protection?
And what about using Norton 360 on top of OneCare and the protection given
by Vista?
Thanks!

 

[StephenB]

Thanks for the information, it was helpfulf. So before the open IE, should I
make sure that Windows Firewall is on? I mean I want to be sure that I get
the protection?
And what about using Norton 360 on top of OneCare and the protection given
by Vista?
Thanks!

The Windows Firewall will be on by default until after you install OneCare.
No, you should *never* use more than one active antivirus scanning solution at
the same time as this could cause performance issues or unexpected results.
-steve