LiteOn USB DVB-T TV Tuner

[Bob]

http://tinyurl.com/aeo7f/

What is this device?

What is DVB-T?


--

"One must realize that the world is a network of real and virtual
combat zones where the stakes are high, struggle is the primary
mode of being and only total victory is acceptable.
-- Sun Tzu, "The Art Of War"

 

[Bill G]

http://tinyurl.com/aeo7f/

What is this device?

What is DVB-T?

(What's with the crossposting?)


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

DVB-T stands for Digital Video Broadcasting - Terrestrial and it is
the DVB European consortium standard for the broadcast transmission of
digital terrestrial television. This system transmits an MPEG-2 family
digital audio/video stream, using OFDM modulation with concatenated
channel coding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T

 

[Bob]

(What's with the crossposting?)

Why not? It's the way to get the largest discussion going.


--

"One must realize that the world is a network of real and virtual
combat zones where the stakes are high, struggle is the primary
mode of being and only total victory is acceptable.
-- Sun Tzu, "The Art Of War"

 

[kony]

Why not? It's the way to get the largest discussion going.

.... because it wastes usenet resources and interests, even
encourages trollisms.

No matter what topic was being addressed, a poster could
conceivable post to a dozen groups every time if they only
followed the idea of posting to get most attention. The
result would be all groups swamped with posts and none of
them having the resources (people) willing to devote the
time to them all. There would be multiple redundant replies
on some and others not even answered. Put simply, it goes
against smooth function of usenet in general, especially for
basic topics or when posted to several goups.

 

[Bill G]

Why not? It's the way to get the largest discussion going.

In that case, why stop at 5 groups? You've been around long enough to
know better.

 

[GraB]

In that case, why stop at 5 groups? You've been around long enough to
know better.

What is your problem with that? The alternative, to find enough
knowledgeable people to answer, would be to post individual messages
in the separate groups. By crossposting to multiple relevant groups
way we all get to see the answers, if someone from another groups has
it.

 

[Paul Hyett]

In rec.video.dvd.tech on Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Bob wrote :

Why not? It's the way to get the largest discussion going.

Why not uk.media.dvd too, then?

 

[Bob]

Why not uk.media.dvd too, then?

The US market is different from the British market.


--

"One must realize that the world is a network of real and virtual
combat zones where the stakes are high, struggle is the primary
mode of being and only total victory is acceptable.
-- Sun Tzu, "The Art Of War"

 

[Bob]

What is your problem with that? The alternative, to find enough
knowledgeable people to answer, would be to post individual messages
in the separate groups. By crossposting to multiple relevant groups
way we all get to see the answers, if someone from another groups has
it.

Exactly.


--

"One must realize that the world is a network of real and virtual
combat zones where the stakes are high, struggle is the primary
mode of being and only total victory is acceptable.
-- Sun Tzu, "The Art Of War"

 

[Bob]

In that case, why stop at 5 groups?

Because I decided that these were the only relevant groups. If I
thought there were more, then I would have included them.

You've been around long enough to know better.

Better than what? There is nothing wrong with crossposting as long as
the groups are all relevant.


--

"One must realize that the world is a network of real and virtual
combat zones where the stakes are high, struggle is the primary
mode of being and only total victory is acceptable.
-- Sun Tzu, "The Art Of War"

 

[kony]

What is your problem with that? The alternative, to find enough
knowledgeable people to answer, would be to post individual messages
in the separate groups.

Nope, the alternative is to post in one or two of the most
on-topic, relevant groups... particularly when the topic
isn't very specialized or obscure.

By crossposting to multiple relevant groups
way we all get to see the answers, if someone from another groups has
it.

Exactly, but "all get to see" is not a positive thing.
It's an incredible amount of noise degrading the function of
any and all groups, a waste of bandwidth and strain on news
servers as well.

If you want to see information on a given topic, frequent
that specific newsgroup. It meets all goals better than
having tons of loosely related posts redundantly flooding
everywhere.

Many of the more experienced posters will not answer
messages cross-posted to too many groups, it can actually
decrease the quality of responses and you'll get people with
limited knowledge on the topic "volunteering" information
with those who know more, not reading it at all.

In short, there's a reason why there are some many separate
groups, exactly and specifically to keep posts isolated to
appropriate topics and cut down on traffic.

 

[kony]

Because I decided that these were the only relevant groups. If I
thought there were more, then I would have included them.


Better than what? There is nothing wrong with crossposting as long as
the groups are all relevant.

yes there is

You want the luxury of doing something that will cause
problems if everyone did it. The vast majority of people
who read your post would not have spent the time sifting
through the group till they got to it if all the (other)
posts were put in every related group. There would be
thousands of posts per group per day and few if any
participants are willing to spend that much time wading
through it all.

 

[Bob]

yes there is

You want the luxury of doing something that will cause
problems if everyone did it.

Then be thankful everyone does not do it.


--

"One must realize that the world is a network of real and virtual
combat zones where the stakes are high, struggle is the primary
mode of being and only total victory is acceptable.
-- Sun Tzu, "The Art Of War"

 

[Bob]

Nope, the alternative is to post in one or two of the most
on-topic, relevant groups... particularly when the topic
isn't very specialized or obscure.

That's precisely when you need to post it to as many groups as
possible within the limits of relevancy.

If I have a hard drive problem, I am not going to post it to DVD
forums. But if I have a question that relates both to hardware in
general and DVDs in particular, I will post it to both the hardware
and DVD groups, especially when it is obscure.

The purpose of Usenet is to share as much information as possible
within the confines of relevancy. If that involves crossposting now
and then, then so be it. If you do not want to participate in a topic,
then don't open the posts.

What you want is for everyone to post only those things that interest
you, so you do not have to root thru all the posts that do not
interest you. May I recommend you start your own forum, call it
<alt.comp.hardware.kony>. Then you won't have to put up with the
inconvience of other people posting things that interest them and not
you.





--

"One must realize that the world is a network of real and virtual
combat zones where the stakes are high, struggle is the primary
mode of being and only total victory is acceptable.
-- Sun Tzu, "The Art Of War"

 

[kony]

That's precisely when you need to post it to as many groups as
possible within the limits of relevancy.

No, because with such basic questions there are ever-more
groups that fall under this potential "relevancy" idea.

If I have a hard drive problem, I am not going to post it to DVD
forums. But if I have a question that relates both to hardware in
general and DVDs in particular, I will post it to both the hardware
and DVD groups, especially when it is obscure.

Two groups is not excessive, and it is a more specifc
situation (most likely) in above mentioned scenario.

The purpose of Usenet is to share as much information as possible
within the confines of relevancy.

Yes and in doing so a few conventions help to keep the
system working well. If it was just some vague concept of
"share information" then why not post the entire
encyclopedia every day? Why not just jump all the
alt.comp.%%%% groups into one huge group them? That's
certainly more "sharing" but there's good reason why that's
not how it's set up.

If that involves crossposting now
and then, then so be it. If you do not want to participate in a topic,
then don't open the posts.

I also don't want to download excessively cross-posted
topics nor have longer news server wait times because of it,
nor to have to skim through the thousands of posts.

You really haven't thought this through much... just about
any post you see here could theoretically be relevant to
several groups. That's dozens of times, perhaps 100s of
times as many posts to the more general-purpose groups. It
would essentially make them ineffective.

What you want is for everyone to post only those things that interest
you, so you do not have to root thru all the posts that do not
interest you.

Nope, has nothing to do with what I may or may not be
interested in, rather what does and doesn't work well on
usenet. The whole reason why your posts get seen by a large
% of participants is because the traffic is moderate. It
remains moderate because posts are made to the most relevant
group(s), not just any that might be related in some loose
way.

May I recommend you start your own forum, call it
<alt.comp.hardware.kony>. Then you won't have to put up with the
inconvience of other people posting things that interest them and not
you.

Do tell us what a USB DVB-T TV Tuner has to do with the
following groups?

alt.video.dvd,alt.video.dvd.tech,rec.video.dvd.tech,rec.video.dvd.players

???

It's not DVD, it's a USB tuner. Off-topic

I'm not reading those groups but I'm still opposed to
excessive cross-posting to them. It's not at all a matter
of what I dont' want to read.

 

[Paul Hyett]

In rec.video.dvd.tech on Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Bob wrote :

The US market is different from the British market.

But the thread title refers to the Lite On unit, which you know is
available in Britain, as I have one.

 

[GraB]

yes there is

You want the luxury of doing something that will cause
problems if everyone did it. The vast majority of people
who read your post would not have spent the time sifting
through the group till they got to it if all the (other)
posts were put in every related group. There would be
thousands of posts per group per day and few if any
participants are willing to spend that much time wading
through it all.

I think your pants are on fire. Not many posts are of the nature that
require crossposting so your scenario doesn't occur. Crossposting
doesn't cause me any prolblems so what's your problem?

 

[Bob]

nor to have to skim through the thousands of posts.

Hysterical hyperbole - typical of women.

And all this time I did not know you were a woman.

Good disguise.

 

[Bob]

But the thread title refers to the Lite On unit, which you know is
available in Britain, as I have one.

I thought you were asking why I do not subscribe to that forum. The
reason I do not subscribe to that forum is because the US market is
different from the British market. However, in this instance there may
have been some relevance, but since I do not subscribe to that forum,
I did not post to it.

 

[Bob]

I think your pants are on fire. Not many posts are of the nature that
require crossposting so your scenario doesn't occur. Crossposting
doesn't cause me any prolblems so what's your problem?

Ms. Kony posts here so often she imagines that this is her forum. So
she fusses like a wet hen when someone transgresses according to her
rules.

Either that or she is having a bad hair day.