Liquid Cooling

[Martin Racette]

I have a Gigabyte MA790FTX-UP5D

And there is no holes, even on those that you refer to me there is no holes
at all, at least I can not see them

 

[Martin Racette]

I hate Yahoo, and beside I can never find anything that is of any relevance,
all I ever get when I check for review is a bunch of links to car,
motocycle, etc ... but nothing for computer and much less for a fan, and if
I search for fan well I let you imagine what I get, and it is not for
computers

 

[JR Weiss]

Are you sure it's not a Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P?

If it is, it certainly does have the 4 mounting holes, likely filled
right now with 4 screws, which are holding down a blue plastic spacer
that surrounds the CPU socket, like the picture here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowI...790FXT-UD5P ATX DDR3 AMD Motherboard - Retail

I suggest you not even attempt to replace the cooler. You apparently
do not have the technical insight or physical ability to do it.

 

[JR Weiss]

OK...

I went to Yahoo and did a quick search on CPU cooler AM3. The first
reference listed is to the tomshardware forum where a recommendation is
made and extracts of review comparison charts are shown. That is
followed by several shopping sites where several coolers are listed.
If you can't start a reasonable search from those, you probably
shouldn't be taking apart your computer.

 

[david]

I just checked the images from the installation for the one that you
just sent me below, and there is need to drill, otherwise how else do
the screws goes trough the motherboard.

You can't just drill holes in the motherboard. You obviously don't know
what you're doing, you should take it to someone that does.

 

[JR Weiss]

Does Borat Sagdiyev mean anything to you?

Yes...

 

[Bob]

I do have web access, but Google is lock by ISP, since they are using
Yahoo, we can not use anything else but their search

I wonder what else they won't let you use? Get any other ISP.

 

[Rarius]

Humidity actually does make a difference. Convective heat transfer
increases with increasing humidity.

True, but the effect is rather minor.

Rarius

 

[Martin Racette]

You are saying that the holes are the blue plastic, so the holes are not
available for the new fan, and since there is already a bracket to hold the
fan why can not they use it

Yes you are right, I just mix a few of the letters, that is exactly the
motheboard

And I have you know that I build all of my computers for the last 20 years,
but I use only once another fan than the one that is supply with the CPU,
and that CPU cooked in matter of days, but now I am being told that my CPU
is too hot to be running normally, the idle temperature is about 42C, and
when I use FSX it get to about 52C, and with the latest heatwave it did went
past 60C from time to time

 

[Rarius]

You are saying that the holes are the blue plastic, so the holes are not
available for the new fan, and since there is already a bracket to hold
the fan why can not they use it

The spacer is there for the stock HSF... 3rd party ones don't need it so
you can remove it and use the holes as intended.

And I have you know that I build all of my computers for the last 20
years, but I use only once another fan than the one that is supply with
the CPU

Even though you've been building PCs for 20 years, the fact that you've
only ever used one 3rd party cooler signals to me that you are
obviously not an expert. The fact that you were talking about drilling
holes through your motherboard also makes me wonder if you are qualified
to be building a PC!

Several people have explained the situation and yet you still don't seem
to grasp that 3rd party HSFs are perfectly easy to fit and are usually
(not always) better than the ones that come with the CPU.

I am being told
that my CPU is too hot to be running normally, the idle temperature is
about 42C, and when I use FSX it get to about 52C, and with the latest
heatwave it did went past 60C from time to time

Who is telling you that that temperature is too hot? Most CPUs will run
OK up to 70C+. A range from 42C-60C is perfectly reasonable.

Rarius

 

[JR Weiss]

Yes, they are available, because the mounting bracket for a new cooler
will replace the stock spacer.

Go to Intel and/or AMD and download & read a few of their CPU reference
manuals. They are full of useful information, including maximum mass
limits for CPU coolers using stock components. More effective coolers
have bigger, heavier, more effective heat sinks, so they require
dedicated brackets to ensure the motherboard is not overstressed.

Did you properly apply the thermal conductive paste between the CPU and
heat sink when you did your last one?

WHO is telling you that 42C idle and 52-60C under load is too hot under
your ambient conditions?!? Do you not believe the manufacturers who
CONSERVATIVELY rate their CPUs at 70-72C and their laptop CPUs at
100C+?!?

If you want to replace the stock cooler with a better one, that's fine.
Whils your current temps are well within spec, there is nothing wrong
with having a few more degrees of margin. However, you do not appear
to have the required knowledge and understanding of the parts or the
process, and are certainly not prepared to deal with water cooling!

 

[The Seabat]

Just as an aside, do you spell Racette as S*K*Y*B*U*C*K ??

 

[peter]

Ok..so now that we have the mounting of the new CPU heatsink/fan out of the
way(hopefully)
I thought I would put in my .02c worth.
Take a look at the line of Thermalright CPU coolers for the Chipset you are
using.
These in my humble opinion are the best........Any one of them will lower
you CPU temps by at least 4 to 5
degrees.Pick any of the models and do a search...with whatever search engine
you like..try Bing
Look at the reviews and you will see that almost no one beats
thermalright....and yes they cost a little more and you need to buy a
fan to go with it as most of the thermalright models do not come with a
fan....BUT they do come with excellent installation instructions
with pictures and all...
http://www.thermalright.com/
That extremely expensive case you are using has 5 12cm Fans with the
capability to add another 5
You most likely have it setup like it came from the Factory with 3 pulling
hot air out the back and 2 pushing
cool air in from the front....I would suggest you add another fan to the
front and experiment with the back fan placement.
I see by the diagrams where the fans go but cannot relate that to mobo
placement...are they in the same "Thermal Chamber"?
When was the last time you cleaned the filters??
How many mobo are in the case?? How many Power Supplies?? are you using an
8cm Fan in that little spot??
Your Temps are not bad for the room temp that you claim...

peter

 

[Martin Racette]

For search engine I used to use Microsoft Live Search, but I can not find it
anymore so I do not use any

There are no filter on that case but the inside is being vaccumed clean
every week and the CPU cooler sprayed with compress air at the same time

I do not understand your question about how many motherboard, there is only
place for one

As for the power supply, I use only one but it is a ThermalTake 1200W (the
modular type)

@8cm fan in that little spot@, What do you mean, which spot ?

Well I have been told that the temperature are way too high and that is the
reason why FSX freeze after about 1hrs in flight (it is just FSX that
freezes, as I can switch to another user to use the taskmanager to close
FSX, and then the original user desktop is back again)

BTW what kind of fan do you suggest to buy with these coolers

PS. I live in Canada, and therefore not everything is available on this side
of the border, if it can not be bought trough Newegg.ca or TigerDirect.ca,
then it can not be bought in the USA and shipped to Canada

 

[Rarius]

For search engine I used to use Microsoft Live Search, but I can not
find it anymore so I do not use any

Try Bing.com or Yahoo.com search engines. I would also have a very
serious talk with my ISP if they blocked Google from me!

Well I have been told that the temperature are way too high and that is

the reason why FSX freeze after about 1hrs in flight (it is just FSX
that freezes, as I can switch to another user to use the taskmanager to
close FSX, and then the original user desktop is back again)

Again, I ask you, who is telling you this crap? I suspect the FS support
staff trying to dodge the blame!

If FSX runs OK for an hour before failing, and the PC as a whole has not
crashed, then I seriously doubt overheating is the problem.

Overheating would not cause one application to crash. The OS would crash
too. An overheating PC will crash totally or not at all.

I would look at your graphics card. Check that you have the best (not
necessarily the latest) drivers. Also you might want to vaccuum/blow the
HSF on the graphics card too. I doubt thats the problem, but it all helps.

BTW what kind of fan do you suggest to buy with these coolers

Many 3rd party HSFs come with integrated fans. Those that don't usually
accept standard 80mm or 120mm fans. Noctua are usually thought to be the
best fans on the market.

PS. I live in Canada, and therefore not everything is available on this
side of the border, if it can not be bought trough Newegg.ca or
TigerDirect.ca, then it can not be bought in the USA and shipped to Canada

I am sure there are other canadian parts suppliers. A quick Google came
up with ncix.com, directcanada.com and several others.

Personally I like ArcticCooling products. I have the Freezer 7 Pro. Here
is the AM2 version of the same cooler
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185125 Note that
it comes with an integral fan!

Rarius

 

[peter]

I also live in Canada and do a lot of business with NCIX

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26000&vpn=HR-01 Plus&manufacture=Thermalright

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26743&vpn=DFS123812L-2000&manufacture=Scythe

peter

 

[Martin Racette]

Can some explain to me why all those cooler are not even in contact with the
CPU, they are all holding a few inches above the CPU on those poles

 

[Chris S.]

HUH?

Can some explain to me why all those cooler are not even in contact with
the CPU, they are all holding a few inches above the CPU on those poles



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Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin

 

[Martin Racette]

just look at the pictures of all of those cooler, there is a little plate
that do touch the CPU, but the part where the fan is, is hanging a few
inches above that little plate, so how come are tehy working better than the
ones that come with the CPU and the whole cooler is in contact with the CPU

 

[SteveH]

just look at the pictures of all of those cooler, there is a little
plate that do touch the CPU, but the part where the fan is, is
hanging a few inches above that little plate, so how come are tehy
working better than the ones that come with the CPU and the whole
cooler is in contact with the CPU

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Try reading up on heatpipe coolers