Linux LiveCD *does* come in handy, I have to admit just once

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Shadow

I was talking to this hacker who claims he can break into any computer
in the world, etc etc. Being a junior programmer myself I could not say
I believed him 100%, though he was more of a low-level machine language
guy like you so maybe he knows tricks that are not even published in
mainstream media. Of interest though is that he said there is no
difference between black hat and white hat hackers--they both are the
same thing. I've heard the same thing about crooks and police in a
cynical context.
A white hat reveals the exploits, so they can be corrected. A
black hat exploits them, or sells them, for profit (money or fame). Both
have the same skills, but not the same morals.
WTF does comp.os.linux.advocacy and comp.os.linux.setup have to
do with malware ?
So Dustin, in your retirement you could supplement your income by
working for the mafia being a black hat hacker instead of wasting your
time here. Or, in lieu of your "I'd buy that" comment, maybe you already
do?
He has admitted to being a blackhat, years ago. White hat now, or
maybe a grey hat (has fun studying the exploits, but does not use them
for profit or pass them on)
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Dustin

I was talking to this hacker who claims he can break into any computer
in the world, etc etc. Being a junior programmer myself I could not

My bad. You quoted me. I took that as a reply to me. And , occasionally,
we seem to be wiseasses towards one another. Apologies for my
assholiness.
published in mainstream media. Of interest though is that he said
there is no difference between black hat and white hat hackers--they
both are the same thing. I've heard the same thing about crooks and
police in a cynical context.

Well.. in a cynical sense, he's right. It's a matter of ethics. Blackhat
vs whitehat. same skills between both. Just one is more willing to do ..
shall we say, less than above board for the results. [g]
time here. Or, in lieu of your "I'd buy that" comment, maybe you
already do?

Tsk Tsk... [g]


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FromTheRafters

Dustin said:
I was talking to this hacker who claims he can break into any computer
in the world, etc etc. Being a junior programmer myself I could not

My bad. You quoted me. I took that as a reply to me. And , occasionally,
we seem to be wiseasses towards one another. Apologies for my
assholiness.
published in mainstream media. Of interest though is that he said
there is no difference between black hat and white hat hackers--they
both are the same thing. I've heard the same thing about crooks and
police in a cynical context.

Well.. in a cynical sense, he's right. It's a matter of ethics. Blackhat
vs whitehat. same skills between both. Just one is more willing to do ..
shall we say, less than above board for the results. [g]

Black, or white?

Suppose you worked for your government to fight terrorism, and you were
working on a targeted worm to infiltrate their systems. Then, you
discover a wormable exploit that you can use as an auto distribution
mechanism. Do you do the responsible disclosure thing or do you sit on
that information until after infiltration?

White Hat is "Ethical Hacker" but it would still depend on your sense of
ethics.
 
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ASCII

FromTheRafters said:
Black, or white?

Suppose you worked for your government to fight terrorism, and you were
working on a targeted worm to infiltrate their systems. Then, you
discover a wormable exploit that you can use as an auto distribution
mechanism. Do you do the responsible disclosure thing or do you sit on
that information until after infiltration?

White Hat is "Ethical Hacker" but it would still depend on your sense of
ethics.

In the vein of "one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist"
Isn't that what guided the efforts to develop and distribute 'Stuxnet'?
 
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RayLopez99

Dustin said:
(e-mail address removed):
My bad. You quoted me. I took that as a reply to me. And , occasionally,
we seem to be wiseasses towards one another. Apologies for my
assholiness.
Well.. in a cynical sense, he's right. It's a matter of ethics. Blackhat
vs whitehat. same skills between both. Just one is more willing to do ...
shall we say, less than above board for the results. [g]

Black, or white?

Suppose you worked for your government to fight terrorism, and you were
working on a targeted worm to infiltrate their systems. Then, you
discover a wormable exploit that you can use as an auto distribution
mechanism. Do you do the responsible disclosure thing or do you sit on
that information until after infiltration?

White Hat is "Ethical Hacker" but it would still depend on your sense of
ethics.

Good point. And also if you are a White Hat for Israel you are, by
definition, a Black Hat for all of Israel's enemies. And vice versa.
The UK rocket scientist who was helping Iraq develop a high-powered
near ballistic artillery piece was assassinated by Mossad, the Israeli
secret service. Bell was his name, without Googling it. OK I did
Google it and he was Canadian living in Belgium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull

RL
 
K

kurt wismer

Good point.  And also if you are a White Hat for Israel you are, by
definition, a Black Hat for all of Israel's enemies.

sorry, i can't agree. when you enter the realm of cyber-warfare (where
your actions are good for your country but bad for others) then you
are not a white-hat. at best you are a grey-hat.

ethical warfare? please. sometimes doing bad things is necessary, but
lets not dress them up as good things.
 
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Dustin

White Hat is "Ethical Hacker" but it would still depend on your
sense of ethics.

As well as the conditions in which you find yourself in. IE: the example
you provided.


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Dustin

:
sorry, i can't agree. when you enter the realm of cyber-warfare
(where your actions are good for your country but bad for others)
then you are not a white-hat. at best you are a grey-hat.

Hi Kurt.. Long time...
ethical warfare? please. sometimes doing bad things is necessary,
but lets not dress them up as good things.

I wasn't even attempting to do so.




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FromTheRafters

kurt said:
yup, about 2 years according to the index.


i don't think i suggested otherwise. certainly didn't intend to.

Hi kurt. Maybe RayLopez99 is "invisible" to Dustin and it looked (to
him) like you were responding to him. I, myself, wondered about Dustin's
response.
 
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Dustin

yup, about 2 years according to the index.

Glad to see you're still around. I just lost a good friend in RL to
cancer yesterday morning... So, I'm really glad to have heard from you
yesterday.


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(Hey) My ship is sinking but it's
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You've got me thinking that the party's all over
 
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