Linux is NOT for Everyone!

[Julian]

I have never claimed to be a computer expert...

And yet you'll pontificate until the cows come home.

 

[Alias]

Not really. It's a realistic fault on their part. The fact you can't
conceive that thought only proves how much of a troll you are.

I have seen many people install Ubuntu. Easy as pie. I'm beginning to
think you've never even tried.

Alias

 

[Alias]

And yet you'll pontificate until the cows come home.

If you have a comment regarding the content I have posted, please feel
free. If all you want to do is be insulting, I am not interested.

Alias

 

[Julian]

If you have a comment regarding the content I have posted, please feel
free. I

I did.

If all you want to do is be insulting, I am not interested.

Physician... heal thyself.

 

[Stephan Rose]

Ah, I did not know that. So what you are saying is a game made for the
PS3 and the PC by the same game studio is DX for the PC and OpenGL for the
PS3? Hum...Since they can't choose on the PS3 then why not just keep
OpenGL only? Unless DX offers clear advantages over OpenGL.

I'd have to say that making the same game from DX and OpenGL would be
harder then DX9 and DX10.

This doesn't add up.

But it is the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3

Scroll down to game development.

That's all great and fine but that's not the case. Why not? Why are my
Wii and PS3 games for the my PC rehashed in DX?

If it’s so easy to keep OpenGL then why don’t they? Especially when it
comes down to time=money.

Honestly, I wish I knew. I have used both APIs more than enough. I see no
reason not to use OpenGL. Why so many developers run after DirectX is
something I honestly do not get.

My views on the subject are narrow. I only know of the handful of VERY
SUCCESSFUL game studios that are currently dev'ing DX10.....when it comes
to DX10.

Well the problem always comes down to this. Who is in control? The managers
& bean coders or the actual programmers? I think we both know the answer to
that one. Even if the actual programmers want to use one API over another,
they still need to get this into the brains of management which might NOT
be so particularly easy if even possible...management does not like to go
away from what they perceive as the proven path that works and try
something new.
..

You scared me! Knock it off!

Hahaha!

Actually I just remembered why I said DX10 does not support DX9 hardware. I
was never able to run DX10 samples on my DX9 hardware. The samples would
complain that I did not have DX10 hardware and refuse to run, something
that never happened in the past with most samples unless my card was
missing that specific feature. In this case though, not even the most
simplistic samples that did nothing more than put a triangle on the screen,
would refuse to run. This was also way before Vista was ever released. MS
put DX10 into the same SDK as DX9 and I had considered using it for my new
project until I smacked into that wall and used OpenGL instead.

Well, I as well know people that will get Vista alone just for DX10. In
fact that's what they're waiting for. Now that these new cards are out
one of them is even more excited as he didn’t know how he going to swing a
DX10.
Another guy is going to get Vista and NO DX10 just to run Halo2. Unless
they hack it for XP.

Of course there are nutjobs like that. I would never say there are not. But
come on, they are not the majority!

Oh yes it will! Not full spec but like I said, even 2/3 spec will look
great.


Ok.

1. Some will already have Vista.
2. Some will get Vista via a new PC purchase.
3. Some will crack Vista

I absolutely cannot imagine WHY anyone would want to do that!!

4. Some will flat out buy Vista.

Poor poor money...I rather go spend it on a speeding ticket or something.

However, seeing as how Vista will do more then run a single game then that
purchase needs to be spread out ;p


What PC? Now we're getting into speculation. ;p

Sooo? I speculate that I am at least somewhat right!

Well, now I again go back on, why don't people actually do that? All
these top game devs can’t possibly be stupid.

Ya know what, this is something I need to talk to my game dev buddies about
and find out.

The one and only case where I know why a developer used DirectX over OpenGL
is John Carmack for Quake 4. If I remember correctly, at the time of
development OpenGL did not yet implement Frame Buffer Objects which is
something he needed.

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[Justin]

I have seen many people install Ubuntu. Easy as pie. I'm beginning to
think you've never even tried.

Are you serious? Is that your pathetic argument? Well alias I've seen
countless people install Windows without any problem (easy as pie) so I
guess all these people in this NG are full of crap and never really tried?
Your ego is in the clouds.

 

[Justin]

But it is the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3

Scroll down to game development.

I didn't say it doesn't or can't happen. However the other happens as well
and for no seemingly good reason. Yet, I'm sure there is one.

Honestly, I wish I knew. I have used both APIs more than enough. I see no
reason not to use OpenGL. Why so many developers run after DirectX is
something I honestly do not get.

Xbox 360? I'm assuming is not OpenGL. So you have PC = DX or OpenGL, 360 =
DX, PS3 = OpenGL.

If that assumption is correct then it seems both are required and the choice
for the PC might just add up to personal experience of the team.

Well the problem always comes down to this. Who is in control? The
managers
& bean coders or the actual programmers? I think we both know the answer
to
that one. Even if the actual programmers want to use one API over another,
they still need to get this into the brains of management which might NOT
be so particularly easy if even possible...management does not like to go
away from what they perceive as the proven path that works and try
something new.
.

Well, if the managers want to stick with DX then they already hired DX
strong personnel.

Hahaha!

Actually I just remembered why I said DX10 does not support DX9 hardware.
I
was never able to run DX10 samples on my DX9 hardware. The samples would
complain that I did not have DX10 hardware and refuse to run, something
that never happened in the past with most samples unless my card was
missing that specific feature. In this case though, not even the most
simplistic samples that did nothing more than put a triangle on the
screen,
would refuse to run. This was also way before Vista was ever released. MS
put DX10 into the same SDK as DX9 and I had considered using it for my new
project until I smacked into that wall and used OpenGL instead.

Hum, I'll have to take my DX10 demo to work and check it out.

Of course there are nutjobs like that. I would never say there are not.
But
come on, they are not the majority!

They are the majority of the people buying these high end games. I'm not a
fan but don’t underestimate the power of Halo. Remember that "sneakiness" I
talked about?

I absolutely cannot imagine WHY anyone would want to do that!!

What? Crack it? Why not! Even if you BUY Vista I recommend you crack it.
It'll keep these BS de-activation issues from popping up. j/k....or am
I????

Poor poor money...I rather go spend it on a speeding ticket or something.

I'd spend it on both! Plus the extra $80 for tinted windows ;p

Sooo? I speculate that I am at least somewhat right!

Somewhat? Ok ;p

 

[Alias]

Are you serious? Is that your pathetic argument? Well alias I've seen
countless people install Windows without any problem (easy as pie) so I
guess all these people in this NG are full of crap and never really
tried? Your ego is in the clouds.

You've never tried. You're lying.

Alias

 

[Stephan Rose]

I didn't say it doesn't or can't happen. However the other happens as
well
and for no seemingly good reason. Yet, I'm sure there is one.

Well developing a game for a console VS the PC is significantly enough
different that you can't just write one set of code and compile it for both
targets. Never going to happen. The environments are too different.

So I suppose that everything except most of the game logic has to be
rewritten anyways for a PC version.

Xbox 360? I'm assuming is not OpenGL. So you have PC = DX or OpenGL, 360
= DX, PS3 = OpenGL.

That's about right.

If that assumption is correct then it seems both are required and the
choice for the PC might just add up to personal experience of the team.

More than likely so. Then again, if the same team has experience doing work
both for the PC and the PS3 then they also have experience in both APIs.

Well, if the managers want to stick with DX then they already hired DX
strong personnel.

Very true.

Hum, I'll have to take my DX10 demo to work and check it out.

Let me know the results. I'd be most interested. =)

They are the majority of the people buying these high end games. I'm not a
fan but don’t underestimate the power of Halo. Remember that "sneakiness"
I talked about?

Quite possibly I suppose. I know I wouldn't spend a dime on Halo. =)

What? Crack it? Why not! Even if you BUY Vista I recommend you crack
it.
It'll keep these BS de-activation issues from popping up. j/k....or am
I????

Hmm I will have to remember that for when some reason beyond my control
makes me install Vista kicking and screaming and cursing.

I'd spend it on both! Plus the extra $80 for tinted windows ;p

http://www.somrek.net/MyR6.jpg

What windows? =)


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[Justin]

You've never tried. You're lying.

Alias

That's pretty much your response to anything you do not want to hear.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Justin,

Sorry, but I was just trying to help. What is confusing to me is the error
you reported ... "it tells me to get the 32bit version as my CPU doesn't
support "long"." It would indicate to me that somehow the install is
confused about the CPU that you have in that box. Why, I don't know?

As to asking what installation version did you download, I asked because you
didn't state the version. Typically Ubuntu is available in the following
versions:

Desktop CD
Server install CD
Alternate install CD

Within each of these versions there are 3 different images available:

PC (Intel x86)
Mac (PowerPC)
64-bit PC (AMD64)
SPARC server install - only in the Server install CD



Yes, I did see that, but that is available in a number of different
installation CDs, hence my question.

But really Justin, I have to wonder if you really are that interested in
installing it anyways. I've seen you slam Linux so much, it could well be
that your claim to have tried to install Ubuntu, was just another attempt
to slam it and that the "error" you reported, you just found somewhere on
the Net and have quoted, not realizing it doesn't really make sense.

No doubts about it here.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

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Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"It would be nice if there was a check to see if you were running an
activated/validated version of Windows before you were allowed to post
in any of these news groups. If you're not activated/validated your post
automatically gets deleted.
That would get rid of the Linsux Luzzzzzzzzers once and for all."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Justin]

Let me know the results. I'd be most interested. =)

d3d10.dll was not found.

I think the biggest problem we'll face here is that on a WinXP system which
has a DX8 only video card, at least DX9 was installable.

This test needs to be run again with some who has a DX9 video card on a
Vista machine.

http://www.somrek.net/MyR6.jpg

What windows? =)

Nice!