Ken Blake & Leonard Grey (Pls. Read)

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Response to My 06/05/07 Posting:

NO, Ken Blake, you are very very much mistaken.

I FINALLY decided too run a, 'Registry Scan,' using - IObit's Advanced
WindowsCare V2 Personal; freeware I downloaded from www.cnet.com.

It FIXED a YEAR long gruelling problem that consumed a couple hundred hours
of my life! So, this dragging issue, was a very very tiny price to pay.
Corrupt files I cannot fix. Again, I am so glad I chose to run this Registry
Scan program; I'd do it again in a heartbeat if I were not able to view
'News Videos,' like before I used this fantastic software!

No Regrets, what's so Ever. I highly recommend this Freeware to everyone!
Jean
 
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Shenan Stanley

biermanoski said:
Response to My 06/05/07 Posting:

NO, Ken Blake, you are very very much mistaken.

I FINALLY decided too run a, 'Registry Scan,' using - IObit's
Advanced WindowsCare V2 Personal; freeware I downloaded from
www.cnet.com.

It FIXED a YEAR long gruelling problem that consumed a couple
hundred hours of my life! So, this dragging issue, was a very very
tiny price to pay. Corrupt files I cannot fix. Again, I am so glad
I chose to run this Registry Scan program; I'd do it again in a
heartbeat if I were not able to view 'News Videos,' like before I
used this fantastic software!

No Regrets, what's so Ever. I highly recommend this Freeware to
everyone! Jean

It's called "luck" when it comes to registry cleaners and the uninitiated
user.
You can play with rattlesnakes all day and never get bitten, but walk by one
at the wrong time and be dead pretty shortly.
 
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Poprivet

Shenan said:
It's called "luck" when it comes to registry cleaners and the
uninitiated user.
You can play with rattlesnakes all day and never get bitten, but walk
by one at the wrong time and be dead pretty shortly.

Ohhh, I'm sorry you said that! You were wrong in the beginning, your'e
wrong now and you'll still be wrong tomorrow.

1. Snakebites don't necessarily kill

2. There are many valid reasons to use a "scanner"

3. They cure more ills by far than they cause, even in the hands of
unskilled, inexperienced, first time users.

4. As with any application, it's the source and Quality of the software,
not the fact that it exists, that makes it "good or not".

I know you have a closed mind on this issue so I'm not going to debate it
with you; flame away if you feel you must.

The closest I can come to agreeing with you is judicious use.

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Shenan Stanley

Poprivet said:
Ohhh, I'm sorry you said that! You were wrong in the beginning,
your'e wrong now and you'll still be wrong tomorrow.

1. Snakebites don't necessarily kill

2. There are many valid reasons to use a "scanner"

3. They cure more ills by far than they cause, even in the hands of
unskilled, inexperienced, first time users.

4. As with any application, it's the source and Quality of the
software, not the fact that it exists, that makes it "good or not".

I know you have a closed mind on this issue so I'm not going to
debate it with you; flame away if you feel you must.

The closest I can come to agreeing with you is judicious use.

Arguing just to argue - typical.
If you have a point - make it. If you just want to argue - move on.

Here's my point...

Here's what I hate about the whole 'registry cleaners' argument... The only
reasons that people give for their existence is incomplete uninstalls, etc.
It seems people are content letting the companies put out products that
cannot clean up after themselves... It's not Microsoft's fault that the
third-party companies put out products that cannot properly uninstall what
they put into place - that would be the software manufacturer's of said
products - right?

The problem is not with the 'registry cleaners' themselves (in some cases) -
but with the usage of them. The number of variables such a product would
have to take into account is phenomenal. So much so that I believe the only
way these programs would be useful is if they were installed before you
started installing all of the many millions of products you could install -
and then it keeps track of said installs just like if you did a
filemon/regmon before/after you installed it - as well as it keeps tracks of
changes every time you utilize/close said application - in case it furthers
where its tendrils goes - and then if you ever uninstall it - it uses all of
that combined information to literally and quite thoroughly wipe your system
of all traces (giving you choices to save certain files - such as those you
CREATED with said product...)

I know of no such product - I know of products that do part of that, but not
everything I gave. A registry cleaner is simply going through and finding
registry entries that it deems shouldn't be there. Users (in some cases)
can review these finds... However - if the user knew what they were looking
for - they would have probably found it and deleted it on their own - why
should they trust this third-party product that tells them a certain key is
unnecessary? Now - you may say, "They can research it" - but if they had
researched it before - they probably would have found the 'manual removal'
instructions on the products support site that tells them JUST what they
need to delete. Most people want the easy fix and unlike they might do with
other items - they choose to trust whatever the computer tells them and just
click "ok". It happens all the time.

Are registry cleaners innately *bad*? No.
Should anyone who doesn't already understand the registry use them? My
opinion is *no*.

It's like giving someone (who happens not to be an auto-mechanic and knows
NOTHING about engines/automobiles beyond using them to get from point A to
point B) a toolset and opening the hood of your car... GO! Yeah - that
might not work out as planned. Might work out fine. Willing to play the
odds?
 
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Poprivet

Shenan said:
Poprivet wrote:
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Arguing just to argue - typical.
If you have a point - make it. If you just want to argue - move on.

I have a point and the person I addressed it to knows what it is. If you
don't see a point, that's your problem, not mine.

Although I can agree with some of what you say, you also make some
completely unacceptable generalizations about cleaners.
Here's my point...

No, that's not a point: It's an opinion only, and not totally correct at
that.
Here's what I hate about the whole 'registry cleaners' argument... The
only reasons that people give for their existence is incomplete
uninstalls, etc.

That's patently false. There are many reasons, and you're intelligent
enough to know what they are.

It seems people are content letting the companies
put out products that cannot clean up after themselves...

Including MS, in fact.
The problem is not with the 'registry cleaners' themselves (in some
cases) - but with the usage of them. The number of variables such a
product would have to take into account is phenomenal. So much so
that I believe the only way these programs would be useful is if they
were installed before you started installing all of the many millions

Wow, you really haven't much background in what the majority of "cleaners"
do, do you? In the end, they're really a pretty simple concept. The look
at the registry, and then look to see if what the registry calls for exists
or not and whether it's in the proper location in some instances. That
includes everything from dll's to txt, doc, sys, etc etc etc files that the
Registry may keep track of. Then add a few compares for hive consistancies,
and you have the majority of the "cleaner" app.
There are good, and there are bad, "cleaners". That's something it's
pretty obvious you need to do some research on and stop parroting what you
think other closed minds are saying.


.... However - if
the user knew what they were looking for - they would have probably
found it and deleted it on their own - why should they trust this
third-party product that tells them a certain key is unnecessary?
Now - you may say, "They can research it" - but if they had
researched it before - they probably would have found the 'manual
removal' instructions on the products support site that tells them
JUST what they need to delete.

You're rationalizing and working hard at it above. Nice try but no cigar.

Most people want the easy fix and
unlike they might do with other items - they choose to trust whatever
the computer tells them and just click "ok". It happens all the
time.

Yes it does; with everything from a virus to a registry fix. So why not
educate them?
Are registry cleaners innately *bad*? No.
Should anyone who doesn't already understand the registry use them? My
opinion is *no*.

You're welcome to your opinion. And I'm welcome to mine, which is that your
"opinion" makes no sense.
It's like giving someone (who happens not to be an auto-mechanic and
knows NOTHING about engines/automobiles beyond using them to get from
point A to point B) a toolset and opening the hood of your car... GO!
Yeah - that might not work out as planned. Might work out fine.
Willing to play the odds?

You must be tired; that's bad even for you. I won't be back to debate
anything though; I justhappened to have a couple spare minutes and needed to
do something different for a few minutes.

I suspect that you may actually have an intelligent concept of the situation
but that you have very badly stated it here. You're usually much more
lucid.

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