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Kerry Brown

Leythos said:
The media, the somewhat unbiased media, also reported that more than 67%
of the residents are non-white.

Why would you say "white national guardsmen" unless you want to see it
as racial - being from the North, I never consider race, only actions,
as there are bad people of all races.
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I live in one of the most multi-racial areas in North America if not the
world. Maybe you are biased against the north? I was just observing what the
press is showing us. With a nation and 3/4 of a continent between me and the
affected area all I know is what I see in the media. In the black
neighbourhoods "looters" are to be shot on sight. In other white
neighbourhoods people are "scrounging" for food. This is what the media,
mostly US, is reporting. If I go by the media all the looters are black. The
white people are organised and helping one another. Any thinking person
realises this is not true but obviously racial prejudice by the media.

In any case this thread is off topic for this newsgroup and is probably the
last thing that Kelly or anyone else in the affected area wants to hear
about now or anytime in the future.

My thoughts and good wishes are for all the people affected by this
disaster.

Kerry
 
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PCR

(Phew. I thought for a second he was talking to me.) It's for you, PA!


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There may be humor in this post, and,
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|
| According to muslim students in our college, allah is taking revenge
on Americans and kafirs for what they are doing to their muslim
brothers, sisters, mothers and father all over the world.
|
| I tell them that the people affected are mostly blacks and so our
Jesus Christ is helping Americans to exterminate blacks and muslims from
this planet so that Christian fundamentalists can dominate the world
under the leadership of George Bush.
|
| What has got Kelly got to do with this? Has she died? Is it too
early to open the bottle? who will now use SP2 patch to beautify?
Uncle Bill must be the only one affected by Kelly's early demise!!
|
| Kev (fat b@astard)
| Head of CCS
| Birkbeck College
| London
|
|
|
| PA Bear wrote:
| >
| > http://video.msn.com > Specials > Hurricane Katrina >
| >
| > - Gulf Coast devastation: WLBT TV reporter Coyt Bailey narrates a
26-minute
| > helicopter flight showing the wide swath of the Mississippi coast
destroyed
| > by Hurricane Katrina. [Unspeakably awesome]
| >
| > - Levees breach in New Orleans : Engineers are discussing a
potential fix to
| > holes in the levees which have allowed floodwaters to cover most of
the city
| > [Flooding has stopped because the water level has equalized with
that of the
| > lake...and they're gonna pump it back *into* the lake??]
| >
| > http://video.msn.com > News-Weather > NBC News >
| >
| > - Story becomes Rescue Mission: Reporter was on his way to try to
find out
| > what was happening at a hospital in New Orleans when he ended up on
a rescue
| > trip. [heartbreaking]
| >
| > - Help arrives in Biloxi: A Salvation Army truck offers people in
Biloxi
| > their first food in two days.
| >
| > - Thousands stranded in Mississippi: A long line of people waited
patiently
| > to buy bare essentials at a Wal-Mart in Biloxi [compare to looting
in NOLA]
| >
| > {{{{[[[[Kelly & Family]]]]}}}}
| > --
| > ~Robear
| >
| > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| > > I'm trying hard not to allow my naturally depressive tendencies
and
| > > well-developed empathy from totally paralyzing me with regard to
the Gulf
| > > states. I'm only having so-so success, but I can't bring myself to
turn
| > > off CNN and watch (or rather, listen to) anything else.
|
|
 
P

Paul Knudsen

I only said the looting afterwards stinks. Some of the actual victims
are getting victimized twice that way!
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Shoot a few. Word gets around. Problem solved.
 
J

jkb

Shoot a few. Word gets around. Problem solved.

Naw, shoot 'em all. No word to get round. Problem eliminated. <g>
 
L

Leythos

[QUOTE=""jkb said:
Shoot a few. Word gets around. Problem solved.
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Naw, shoot 'em all. No word to get round. Problem eliminated. <g>[/QUOTE]

Better yet, shoot the reporters and then let them shoot each other :)
 
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jkb

Better yet, shoot the reporters and then let them shoot each other :)

Well - there's a problem there; They might start shooting innocent people
too. :-? Otherwise that would be perfect. Maybe test a Nuclear Bomb? <g>
 
L

Leythos

I'm not much of a fan of the the Mass Media, but in this case, they
saved lives, and deserve praise.
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The press didn't save anyone - they flew over top of them, gawking,
increasing ratings by showing the worst of the worst, by showing people
in need in the worst conditions. Did they drop water to anyone - NO. Did
they drop any supplies to anyone - NO. The press was down there just
like for OJ and Michael Jackson - to increase ratings. Since they only
had to bring a couple people with them to start the broadcasting, they
were there quickly, and in time to save people before the government,
but they didn't do anything to help.
 
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Leythos

You do know that their was one pool helicopter flying over NO, don't ya?
And when they saw people hanging out on roofs, they contacted the Coast
Guard to let them know.
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Sorry, more than one media chopper was there - you could see shots of
other, non-coast guard/military choppers, in some shots, so I don't
believe it was just one chopper for the media.
That's not their job, and they did give water when they could. It was
just ONE helicopter.
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So, as Americans, humans, people, their JOB is to fly around while
people are in dire need and not help them - sounds just like an excuse
for I'm here to make a buck off your suffering and I'm not really human
so I don't have to help you.
If it wasn't for the press and there pictures of the people on roofs,
people at the convention center, on highway overpasses, reporting about
the deteriorating conditions in the hospitals . . . . more people would
have died. Why? If it wasn't for those pictures there would still be
tens of thousands of people in NO waiting for the troops to arrive.
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BS - I don't believe it for an instant. In fact, the Media portrayal of
what was happening in N/O cause more harm than good. Imagine how many
people are going to NOT GIVE donations because all they see on CNN for
days is the looting and looting reports.....
 
M

MoserRJ

Two problems with your thoughts: If you arrest them what do you do with
them? No jail available, it was under water.
If you shoot them in the leg, who treats them? No one was available to
treat the sick and injured. Adding 'wounded' would just make matters worse.
If they were taking food and medicine - OK? Unless they were dopies
after narcotics. How does one know whether they were after insulin, heart
medicine or narcotics?
In my opinion it was like crying wolf too often. Some had evacuated
several times in the past and no hurricane came. Everyone thought that
Katrina was going into the Florida Panhandle so they didn't evacuate, and
then Mama Nature learned how to make a left turn! It actually hit into the
Biloxi, MS area.
The problem in NO was not the Hurricane itself. It was 30 hrs later when
the levees gave away in 2 places. The storm did destroy the causeway and
some other roads. That left only one road in and out of town.
The theory was if you shoot and kill several of the 'bad' looters, the
rest might think twice.
The problem was exacerbated when nobody stepped forward and took charge.
The Mayor was somewhere whining and the Governor was in Baton Rouge wringing
her hands. This was magnified by the fact that there was absolutely no
communication available. Each individual cop was on his own. It was reported
that 200 cops left their duties to take care of their own. Was that Proper?
It wasn't, UNLESS it was YOUR family!
The planning stunk. Why did they not have satellite phones. Radios and
cell phones were out. In essence you had a great big monster with no head!
 
K

kurttrail

Jim said:
Building new and improved levees may be the job of the Army
Corp of Engineers, but it is the job of the city to inspect
the dirt levees for animal and other damage. That the fact
is that the levees broke in only two places says to me that
it was a spot problem that should have been detected by the
city inspectors BEFORE the storm perhaps weeks in advance,
in time to repair. These levees are often used by hikers,
bikers and SUVs as well as muskrats, gators and other
animals. Any hole or damage can lead to failure, witness
the Mississippi River flooding back in 93.

Any book on urban or emergency survival says you need at
least 3-7 days food, water and medicine and be prepared to
take care of yourself because it will take that long for
help to come. A tornado in the Midwest will totally destroy
a few buildings, leaving 98% of an area fully functional and
quickly restorable. A hurricane destroys 98% of what is in
an area of thousand of square miles.

Bush declared the gulf coast a federal disaster area BEFORE
the storm hit.
In places where trucks loaded with food and water and other
supplies were pre-positioned, the storm destroyed them.

Many people chose to stay and ride out the storm, but if
they suffered from their decision because they did not put
water and food away for their family, whose fault is that?
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It's the poor people's fault that they are poor and forgotten! Another
a**hole who I hope Karma is visited on in this life!

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kurttrail

Jim said:
Most people are poor because of the decision they made in
their own life. Not the government or even what happened to
their ancestors 176 years ago. If you chose to take drugs
or become a drunk, if you chose to drop out of school, if
you chose to be a ward of the state, IF...
Federal resources are huge but still have limits, the
President is not omnipotent or God-like, perhaps the
response in New Orleans could have been "better" if it was
not also required in a hundred other places. It didn't help
that the local authorities such as the Mayor and Governor
said they had everything in hand.
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Blame the poor for their poverty! What an ass! And nobody is blaming
Bush for not stopping the Hurricane, just for the glacial response of
his administration.

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kurttrail

Leythos said:
I'm not stupid enough to live below sea level in a area prone to
flooding, prone to Hurricanes, prone to violence, and is a documented
disaster waiting to happen.

I live in an area, well in-land, high up, with stocks of resources,
with below ground shelter, etc... Being x-military I know what to
look for and how to find a reasonably secure place to live.
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No place is safe from Natural Disaster, and you deserve your Karma!
I'm not faulting any of the people that "Could not get out on their
own", and feel sorry for the ones that stayed with good hearts (not
the ones intending on looting after the storm), but I hold the
Govonor and Mayor as primarily accountable for it being as bad as it
is.
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They did all they could, and were overwhelmed by circumstances. Like
the countries of the tsunami. It took an international effort.

And while you can blame the victims and the state and local governments
were victims of Katrina too, you give a total pass to the Feds for their
lack of a plan, and their slow response! We have FEMA and Homeland
Security for a reason, but unfortunately they dropped the ball and
punted.

And when it down to it, the ULTIMATE boss of homeland security it W.
And W fiddled while NO descended in hell!

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Alias

Leythos said:
(e-mail address removed) says...

And I suppose that if you were to drive a car on bald tires in the rain,
then skid and go over a cliff, that it would be W's fault too - taking
no responsibility for your own lack of action.
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The USA can't do it but Cuba can:

By Marjorie Cohn

09/03/05 "t r u t h o u t" -- --- Last September, a Category 5
hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour
winds. More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground
ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no
one died.

What is Cuban President Fidel Castro's secret? According to Dr. Nelson
Valdes, a sociology professor at the University of New Mexico, and
specialist in Latin America, "the whole civil defense is embedded in
the community to begin with. People know ahead of time where they are
to go."

"Cuba's leaders go on TV and take charge," said Valdes. Contrast this
with George W. Bush's reaction to Hurricane Katrina. The day after
Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Bush was playing golf. He waited three
days to make a TV appearance and five days before visiting the
disaster site. In a scathing editorial on Thursday, the New York Times
said, "nothing about the president's demeanor yesterday - which seemed
casual to the point of carelessness - suggested that he understood the
depth of the current crisis."

"Merely sticking people in a stadium is unthinkable" in Cuba, Valdes
said. "Shelters all have medical personnel, from the neighborhood.
They have family doctors in Cuba, who evacuate together with the
neighborhood, and already know, for example, who needs insulin."

They also evacuate animals and veterinarians, TV sets and
refrigerators, "so that people aren't reluctant to leave because
people might steal their stuff," Valdes observed.

After Hurricane Ivan, the United Nations International Secretariat for
Disaster Reduction cited Cuba as a model for hurricane preparation.
ISDR director Salvano Briceno said, "The Cuban way could easily be
applied to other countries with similar economic conditions and even
in countries with greater resources that do not manage to protect
their population as well as Cuba does."

Marjorie Cohn, a contributing editor to t r u t h o u t, is a
professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, executive vice president
of the National Lawyers Guild, and the US representative to the
executive committee of the American Association of Jurists.
 
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-rwxrw-r--

And I suppose that if you were to drive a car on bald tires in the rain,
then skid and go over a cliff, that it would be W's fault too - taking
no responsibility for your own lack of action.
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Certainly, when W dug the huge hole on the side of the road to start with.
 
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-rwxrw-r--

Most people are poor because of the decision they made in
their own life. Not the government or even what happened to
their ancestors 176 years ago. If you chose to take drugs
or become a drunk, if you chose to drop out of school, if
you chose to be a ward of the state, IF...
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You're a ****ing racist.
 
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Leythos

aka@ said:
The USA can't do it but Cuba can:

By Marjorie Cohn

09/03/05 "t r u t h o u t" -- --- Last September, a Category 5
hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour
winds. More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground
ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no
one died.

What is Cuban President Fidel Castro's secret? According to Dr. Nelson
Valdes, a sociology professor at the University of New Mexico, and
specialist in Latin America, "the whole civil defense is embedded in
the community to begin with. People know ahead of time where they are
to go."

"Cuba's leaders go on TV and take charge," said Valdes. Contrast this
with George W. Bush's reaction to Hurricane Katrina. The day after
Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Bush was playing golf. He waited three
days to make a TV appearance and five days before visiting the
disaster site. In a scathing editorial on Thursday, the New York Times
said, "nothing about the president's demeanor yesterday - which seemed
casual to the point of carelessness - suggested that he understood the
depth of the current crisis."

"Merely sticking people in a stadium is unthinkable" in Cuba, Valdes
said. "Shelters all have medical personnel, from the neighborhood.
They have family doctors in Cuba, who evacuate together with the
neighborhood, and already know, for example, who needs insulin."

They also evacuate animals and veterinarians, TV sets and
refrigerators, "so that people aren't reluctant to leave because
people might steal their stuff," Valdes observed.

After Hurricane Ivan, the United Nations International Secretariat for
Disaster Reduction cited Cuba as a model for hurricane preparation.
ISDR director Salvano Briceno said, "The Cuban way could easily be
applied to other countries with similar economic conditions and even
in countries with greater resources that do not manage to protect
their population as well as Cuba does."

Marjorie Cohn, a contributing editor to t r u t h o u t, is a
professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, executive vice president
of the National Lawyers Guild, and the US representative to the
executive committee of the American Association of Jurists.
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Which proves by point entirely - if the state and local governments had
taken control, enacted anything reasonable, N/O would be in a lot better
situation. They could learn a lot from Other areas that take their
safety and planning seriously.

We're not a dictator based country, or one based around the military,
like CUBA is, but each state could easily make plans like those the
Cuban's have - ask why the "State" didn't do what Cuba did.
 
K

kurttrail

Leythos said:
And I suppose that if you were to drive a car on bald tires in the
rain, then skid and go over a cliff, that it would be W's fault too -
taking no responsibility for your own lack of action.
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No, but if he stood around and didn't call in the cops for 3 days while
watching me slowly bleeding to death, I would hold him responsible for
the negligently slow emergency response to my accident, and the
complications that arose from that negligently slow emergency response.

I just hope your karma catches up to you while your incompetent leader
is still in office!

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otis

the city and state tried to plan; but Congress robbed the levee
improvement plans to pad their districts with 'Steamtowns' and other
crap. Nagin and his levee people said the improvements could have
been done with maybe 1 billion over 20 years, but they got shot down
every time. So, who is the piss poor planner? Congress. Selfish
bastards aought to be in NO on their hands and knees washing the
residents' feet.

but I'm not bitter....
 
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Leythos

No, but if he stood around and didn't call in the cops for 3 days while
watching me slowly bleeding to death, I would hold him responsible for
the negligently slow emergency response to my accident, and the
complications that arose from that negligently slow emergency response.
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And if the responders were already there, and didn't bring any supplies
to help you, didn't bring any services, etc.. as they are the local
rescue group, anyone standing from a long distance would not be blamed.
If the local people don't call for help they won't get it, and they
didn't call for Military help for almost 2 days - and you won't see a
reputable report that shows the time-line that includes the Military
being officially asked for help before the first two days was over.
I just hope your karma catches up to you while your incompetent leader
is still in office!
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I think you misunderstand my feelings on the devastation - I completely
feel sympathy and sorry for all of the losses, the personal losses, the
damage to the area and have already sent aid to the groups I think will
properly apply it. But, I don't hold the Fed's responsible for not
acting sooner, as the LOCAL STATE and LOCAL government officials didn't
call for it before the Levy broke. How can you blame someone for not
responding when they were not asked to respond? If the state was suppose
to have this planned for, setup for, staged, I see no reason to
intervene unless asked.
 
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