KB931768 problem - ***solved***

[Doris Day - MFB]

I emailed the identical post to Spybot for their knowledge.

I hope there's someone around to pick the poor fella off the floor when he
finishes reading your email. I'm sure he'll ROFL. Thankfully, I had my
seatbelt on before reading your original post. Can never be too safe around
a Vista newsgroup you know.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

Windows Defender manages to do an equivalent job without
adding anything to the Restricted sites listing.

Gary VanderMolen

 

[Bill]

And you are constantly arguing about how productive it is to use Vista.
ROFL, 6 days of screwing around like that doesn't appear to be too
productive to me. And lo and behold, the problem ended up being one of
the condoms you put on Vista to try and keep it secure. And you keep
telling us how great Vista is and how much you love using it. You sure
you haven't stopped taking your meds? You and Dr. Frank need to get
together. You guys can have fun buckling up those white jackets, with
long sleeves that strap together behind your back.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

Hi Doris:

My brother likes to play the contests on the net. He sometimes accesses
several hundred sites in a day. Every day he has to run Spybot S&D
because of the possibility of malware and spyware infections that he
might get just from visiting a site. He also has to keep alert for any
Avast alarms in case of viral infections. After a couple of months of
this nonsense, his copy of Windows is so skewed that I have to reinstall
it. Nice, huh? Condoms only go so far.

Love and kisses,
Bill

 

[Richard Urban]

To Doris, because I can not see your posts:

I caused my own problem by using a program not certified to work with Vista.

Many times I have stated that 95% of all problems are user initiated. I am
no exception.

Now - go play in another sandbox.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[James Matthews]

Thanks

 

[Frank]

Hi Doris:

My brother likes to play the contests on the net. He sometimes accesses
several hundred sites in a day. Every day he has to run Spybot S&D
because of the possibility of malware and spyware infections that he
might get just from visiting a site. He also has to keep alert for any
Avast alarms in case of viral infections. After a couple of months of
this nonsense, his copy of Windows is so skewed that I have to reinstall
it. Nice, huh? Condoms only go so far.

Love and kisses,
Bill



----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption=----

I'm trying to figure out who in this ménage a toi is the smartest.
You, your brother or Doris the-cross-dresser.
I'm putting my money on the your brother.
(snort)
Frank

 

[...winston]

Richard,
Nice find.. Wtg!!
Just a few points on Spybot to echo your comments and put a few more items
in perspective.
1. In a default install with all current definition updates through 5/15/07
retrieved Spybot will protect against ~15,100 items.
2. The default install prior to clicking on 'immunize' does not add any
sites to the restricted zone.
3. Immunization will add as of 5/15/07 ~3250 sites to the restricted
zone(ref. Sandi blog per WTC' s post. Where the other 9,000 come from..I am
not sure. I've been running AdAware, SuperSpyware, Spybot, and (don't
shudder) NSW2006/NAV with Internet Worm Protection without issue in an XP
environment and none of them have found anything beyond the routine
non-malware finds(cookies, recent run, etc) in years. My surfing is
controlled and limited. On this Vista machine, strictly N360 resident and
Defender, Spybot and CrapCleaner as non resident supplements.
4. Spybot as a tool can still be run without immunization especially if its
used as an non-background supplementary 'layered' tool to Vista's Windows
Defender and a capable AV programI(I currently use Kaspersky and N360 - one
on each machine).
*** 5.*** If one immunizes with Spybot, and here's another oddity. The
Windows Mail delay appears to be alleviated by opening the Windows Calendar
within Windows Mail.
- you may or may not recall a few months ago I reported in the
msft.public.vista.mail group the Windows Mail delay 'weirdly' being improved
after the Calendar was opened in Windows Mail.
- it is still unclear why the Calendar has any impact whatsoever on
Windows Mail performance, though its positive result has been verified by at
last four other people(not sure if Spybot was installed on those systems-
I'll ask in the future<g>) in these forums and a few more in two other
private forums. The quantity of those results may not be statistically
significant, but regardless are positive findings.

Fortunately, I did not experience the KB931768 issue on two Vista Ultimate
systems, nor on the one XP machine running IE7(the other two run IE6) with
the TIF files located on a stand alone partition on a different ide
drive(slave), thus can't offer any options on that subject(lol..after
reading all the problems, I keep clicking and waiting for Armageddon, and as
insurance increased my image frequency<g>)

Nice find, and good luck on the rebuild and much needed shut-eye.

...winston

 

[BChat]

I too use Spybot S&D. Thanks for the info Richard, your efforts are
appreciated.
BChat


I had posted in a couple of various threads that I was also affected by this
update (KB931768) under both Vista and Windows XP. Under Vista, Windows Mail
had become so slow as to be almost impossible to use. Clicking on a post in
the news groups took about 2-4 seconds to show the text in the bottom.
Replying to a post also took about 2-4 seconds to bring us a usable reply
window. Shutting down Windows Mail took the same 2-4 seconds.

I also stated that I thought it was a program interaction. It took me six
days to rebuild my system, installing each program I normally use, rebooting
and then testing Windows Mail. I was creating an image of my system after
every successful program install so I could go back easily when I found a
problem. All it took was loads of time and testing.

About 2 hours ago I finally found the culprit!

Hint! Raise your hand if you have Spybot Search and Destroy installed.

I had been using Spybot Search and Destroy for about 4 years now. I
installed it under Vista and, because it seemed to work OK, I left it in
place. Well, we all know that Spybot S&D was **not** designed for Vista. It
just happened to work.

Unfortunately, it's short comings showed up after the install of KB931768

I installed Spybot S&D - and did not choose to run through the initial
wizard immediately. I closed down Spybot S&D and tested Windows Mail.
Everything was fine. After a reboot everything was still fine. I then ran
through the wizard and retrieved all the available updates for Spybot S&D. I
again tested Windows Mail and found it to work as it previously had (no
discernible problems or slow downs).

I then chose to ***immunize*** within Spybot, which you have to do to apply
the updates for the program.

I again started Windows Mail.

*****BANG***** *****BOOM***** *****BAM*****

Windows Mail had been broken!

Every adverse condition that I listed above was back in all their glory!

Now, here is the unfortunate part that is going to cause countless thousands
of people a bunch of grief. Uninstalling Spybot Search and Destroy (even
with a reboot) ***DOES NOT*** eliminate the problem and take you back to
where you were previously. Uninstalling and then using System Restore may -
if you have just installed Spybot S&D and made no changes to your system
since. I doubt if too many people would fall into this category.

Even scouring the file system and deleting all remnants left from the
install does nothing. Spybot must place, or alter, a registry entry
somewhere that is not touched by the uninstall process. You will have to
rebuild your system from scratch and resist the temptation to install Spybot
Search and Destroy.

I have not yet tested to see if this also solves the alternate placement
problem for the Temporary Internet File Folder but I will be testing for
that as soon as I place this post in the suitable newsgroups. I will also be
testing for this under Windows XP when I recover from the total exhaustion I
have been working under for the past 24 hours. (-:

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Mellowed]

I had posted in a couple of various threads that I was also affected by
this update (KB931768) under both Vista and Windows XP. Under Vista,
Windows Mail had become so slow as to be almost impossible to use. Clicking
on a post in the news groups took about 2-4 seconds to show the text in the
bottom. Replying to a post also took about 2-4 seconds to bring us a usable
reply window. Shutting down Windows Mail took the same 2-4 seconds.

I also stated that I thought it was a program interaction. It took me six
days to rebuild my system, installing each program I normally use,
rebooting and then testing Windows Mail. I was creating an image of my
system after every successful program install so I could go back easily
when I found a problem. All it took was loads of time and testing.

About 2 hours ago I finally found the culprit!

Hint! Raise your hand if you have Spybot Search and Destroy installed.

I had been using Spybot Search and Destroy for about 4 years now. I
installed it under Vista and, because it seemed to work OK, I left it in
place. Well, we all know that Spybot S&D was **not** designed for Vista.
It just happened to work.

Unfortunately, it's short comings showed up after the install of KB931768

I installed Spybot S&D - and did not choose to run through the initial
wizard immediately. I closed down Spybot S&D and tested Windows Mail.
Everything was fine. After a reboot everything was still fine. I then ran
through the wizard and retrieved all the available updates for Spybot S&D.
I again tested Windows Mail and found it to work as it previously had (no
discernible problems or slow downs).

I then chose to ***immunize*** within Spybot, which you have to do to
apply the updates for the program.

I again started Windows Mail.

*****BANG***** *****BOOM***** *****BAM*****

Windows Mail had been broken!

Every adverse condition that I listed above was back in all their glory!

Now, here is the unfortunate part that is going to cause countless
thousands of people a bunch of grief. Uninstalling Spybot Search and
Destroy (even with a reboot) ***DOES NOT*** eliminate the problem and
take you back to where you were previously. Uninstalling and then using
System Restore may - if you have just installed Spybot S&D and made no
changes to your system since. I doubt if too many people would fall into
this category.

Even scouring the file system and deleting all remnants left from the
install does nothing. Spybot must place, or alter, a registry entry
somewhere that is not touched by the uninstall process. You will have to
rebuild your system from scratch and resist the temptation to install
Spybot Search and Destroy.

I have not yet tested to see if this also solves the alternate placement
problem for the Temporary Internet File Folder but I will be testing for
that as soon as I place this post in the suitable newsgroups. I will also
be testing for this under Windows XP when I recover from the total
exhaustion I have been working under for the past 24 hours. (-:

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Richard,

In Spybot, under Immunize there is an 'undo' button. I just clicked on the
'undo' button and it removed 17000+ immunization points.
And, it seemed to work.

 

[Bill]

Richard,

In Spybot, under Immunize there is an 'undo' button. I just clicked on
the 'undo' button and it removed 17000+ immunization points.
And, it seemed to work.

Have tried that this morning. And certainly has got things back to normal.
Will be interested to see if it causes any other problems.

Bill

 

[BChat]

I had posted in a couple of various threads that I was also affected by
this update (KB931768) under both Vista and Windows XP. Under Vista,
Windows Mail had become so slow as to be almost impossible to use. Clicking
on a post in the news groups took about 2-4 seconds to show the text in the
bottom. Replying to a post also took about 2-4 seconds to bring us a usable
reply window. Shutting down Windows Mail took the same 2-4 seconds.

I also stated that I thought it was a program interaction. It took me six
days to rebuild my system, installing each program I normally use,
rebooting and then testing Windows Mail. I was creating an image of my
system after every successful program install so I could go back easily
when I found a problem. All it took was loads of time and testing.

About 2 hours ago I finally found the culprit!

Hint! Raise your hand if you have Spybot Search and Destroy installed.

I had been using Spybot Search and Destroy for about 4 years now. I
installed it under Vista and, because it seemed to work OK, I left it in
place. Well, we all know that Spybot S&D was **not** designed for Vista.
It just happened to work.

Unfortunately, it's short comings showed up after the install of KB931768

I installed Spybot S&D - and did not choose to run through the initial
wizard immediately. I closed down Spybot S&D and tested Windows Mail.
Everything was fine. After a reboot everything was still fine. I then ran
through the wizard and retrieved all the available updates for Spybot S&D.
I again tested Windows Mail and found it to work as it previously had (no
discernible problems or slow downs).

I then chose to ***immunize*** within Spybot, which you have to do to
apply the updates for the program.

I again started Windows Mail.

*****BANG***** *****BOOM***** *****BAM*****

Windows Mail had been broken!

Every adverse condition that I listed above was back in all their glory!

Now, here is the unfortunate part that is going to cause countless
thousands of people a bunch of grief. Uninstalling Spybot Search and
Destroy (even with a reboot) ***DOES NOT*** eliminate the problem and
take you back to where you were previously. Uninstalling and then using
System Restore may - if you have just installed Spybot S&D and made no
changes to your system since. I doubt if too many people would fall into
this category.

Even scouring the file system and deleting all remnants left from the
install does nothing. Spybot must place, or alter, a registry entry
somewhere that is not touched by the uninstall process. You will have to
rebuild your system from scratch and resist the temptation to install
Spybot Search and Destroy.

I have not yet tested to see if this also solves the alternate placement
problem for the Temporary Internet File Folder but I will be testing for
that as soon as I place this post in the suitable newsgroups. I will also
be testing for this under Windows XP when I recover from the total
exhaustion I have been working under for the past 24 hours. (-:

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Richard,

In Spybot, under Immunize there is an 'undo' button. I just clicked on the
'undo' button and it removed 17000+ immunization points.
And, it seemed to work.
------------------------------
I tried this, then installed the update - still had the problem with
Win Mail. Since I rarely use IE, I am content to leave the update
uninstalled. I might try again when the next version of Spybot
comes out.
BChat

 

[Iuvenalis]

So, you are suggesting that there is no need for 3rd party anti spyware if
it places sites (they all do) in the restricted zone?

SpySweeper also places many there. Removing "all" the sites is crippling
what the anti spyware programs do. May as well uninstall them all after
cleaning out the restricted zone as they will no longer do what you expect
them to do.

At this point I have no problem with SpySweeper so I will leave it in
place, restricted sites and all. It is only SpyBot Search and Destroy that
causes the problem.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

I use AVG anti malware & I have nothing listed in the registry keys listed
above.

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Come to think of it I started a session with the wife last night, you know 2
minutes of intense sex! (That includes foreplay) and I noticed that each
stroke took about 2-4 seconds. When the complete session lasts about 2
minutes, that delay can put a damper on things. So what to do. I
uninstalled SexBot and sure enough, wham-bam, I got rid of the delay and I
can now finish in 1.5 minutes. Enough time to see the last 10 seconds of
the commercial before the show comes back on.

 

[Frank]

Come to think of it I started a session with the wife last night, you know 2
minutes of intense sex! (That includes foreplay) and I noticed that each
stroke took about 2-4 seconds. When the complete session lasts about 2
minutes, that delay can put a damper on things. So what to do. I
uninstalled SexBot and sure enough, wham-bam, I got rid of the delay and I
can now finish in 1.5 minutes. Enough time to see the last 10 seconds of
the commercial before the show comes back on.

Excellent advice!
Thanks.
Frank

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Bill

Be sure and print this message. That way you can show it to your children to
prove how smart their Dad is.

 

[Julian]

Bill

Be sure and print this message. That way you can show it to your children
to prove how smart their Dad is.

Kids... I doubt it.

He sounds like a genetic cul-de-sac.

His missus must be getting free milk...
nudge nudge,
know what I' mean...
say no more!.

 

[Gary]

SpywareBlaster also adds the offending entry(s) too.

Has anyone taken the time and energy to find out which entries are doing the
dirty work?

 

[Guest]

I am new to Vista and just installed the updates last weekend. Lo and
behold, I have frustrating text delays when using mail and composing e-mails.
I don't use
Spybot. How can I fix this headache?

 

[Steve Cochran]

Try opening Windows Calendar and see if that fixes the problems.

steve

 

[Irwin Opper]

Can somebody tell me how to remove KB931768 .
Thank you very much,

Irwin Opper