Kaspersky Vs. Norton/Symantec

K

Kaimbridge

I upgraded to a whole new PC last month (2.8 GHz, 80 GB, WinXP-HE
[SP2]).
The local computer store that sold me and set up the system,
installed "BitDefender 8 Standard" (30 day free trial) for
introductory anti-virus protection.
For a permanent anti-virus ("a-v") platform, the store is pushing
Norton 2005 ("N2K5") [when I got my original PC from them in 1997,
the suggestion--which I took--was McAfee, which I've found to be
bloated and somewhat buggy--though part of it may have been
exasperated by my 200 MHz, 2.1 GB dinosaur! P=) ].
Googling around, another a-v package that seems decent is Kaspersky
(is it pronounced "CASper Sky" or "Kass PERskee"?).
I asked about it at the computer store and supposedly they never
heard of Kaspersky: Given that it seems to be well known in the
computer geek circles (including major computer magazines), I find
the store's (supposed) lack of awareness rather suspect (though, in
that it is a Russian company and I haven't seen their products in
local stores, I suppose it *is* possible).
There is an added wrinkle, however.
On a couple of programs I've run, I've gotten the "16 bit MS-DOS
Subsystem" error box, "C:\PROGRA~1\Symantec\S32EVNT1.DLL. An
installable Virtual Device Driver failed Dll initialization. Choose
'Close' to terminate the application."
Doing a Google search, I see that it is the result of a
faulty/corrupt Symantec (i.e., Norton) register--HUH!!!: AFAIK I
*don't have any* Symantec programs/folders/files on my 'puter!
But, sure enough, while visiting the registry (regarding a separate
issue--see below), there *is* a Symantec registry folder!?!
I had been inclined to go along with the store's N2K5 recommendation
[though I'd probably get it at Wal-Mart, where it's $10-15 cheaper
P=) ], but the more I think about it, the more galling it becomes to
think that Symantec somehow had a folder (registry, yet!) preemtively
added to the system (once again, the computer store appeared clueless,
denying that they added it in during the setup, or even knew about it,
and even went so far as to say, "when you install N2K5, that should
clear things up"!).
The only other possibility I can think of is that it is somehow related
to and/or introduced by WinXP's SP2: The reason that I was in the
registry was that SP2 locked out WordPad's ability to load
"Word For Windows 6.0" ".doc" files, due to an apparent security hole.
Could SP2 have added the Symantec folder?
Or, is Norton the "unofficial" WinXP a-v program?

Or...
....am I just paranoid and there is a perfectly legitimate reason for
the
Symantec folder (i.e., some other, unrelated Symantec program)?
From what I've read, Kaspersky appears at least as good as N2K5, though
there *is* one page of reviews that is less than flattering:

http://www.pcmag.com/member_ratings/0,1757,ss=0&s=1474&a=26455,00.asp

Have any newly discovered issues with Kaspersky come up?

Would it hurt to try their 30 day trial?--or, if I did decide to choose
N2K5 or something else (or even decide on Kaspersky), would all of the
leftover debris from the two trial versions (even after "uninstalling")
likely create any potential conflicts/issues?

~Kaimbridge~
 
R

Ron Reaugh

Use AVG from www.grisoft.com it's free. Don't even think about Symantec.

I upgraded to a whole new PC last month (2.8 GHz, 80 GB, WinXP-HE
[SP2]).
The local computer store that sold me and set up the system,
installed "BitDefender 8 Standard" (30 day free trial) for
introductory anti-virus protection.
For a permanent anti-virus ("a-v") platform, the store is pushing
Norton 2005 ("N2K5") [when I got my original PC from them in 1997,
the suggestion--which I took--was McAfee, which I've found to be
bloated and somewhat buggy--though part of it may have been
exasperated by my 200 MHz, 2.1 GB dinosaur! P=) ].
Googling around, another a-v package that seems decent is Kaspersky
(is it pronounced "CASper Sky" or "Kass PERskee"?).
I asked about it at the computer store and supposedly they never
heard of Kaspersky: Given that it seems to be well known in the
computer geek circles (including major computer magazines), I find
the store's (supposed) lack of awareness rather suspect (though, in
that it is a Russian company and I haven't seen their products in
local stores, I suppose it *is* possible).
There is an added wrinkle, however.
On a couple of programs I've run, I've gotten the "16 bit MS-DOS
Subsystem" error box, "C:\PROGRA~1\Symantec\S32EVNT1.DLL. An
installable Virtual Device Driver failed Dll initialization. Choose
'Close' to terminate the application."
Doing a Google search, I see that it is the result of a
faulty/corrupt Symantec (i.e., Norton) register--HUH!!!: AFAIK I
*don't have any* Symantec programs/folders/files on my 'puter!
But, sure enough, while visiting the registry (regarding a separate
issue--see below), there *is* a Symantec registry folder!?!
I had been inclined to go along with the store's N2K5 recommendation
[though I'd probably get it at Wal-Mart, where it's $10-15 cheaper
P=) ], but the more I think about it, the more galling it becomes to
think that Symantec somehow had a folder (registry, yet!) preemtively
added to the system (once again, the computer store appeared clueless,
denying that they added it in during the setup, or even knew about it,
and even went so far as to say, "when you install N2K5, that should
clear things up"!).
The only other possibility I can think of is that it is somehow related
to and/or introduced by WinXP's SP2: The reason that I was in the
registry was that SP2 locked out WordPad's ability to load
"Word For Windows 6.0" ".doc" files, due to an apparent security hole.
Could SP2 have added the Symantec folder?
Or, is Norton the "unofficial" WinXP a-v program?

Or...
...am I just paranoid and there is a perfectly legitimate reason for
the
Symantec folder (i.e., some other, unrelated Symantec program)?
From what I've read, Kaspersky appears at least as good as N2K5, though
there *is* one page of reviews that is less than flattering:

http://www.pcmag.com/member_ratings/0,1757,ss=0&s=1474&a=26455,00.asp

Have any newly discovered issues with Kaspersky come up?

Would it hurt to try their 30 day trial?--or, if I did decide to choose
N2K5 or something else (or even decide on Kaspersky), would all of the
leftover debris from the two trial versions (even after "uninstalling")
likely create any potential conflicts/issues?

~Kaimbridge~

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R

Ron Reaugh

John of Aix said:
I agree totally. Norton is crap. Expensive crap.

An often a performance degrading infection worse than that which it's
supposed to prevent. Why don't they put it in some malware definition
files<VBG>?
 
A

Allen L.

In
I upgraded to a whole new PC last month (2.8 GHz, 80 GB, WinXP-HE
[SP2]).
The local computer store that sold me and set up the system,
installed "BitDefender 8 Standard" (30 day free trial) for
introductory anti-virus protection.
For a permanent anti-virus ("a-v") platform, the store is pushing
Norton 2005 ("N2K5") <<snipped>>

As far a virus programs go there is a large difference between Norton and
say Symantec Corporate A.V.s

The corporate version Symantec Antivirus is as different as night and day
from Norton. They are both bloated in size as most all software seems to be
at present. Symantec is designed without the frills of Norton and is
business like in it's AV properties and does a very good job in my opinion.

....Allen
 
B

Bud

A trial period is always a good option, whether of Kaspersky or...?
Although I've used Norton for many years, may I suggest for an
anti-virus that you also consider NOD23.
It is highly rated and within the same price of others - excepting the
freebies, of course. Good hunting.

Bud
 
T

Tony Meyer

I use AVG 7.0 on my machine, and install it for customers a lot. I reckon
its a bloody good program, with far less bloat than Norton or Mcaffee. It
looks after itself, if its configured properly, I've found my customers
really enjoy not having to touch it, or very rarely, in which case i
normally get a phone call, and i can sort it for them over the phone. And
its free, so if your looking to save some bucks its right there.
 
R

Ron Reaugh

Tony Meyer said:
I use AVG 7.0 on my machine, and install it for customers a lot. I reckon
its a bloody good program, with far less bloat than Norton or Mcaffee. It
looks after itself, if its configured properly, I've found my customers
really enjoy not having to touch it, or very rarely, in which case i
normally get a phone call, and i can sort it for them over the phone. And
its free, so if your looking to save some bucks its right there.

My conclusion also.
 
R

Ron Reaugh

Ron Reaugh said:
My conclusion also.

Anything regarding subscriptions means an act of support that a user must
undertake. The dollars aren't relevant. At the end of a year the user soon
gets infected and requires help. It's not the users' fault. It's the
industry's fault.

BILLY PLEASE SAVE US AGAIN.

Turn Automatic Updates ON!
 
E

End User

Kaimbridge,

I've used Kaspersky for the past year and felt it has worked significantly
well. If you ever need technical support, you can always contact them
through email, or call them toll free and be directly connected to their
customer service (in Moscow) via an 800 number. And yes, they do speak
English. It presently has 126,000 known virus's in it's database to protect
you from and updates regularly. It's not too expensive $35ish online, or if
you're into obtaining it free, there's always Limewire.com or other file
sharing programs.
 
M

Mike

If you need a good utility program take a look on ebay for System Mechanic
Pro 5. It contains a number of utilities plus one year of Kaspersky and a
firewall for I think $25.00 At least that's what I paid in February. It is a
cheap way of getting a multi featured utility and Kasperspy.

I upgraded to a whole new PC last month (2.8 GHz, 80 GB, WinXP-HE
[SP2]).
The local computer store that sold me and set up the system,
installed "BitDefender 8 Standard" (30 day free trial) for
introductory anti-virus protection.
For a permanent anti-virus ("a-v") platform, the store is pushing
Norton 2005 ("N2K5") [when I got my original PC from them in 1997,
the suggestion--which I took--was McAfee, which I've found to be
bloated and somewhat buggy--though part of it may have been
exasperated by my 200 MHz, 2.1 GB dinosaur! P=) ].
Googling around, another a-v package that seems decent is Kaspersky
(is it pronounced "CASper Sky" or "Kass PERskee"?).
I asked about it at the computer store and supposedly they never
heard of Kaspersky: Given that it seems to be well known in the
computer geek circles (including major computer magazines), I find
the store's (supposed) lack of awareness rather suspect (though, in
that it is a Russian company and I haven't seen their products in
local stores, I suppose it *is* possible).
There is an added wrinkle, however.
On a couple of programs I've run, I've gotten the "16 bit MS-DOS
Subsystem" error box, "C:\PROGRA~1\Symantec\S32EVNT1.DLL. An
installable Virtual Device Driver failed Dll initialization. Choose
'Close' to terminate the application."
Doing a Google search, I see that it is the result of a
faulty/corrupt Symantec (i.e., Norton) register--HUH!!!: AFAIK I
*don't have any* Symantec programs/folders/files on my 'puter!
But, sure enough, while visiting the registry (regarding a separate
issue--see below), there *is* a Symantec registry folder!?!
I had been inclined to go along with the store's N2K5 recommendation
[though I'd probably get it at Wal-Mart, where it's $10-15 cheaper
P=) ], but the more I think about it, the more galling it becomes to
think that Symantec somehow had a folder (registry, yet!) preemtively
added to the system (once again, the computer store appeared clueless,
denying that they added it in during the setup, or even knew about it,
and even went so far as to say, "when you install N2K5, that should
clear things up"!).
The only other possibility I can think of is that it is somehow related
to and/or introduced by WinXP's SP2: The reason that I was in the
registry was that SP2 locked out WordPad's ability to load
"Word For Windows 6.0" ".doc" files, due to an apparent security hole.
Could SP2 have added the Symantec folder?
Or, is Norton the "unofficial" WinXP a-v program?

Or...
...am I just paranoid and there is a perfectly legitimate reason for
the
Symantec folder (i.e., some other, unrelated Symantec program)?
From what I've read, Kaspersky appears at least as good as N2K5, though
there *is* one page of reviews that is less than flattering:

http://www.pcmag.com/member_ratings/0,1757,ss=0&s=1474&a=26455,00.asp

Have any newly discovered issues with Kaspersky come up?

Would it hurt to try their 30 day trial?--or, if I did decide to choose
N2K5 or something else (or even decide on Kaspersky), would all of the
leftover debris from the two trial versions (even after "uninstalling")
likely create any potential conflicts/issues?

~Kaimbridge~

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G

Gaz

John of Aix said:
I agree totally. Norton is crap. Expensive crap.

The very definition of 'bloatware'..... It cripples all but the most
generously specced computers, an XP system with 256mb or less will be
reduced to a crawl.

Gaz
 
J

JJ

I can be short on this one:

KAV uses less memory then Norton...and the updates are FAR more faster
and more frequent then Norton.
Besides all this KAV also detects MORE viruses and other crap then
Norton does.

If you REALY want protection use KAV instead of Norton.

need I say more?

JJ

I upgraded to a whole new PC last month (2.8 GHz, 80 GB, WinXP-HE
[SP2]).
The local computer store that sold me and set up the system,
installed "BitDefender 8 Standard" (30 day free trial) for
introductory anti-virus protection.
For a permanent anti-virus ("a-v") platform, the store is pushing
Norton 2005 ("N2K5") [when I got my original PC from them in 1997,
the suggestion--which I took--was McAfee, which I've found to be
bloated and somewhat buggy--though part of it may have been
exasperated by my 200 MHz, 2.1 GB dinosaur! P=) ].
Googling around, another a-v package that seems decent is Kaspersky
(is it pronounced "CASper Sky" or "Kass PERskee"?).
I asked about it at the computer store and supposedly they never
heard of Kaspersky: Given that it seems to be well known in the
computer geek circles (including major computer magazines), I find
the store's (supposed) lack of awareness rather suspect (though, in
that it is a Russian company and I haven't seen their products in
local stores, I suppose it *is* possible).
There is an added wrinkle, however.
On a couple of programs I've run, I've gotten the "16 bit MS-DOS
Subsystem" error box, "C:\PROGRA~1\Symantec\S32EVNT1.DLL. An
installable Virtual Device Driver failed Dll initialization. Choose
'Close' to terminate the application."
Doing a Google search, I see that it is the result of a
faulty/corrupt Symantec (i.e., Norton) register--HUH!!!: AFAIK I
*don't have any* Symantec programs/folders/files on my 'puter!
But, sure enough, while visiting the registry (regarding a separate
issue--see below), there *is* a Symantec registry folder!?!
I had been inclined to go along with the store's N2K5 recommendation
[though I'd probably get it at Wal-Mart, where it's $10-15 cheaper
P=) ], but the more I think about it, the more galling it becomes to
think that Symantec somehow had a folder (registry, yet!) preemtively
added to the system (once again, the computer store appeared clueless,
denying that they added it in during the setup, or even knew about it,
and even went so far as to say, "when you install N2K5, that should
clear things up"!).
The only other possibility I can think of is that it is somehow related
to and/or introduced by WinXP's SP2: The reason that I was in the
registry was that SP2 locked out WordPad's ability to load
"Word For Windows 6.0" ".doc" files, due to an apparent security hole.
Could SP2 have added the Symantec folder?
Or, is Norton the "unofficial" WinXP a-v program?

Or...
...am I just paranoid and there is a perfectly legitimate reason for
the
Symantec folder (i.e., some other, unrelated Symantec program)?
From what I've read, Kaspersky appears at least as good as N2K5, though
there *is* one page of reviews that is less than flattering:

http://www.pcmag.com/member_ratings/0,1757,ss=0&s=1474&a=26455,00.asp

Have any newly discovered issues with Kaspersky come up?

Would it hurt to try their 30 day trial?--or, if I did decide to choose
N2K5 or something else (or even decide on Kaspersky), would all of the
leftover debris from the two trial versions (even after "uninstalling")
likely create any potential conflicts/issues?

~Kaimbridge~

-----
Wanted-Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!):
http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html
----------
Digitology-The Grand Theory Of The Universe:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html

***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. *****
 
J

JJ

NOD32 is also a very good AV program but still is behind KAV regarding
detecting worms and spyware.(IMHO)

my personal list:

1) KAV
2) Bitdefender
3)Nod32
4) F-Secure
5)Norman
with a good runner up Avast! 4.6 pro version......

I wonder....no realy good American AV software left????

JJ
 
J

JJ

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



JJ

Ron said:
Use AVG from www.grisoft.com it's free. Don't even think about Symantec.

I upgraded to a whole new PC last month (2.8 GHz, 80 GB, WinXP-HE
[SP2]).
The local computer store that sold me and set up the system,
installed "BitDefender 8 Standard" (30 day free trial) for
introductory anti-virus protection.
For a permanent anti-virus ("a-v") platform, the store is pushing
Norton 2005 ("N2K5") [when I got my original PC from them in 1997,
the suggestion--which I took--was McAfee, which I've found to be
bloated and somewhat buggy--though part of it may have been
exasperated by my 200 MHz, 2.1 GB dinosaur! P=) ].
Googling around, another a-v package that seems decent is Kaspersky
(is it pronounced "CASper Sky" or "Kass PERskee"?).
I asked about it at the computer store and supposedly they never
heard of Kaspersky: Given that it seems to be well known in the
computer geek circles (including major computer magazines), I find
the store's (supposed) lack of awareness rather suspect (though, in
that it is a Russian company and I haven't seen their products in
local stores, I suppose it *is* possible).
There is an added wrinkle, however.
On a couple of programs I've run, I've gotten the "16 bit MS-DOS
Subsystem" error box, "C:\PROGRA~1\Symantec\S32EVNT1.DLL. An
installable Virtual Device Driver failed Dll initialization. Choose
'Close' to terminate the application."
Doing a Google search, I see that it is the result of a
faulty/corrupt Symantec (i.e., Norton) register--HUH!!!: AFAIK I
*don't have any* Symantec programs/folders/files on my 'puter!
But, sure enough, while visiting the registry (regarding a separate
issue--see below), there *is* a Symantec registry folder!?!
I had been inclined to go along with the store's N2K5 recommendation
[though I'd probably get it at Wal-Mart, where it's $10-15 cheaper
P=) ], but the more I think about it, the more galling it becomes to
think that Symantec somehow had a folder (registry, yet!) preemtively
added to the system (once again, the computer store appeared clueless,
denying that they added it in during the setup, or even knew about it,
and even went so far as to say, "when you install N2K5, that should
clear things up"!).
The only other possibility I can think of is that it is somehow related
to and/or introduced by WinXP's SP2: The reason that I was in the
registry was that SP2 locked out WordPad's ability to load
"Word For Windows 6.0" ".doc" files, due to an apparent security hole.
Could SP2 have added the Symantec folder?
Or, is Norton the "unofficial" WinXP a-v program?

Or...
...am I just paranoid and there is a perfectly legitimate reason for
the
Symantec folder (i.e., some other, unrelated Symantec program)?
From what I've read, Kaspersky appears at least as good as N2K5, though
there *is* one page of reviews that is less than flattering:

http://www.pcmag.com/member_ratings/0,1757,ss=0&s=1474&a=26455,00.asp

Have any newly discovered issues with Kaspersky come up?

Would it hurt to try their 30 day trial?--or, if I did decide to choose
N2K5 or something else (or even decide on Kaspersky), would all of the
leftover debris from the two trial versions (even after "uninstalling")
likely create any potential conflicts/issues?

~Kaimbridge~

-----
Wanted-Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!):
http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html
----------
Digitology-The Grand Theory Of The Universe:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html

***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. *****
 
A

Art

NOD32 is also a very good AV program but still is behind KAV regarding
detecting worms and spyware.(IMHO)

my personal list:

1) KAV
2) Bitdefender
3)Nod32
4) F-Secure
5)Norman
with a good runner up Avast! 4.6 pro version......

I wonder....no realy good American AV software left????

Insofar as detection capabilities go, McAfee is right up there close
to KAV. Also, your list should include the several products that use
the KAV scan engine such as AVK, F-Secure and Microworld's EScan.
AVK is probably at the top of the list, along with Sybari ... another
multi-engine product.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
J

JJ

yes you are correct...Gdata (AVK) is such a multi engine produkt (both
KAV and Bitdefender),also F-secure uses Kav and their own engine.
Both fine European products (Germany and Finland)

However.....if you run 2 engines it takes also much RAM....that's the
backside of multi engine AV software:-(

macafee is maybe good in detecting viruses...but as i said on the trojan
front it lakes....also it uses much RAM and the updates are somewhat
diffcicult. (you have to sign in first with your email adress)
But as a whole i certainly would prefer it over Norton (or AVG) which is
IMHO total CRAP.

I never heard of Escan...


JJ
 
P

Peter Seiler

JJ - 18.06.2005 13:43 :
OOOOOOOOOOOOOO Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

what is your message? Your keys hang. And: why unnecessarely post 100
quoting lines [snipped] only posting the above line and xpost over 3 NGs?

Please learn to quote/think about your usenet behavior. THX in advance.
 
C

* * Chas

Allen L. said:
In (e-mail address removed) <[email protected]> typed:
As far a virus programs go there is a large difference between Norton and
say Symantec Corporate A.V.s

The corporate version Symantec Antivirus is as different as night and day
from Norton. They are both bloated in size as most all software seems to be
at present. Symantec is designed without the frills of Norton and is
business like in it's AV properties and does a very good job in my opinion.
Yes agreed, but Symantec Enterprise Edition is designed for use in an
organizational setting and costs much more than the consumer products
that I think the OP is inquiring about.

Chas.
 

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