Kaspersky better than Trend Micro pC?

[BabyJane Hudson]

Is Kaspersky better than Trend Micro PC? Is there something better
than those two?

Thanks,
Jane Hudson
As The Wicked Witch of the west warned: Just try and stay
out of my way. Just try! I'll get you, my pretty
and your little dog too!

 

[Art]

Is Kaspersky better than Trend Micro PC?
Yes.

Is there something better than those two?

There are several which are better than Trend for
home users.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Art:

There are several which are better than Trend for
home users.

Anybody got an opinion on "Avast!" ?

I started using it on my playpen PC a few weeks ago and no problems yet.
One thing that sounded good to me was that the freebie version that I'm using is
basically a marketing tool for the "Enterprise" version - so there's probably a
reasonably serious effort behind it.

OTOH, that PC could be a seething mass of viruses (virii?) and maybe I'd never
know it....??

 

[Art]

Per Art:

Anybody got an opinion on "Avast!" ?

I started using it on my playpen PC a few weeks ago and no problems yet.
One thing that sounded good to me was that the freebie version that I'm using is
basically a marketing tool for the "Enterprise" version - so there's probably a
reasonably serious effort behind it.

OTOH, that PC could be a seething mass of viruses (virii?) and maybe I'd never
know it....??

Viruses is the correct plural of virus. Since viruses (replicative
code attached to a host program) are just a small percentage of
the malicious code problem nowdays, the blanket term is "malware"
(malicous software).

There's no reason for a PC to be a seething mass of malware if the
users practice safe hex and don't rely on av to protect them. Those
who do rely on av protection should use the best, IMO. None of the
free av are anywhere near the best.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[slartyb]

Per Art:

Anybody got an opinion on "Avast!" ?

I started using it on my playpen PC a few weeks ago and no problems yet.
One thing that sounded good to me was that the freebie version that I'm using is
basically a marketing tool for the "Enterprise" version - so there's probably a
reasonably serious effort behind it.

OTOH, that PC could be a seething mass of viruses (virii?) and maybe I'd never
know it....??

That is the worry, people use things like avg free and avast etc and
reckon they are magic and they never had a problem, and recommend it
to other people.

What i say is,.. dont worry about what these freebies can detect,
worry about what they do not detect, i have seen machines where the
owner thought avg was updating daily or whatever and they actually
never were!

If people use a freebie, they really should back it up with an online
scan from kaspersky, norton, mcafee or similar

There is just too many unknowns with the freebies

Please prove me wrong.
ban rectum thermometers

 

[AlanG]

That is the worry, people use things like avg free and avast etc and
reckon they are magic and they never had a problem, and recommend it
to other people.

What i say is,.. dont worry about what these freebies can detect,
worry about what they do not detect, i have seen machines where the
owner thought avg was updating daily or whatever and they actually
never were!

If people use a freebie, they really should back it up with an online
scan from kaspersky, norton, mcafee or similar

There is just too many unknowns with the freebies

I've been using Norton A/V since 2002...updated to 2005 and regularly use
their Live Updates...but when it never found any viruses I decided to get a
second opinion.

So I ran an online scan with Bit Defender, and it found 21 viruses in 59
infected files and another 13 suspect files, all of which it deleted.

So...is Norton A/V not very good...or is Bit Defender better....or (paranoia
time) could/would Bit Defender say it found all those viruses hoping I'd buy
the software??

 

[Max Wachtel]

(e-mail address removed) AKA slartyb on 2/2/2006 In alt.comp.anti-virus
after much thought,came up with this jewel:

That is the worry, people use things like avg free and avast etc and
reckon they are magic and they never had a problem, and recommend it
to other people.

What i say is,.. dont worry about what these freebies can detect,
worry about what they do not detect, i have seen machines where the
owner thought avg was updating daily or whatever and they actually
never were!

If people use a freebie, they really should back it up with an online
scan from kaspersky, norton, mcafee or similar

There is just too many unknowns with the freebies

Please prove me wrong.
ban rectum thermometers

I have cleaned machines with Norton,McAfee,etc.,that had not been
updated for a while.Seems that user error is still No.1 cause of
infection,no matter what AV is installed......

"why is there a little red X on my taskbar?"
"what do you mean,update?"
"the little thingy has changed color! What does that mean?"
"oh,I just turned that off"
max
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[slartyb]

I've been using Norton A/V since 2002...updated to 2005 and regularly use
their Live Updates...but when it never found any viruses I decided to get a
second opinion.

So I ran an online scan with Bit Defender, and it found 21 viruses in 59
infected files and another 13 suspect files, all of which it deleted.

So...is Norton A/V not very good...or is Bit Defender better....or (paranoia
time) could/would Bit Defender say it found all those viruses hoping I'd buy
the software??

Well, We dont know Exactly what bit defender reckons it found, and
where they were actually located on the pc.

Maybe another scan by kasperky , norton or mcafee online may have
clarified the position.

Maybe another group member can advise what engine bitdefender online
uses nowdays.

Once again there is a few unknowns with this scan you did.

Do you still have the log from the online scan?

 

[BabyJane Hudson]

Yes.

Would you explain why, please?

There are several which are better than Trend for
home users.

Would you name them?

Thanks,

Jane.

 

[Gary]

Is Kaspersky better than Trend Micro PC? Is there something better
than those two?

To answer your question about the two Kaspersky has a higher detection rate
than Trend Micro. When it comes to Trojan horses I have not found a better
AV then Kaspersky for detecting those. If I had to choose between two AV's
it would be either NOD32 or Kaspersky. I choose Kaspersky because of it's
better Trojan detection.

 

[Peter Rogers]

Is Kaspersky better than Trend Micro PC? Is there something better
than those two?

Thanks,
Jane Hudson
As The Wicked Witch of the west warned: Just try and stay
out of my way. Just try! I'll get you, my pretty
and your little dog too!

Hi Jane

I used NAV for years 'till it nearly killed my PC with its massive
system load!

Did lots of research and tried several of the "top 10" and ended up
with Kaspersky AV which came top in the virus detection poll. I have
used it now for six months without problem. It is easy to set up and
use.

Look on this newsgroup for people who post with problems on Kaspersky
- they are very few. I know I made the right choice.

Peter
Posting from Peter Rogers

Replace NOSPAM with ntlworld to reply

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per AlanG:

So I ran an online scan with Bit Defender, and it found 21 viruses in 59
infected files and another 13 suspect files, all of which it deleted.

Be careful with any auto-delete option. Seems to me like most of the
anti-virus apps make the occasional incorrect diagnosis. I'd think it's just a
matter of the right binary string coincidentally appearing in a
document/application.

 

[Art]

Would you explain why, please?

Detection capabilities, reliability, ease of updating,
speed of making new detections available.

Would you name them?

A few good scanners people seem happy with, and which also
have at least somewhat better overall detection rates in various
categories, include F-Prot, NOD32 and Bit Defender. When it
comes to McAfee and NAV, they are so bloated and annoying
according to many users that I don't recommend them. They
do both have better overall detection rates than Trend though.
In fact, McAfee has long been a near equal to KAV in large
scale detection tests.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[AlanG]

I used NAV for years 'till it nearly killed my PC with its massive
system load!

Did lots of research and tried several of the "top 10" and ended up
with Kaspersky AV which came top in the virus detection poll. I have
used it now for six months without problem. It is easy to set up and
use.

Look on this newsgroup for people who post with problems on Kaspersky
- they are very few. I know I made the right choice.

I just ran an online scan with Kaspersky and it came up clean. Question:
how does the free online scan differ from the purchased product?

I was pretty impressed with it, except for this blurb next to the scanning
box:

You have Kaspersky Online Scanner version 5.0.67.0 installed. The current
a/v database was released on Sunday, February 3rd, 2006 and contains 163,999
records. Last I checked, it's not Sunday, and when it will be it won't be
Feb. 3rd :>)

 

[BabyJane Hudson]

Art, et al,
I have Trend and someone sent me a URL to Kaspersky so I went to
the site out of curiosity. Hum, I see they do an on-line scan, so I
decide to do it. Unfortauntely, I have never allowed it to finish.
Why, because when it gets to the Trends files, it was still going
through them a few hours later, so I just stopped it. But, it said my
computer has three viruses, six supicious files and I forget what
else.
I decide to do a scan with my Trend it and it says nothing about any
viruses. Is Kaspersky trying to scare me into buying there product, or
is Trend not that good?
Tonight when I go to bed, I am again going to let Kaspersky do its
online scan and let the computer run all night. It will be interesting
to see what I find when I get up.
Also, this Trend MicroPC seems to be using a lot of ram as my
startup utility says about three or fours programs are running related
to it. I have a Pentium 4, 1.2, with 1024 megs of ram, yet the
comptuer seems sugglish at times, most times in fact.

Your thoughts?
JAne

 

[Gary]

Art, et al,
I have Trend and someone sent me a URL to Kaspersky so I went to
the site out of curiosity. Hum, I see they do an on-line scan, so I
decide to do it. Unfortauntely, I have never allowed it to finish.
Why, because when it gets to the Trends files, it was still going
through them a few hours later, so I just stopped it. But, it said my
computer has three viruses, six supicious files and I forget what
else.
I decide to do a scan with my Trend it and it says nothing about any
viruses. Is Kaspersky trying to scare me into buying there product, or
is Trend not that good?
Tonight when I go to bed, I am again going to let Kaspersky do its
online scan and let the computer run all night. It will be interesting
to see what I find when I get up.
Also, this Trend MicroPC seems to be using a lot of ram as my
startup utility says about three or fours programs are running related
to it. I have a Pentium 4, 1.2, with 1024 megs of ram, yet the
comptuer seems sugglish at times, most times in fact.

Your thoughts?
JAne

I don't trust online scans because I have seen them fail to detect viruses
or Trojans. Just me you will be happy if you choose Kaspersky. It is the
only AV I install on my customers computers. I have not had one customer
call me about a virus of Trojan problem like I did with other AV's that miss
viruses and Trojans. It's been two years since I went to Kaspersky.

 

[Art]

Art, et al,
I have Trend and someone sent me a URL to Kaspersky so I went to
the site out of curiosity. Hum, I see they do an on-line scan, so I
decide to do it. Unfortauntely, I have never allowed it to finish.
Why, because when it gets to the Trends files, it was still going
through them a few hours later, so I just stopped it. But, it said my
computer has three viruses, six supicious files and I forget what
else.
I decide to do a scan with my Trend it and it says nothing about any
viruses. Is Kaspersky trying to scare me into buying there product, or
is Trend not that good?

Kaspersky is definitely not trying to scare you into buying their
product. KAV very rarely false alarms, so you should take the
report seriously. And yes, it would not be surprising at all that
KAV finds malware other av miss. That happens frequently.

Tonight when I go to bed, I am again going to let Kaspersky do its
online scan and let the computer run all night. It will be interesting
to see what I find when I get up.
Also, this Trend MicroPC seems to be using a lot of ram as my
startup utility says about three or fours programs are running related
to it. I have a Pentium 4, 1.2, with 1024 megs of ram, yet the
comptuer seems sugglish at times, most times in fact.

Your thoughts?

Well, insofar as the slowness you're experiencing, that _may_
be due to one or more infestions of malware.

I suggest, rather than a online scan, download KASFX from my
web site. It uses the Kaspersky scan engine. KASFX will
automatically do a update, so make you're online when you
first run it. It will then open the av utility. At first, just let
the utility do its default scan of important areas. That will
go pretty quickly. Later on, you can elect to have it scan
and clean entire drives.

Let us know how you make out.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[BabyJane Hudson]

Tonight when I go to bed, I am again going to let Kaspersky do its
online scan and let the computer run all night. It will be interesting
to see what I find when I get up.

Yes, it was interesting when I got up. I went to bed around 11:00p.m.
Friday, and when I got up this today (Sat.) around 9:00a.m. I checked
my computer and it was only at 52% and still going though the Trend
files. I just quit it.

Yes, I will do as you have suggested Art, re visiting your site, and
let you know what I find out.

Lastly, if I get rid of Trend and go with Kaspersky, I am going to
need to get a firewall. Can you recommend one that is good and
hopefully cheap as I am on disability and money can be tight
sometimes.

Thanks to you and everyone for your generous help.

Jane

 

[Peter Seiler]

BabyJane Hudson - 04.02.2006 21:13 :

Lastly, if I get rid of Trend and go with Kaspersky, I am going to
need to get a firewall. Can you recommend one that is good and
hopefully cheap as I am on disability and money can be tight
sometimes.

why not a AV with integrated firewall?

Have a look at BitDefender Professional Plus or BD Internet Security
(actual versions #9):

http://www.bitdefender.com/

 

[Art]

Yes, it was interesting when I got up. I went to bed around 11:00p.m.
Friday, and when I got up this today (Sat.) around 9:00a.m. I checked
my computer and it was only at 52% and still going though the Trend
files. I just quit it.

Yes, I will do as you have suggested Art, re visiting your site, and
let you know what I find out.

Lastly, if I get rid of Trend and go with Kaspersky, I am going to
need to get a firewall. Can you recommend one that is good and
hopefully cheap as I am on disability and money can be tight
sometimes.

There are several "free for home use" software firewalls to choose
from. My favorite is Sygate. Even though it won't be developed
any further (Sygate was bought out) it's available from SimTel:

http://www.simtel.com/product.download.mirrors.php?id=53687

The XP sp2 built-in fw is also ok to use. It doesn't alert to
unauthorized outgoing, but it does the job of blocking
incoming probes.

The best approach is to use a external fw/NAT router
but they're not free

Thanks to you and everyone for your generous help.

You're welcome and do keep us informed.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg