Just what is XP Black???????

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Ken Springer

I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me
and his dad to install that on our computers.

I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot
find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether
it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the
"bogus" issue. :-(

Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to
do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is
as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not
masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus
version!

Thanks.

Ken
 
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Carey Frisch [MVP]

Microsoft never released a version of Windows XP called "black edition".
Obviously, your nephew likely downloaded an illegal, non-genuine, counterfeit
copy that's likely loaded with malware. Do not install!

Please make a disc comparison:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me
and his dad to install that on our computers.

I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot
find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether
it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the
"bogus" issue. :-(

Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to
do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is
as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not
masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus
version!

Thanks.

Ken
 
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Alias

Ken said:
I've got a nephew who had come up with a copy of XP Black. He is after me
and his dad to install that on our computers.

I've done a Google search, and one here in the XP newsgroups, and cannot
find out exactly what it is.......or isn't. Just discussions as to whether
it's bogus or not. Even in this newsgroup area there's an argument about the
"bogus" issue. :-(

Bogus or not, what *IS* it? This is what I want to know.

If it is bogus, I might make a separate boot partition (have to learn how to
do that! LOL) to experiment with XP Black. But I've no intention to use is
as the regular OS. Too damn many problems with the real thing, I'm not
masochistic enough to want to mess with additional problems from a bogus
version!

Thanks.

Ken

Sure it isn't called Illusion or Angelical? If so, it's a combination of
Windows 2000 and XP with Vista eye candy thrown in and will accept XP
updates through Auto Updates. It needs less horsepower to run as the
bloat was removed. I suspect MS isn't too crazy about it but I'm not
sure it's illegal. The only versions I've seen are in Spanish and were
put together by some dude in Costa Rica. No malware, viruses or blue
meanies come with it.

Alias
 
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Bill in Co.

VanguardLH said:
Oh yeah, sure, he "came up with" a *copy* of the software. So just what
does that mean? WHERE did he get this *copy*? You've never heard of
pirated or cracked software? You accept unknown software being
installed on your hosts?


And just what is YOUR criteria for requiring something other than what
is already installed and working on your computers?


Go back to the source. Ask your nephew just where the hell he
"acquired" this software and HOW he acquired it. There are no
legitimate downloads of Windows unless you have paid the pricey cost of
a MSDN subscription.

You didn't get suspicious of your nephew when on your last birthday he
gave you 6 DVD players, 4 computers, 8 televisions, a dozen cell phones,
cartons of costume jewelry, several dashboard radios but not in boxes
and with cut wires, and a hangun with the serial number filed off?


It is whatever the nephew put on the media that he is trying to con you
into installing. Why are you asking us about some unidentified program
instead of asking your nephew? You think your nephew is a saint that he
can do no wrong? How OLD is this nephew?

Are you asking about some child's concept of morality?

LOL. In today's world??? (You sound like an old fogie, like me).
 
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Unknown

You sure make a lot of assumptions.
VanguardLH said:
Oh yeah, sure, he "came up with" a *copy* of the software. So just what
does that mean? WHERE did he get this *copy*? You've never heard of
pirated or cracked software? You accept unknown software being
installed on your hosts?


And just what is YOUR criteria for requiring something other than what
is already installed and working on your computers?


Go back to the source. Ask your nephew just where the hell he
"acquired" this software and HOW he acquired it. There are no
legitimate downloads of Windows unless you have paid the pricey cost of
a MSDN subscription.

You didn't get suspicious of your nephew when on your last birthday he
gave you 6 DVD players, 4 computers, 8 televisions, a dozen cell phones,
cartons of costume jewelry, several dashboard radios but not in boxes
and with cut wires, and a hangun with the serial number filed off?


It is whatever the nephew put on the media that he is trying to con you
into installing. Why are you asking us about some unidentified program
instead of asking your nephew? You think your nephew is a saint that he
can do no wrong? How OLD is this nephew? Are you asking about some
child's concept of morality? Did you get him to sign a contract that he
will purchase pre-built computers from a local retailer of YOUR choice
at any price should his software cause problems on your computers?
Yeah, like that's going to happen. You are already suspicious of your
nephew and you want us to assuage your fears based on your experience
with this nephew and his known behaviors. Be the adult in the equation.


You have nothing else more fun on which to expend your valuable time
than to waste it on unknown software?
 
K

Ken Springer

Thanks to all who took the time to post, there's one post that did really
good in answering my question.

There are some replies to specific posts below.

And I was so l looking forward to those blue meanies that were mentioned!!
LOL

Ken
 
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Ken Springer

Hi, Carey,

Thanks for the media comparison link. I'll bookmark it in my browser when I
get home.

Ken
 
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Ken Springer

Hi, Ken,

As I mentioned in the post, since it's bogus I'd install it somewhere that I
wouldn't feel bad about formatting the drive it's on to get rid of it. If I
had an extra computer to play with, I'd install it there. :)

Ken
 
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Ken Springer

Hi, Alias,

I've no clue if it was once called Illusion or Angelical. Are these some
other hacks of XP?

I do find it interesting that the hackers always seem to be able to write
efficient code with little bloat, but a multi-million dollar company like
Microsoft can't. :-(

One thing I know, the nephew wouldn't give me something in Spanish! LOL


Ken
 
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Ken Springer

HI, Vanguard.

Well......... Maybe it's your choice of words and/or the way I read your
reply, but you sure sound like you're angry with the world.

Please see below for inline replies.

VanguardLH said:
Oh yeah, sure, he "came up with" a *copy* of the software. So just what
does that mean? WHERE did he get this *copy*? You've never heard of
pirated or cracked software? You accept unknown software being
installed on your hosts?

As I said in my post, I'm here to find out what it is, not asking for advice
as to what to do with it. That's my decision and mine alone.

Besides, all of us old farts have heard of pirated or cracked software."
The practice drove a lot of developers away from some early computer
platforms.

An observation.... Sounds like you've assumed I'm an IT specialist or
similar with your "installed on your hosts" comment. Couldn't be further
from the truth.
And just what is YOUR criteria for requiring something other than what
is already installed and working on your computers?

Therein lies part of the problem, so much stuff that you put on a computer
that is legal causes nothing but grief so much of the time.

Plus you assume that what I have installed on my computer is working. If
everything on my computers was working, I wouldn't be in the middle of
reinstalling Win98 on an old computer. :)

I would just love to be sure the software and system would be trouble free.
But I've come to the sad conclusion that will never happen with Windows. MS,
IMO, just doesn't seem to be able to make their Windows OS's troublefree
before releasing a new and better version that introduces more bugs.

So, unless I need a new Windows platform for a job, I've probably bought my
last Windows OS based computer. I can't imagine it would be any worse
somewhere else. :-(
Go back to the source. Ask your nephew just where the hell he
"acquired" this software and HOW he acquired it. There are no
legitimate downloads of Windows unless you have paid the pricey cost of
a MSDN subscription.

I know where he got it, and it was given to him, he didn't ask for it. But
I'm not here to create issues or get anyone into trouble, just trying to
learn something. Is that so bad? For all I know, the human being that gave
him the copy paid for that pricey MSDN subscription.
You didn't get suspicious of your nephew when on your last birthday he
gave you 6 DVD players, 4 computers, 8 televisions, a dozen cell phones,
cartons of costume jewelry, several dashboard radios but not in boxes
and with cut wires, and a hangun with the serial number filed off?

Wow. I'm sure this was tongue in cheek, right? If not meant in jest,
you're just affirming, to me, my earlier comment about being angry with the
world.
It is whatever the nephew put on the media that he is trying to con you
into installing. Why are you asking us about some unidentified program
instead of asking your nephew? You think your nephew is a saint that he
can do no wrong? How OLD is this nephew? Are you asking about some
child's concept of morality? Did you get him to sign a contract that he
will purchase pre-built computers from a local retailer of YOUR choice
at any price should his software cause problems on your computers?
Yeah, like that's going to happen. You are already suspicious of your
nephew and you want us to assuage your fears based on your experience
with this nephew and his known behaviors. Be the adult in the equation.

Assumption #1- He is responsible for the content of the CD. He is not.

Assumption #2- You assume he knows what *exactly* is on the CD. Which he
doesn't.

Assumption #3- I asked a morality question, I did not. I asked if anyone
knew what the contents of said CD would be. I've done nothing more that look
at it with my eyeballs, haven't even stuck it in a drive. :)

Assumption #4- I have some fears based on his previous actions. None
whatsoever.

You have nothing else more fun on which to expend your valuable time
than to waste it on unknown software?

Compelled to point out, that *any* software that an individual knows nothing
about is "unknown" software.

This is an honest question for you, why did you even bother to write your
reply? I'm retired, I've got lots of time to ask questions. :)

Ken
 
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Ken Springer

Hi, Pa Bear.

LOL He has installed it on his computers. He likes the look and feel, and
some of the "gadgets", but he has had a couple of issues. Since the hardware
is of his own assembly and choosing of parts, there is no way to know whether
there's an incompatibility there that is causing one or more of his problems.

Besides, he's had more trouble with his HP laptop with "official" HP
installed software than he's had with his homegrown computer. And I've got a
sister who's had problems with her HP desktop, and knows less about computers
than the average elementary school student.

Ken
 
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Ken Springer

Good Morning, PA Bear,

I've actually not made any decision on what to do. I'm still mulling over
my alternatives.

My XP based computer is old and slow. At least 6 years old. And over the
years, I've tried enough pieces of legitimate software that there's lots of
"leftovers" scattered about that really seem to have had a negative
cumulative effect.

One thing I don't like about the restore/reinstall disks on the XP computer
is they are simply a disk image or back up files of the original machine. So
it's going to install the drivers for hardware that no longer exists in the
machine (modem and hard drive come to mind at the moment), as well as
software I don't want. One advantage of this type of system is it's good for
the less knowledgeable user who finds himself/herself needing to start from
scratch.

At the moment, I've just got this list of alternatives:

1. The good old "do nothing" alternative, and just live with the way it is
in order to avoid the work. LOL

2. Reinstall the original software and try to get things removed that I
don't want. I've never been able to remove all the stuff associated with the
original modem. It continues to show up in the add/remove control panel even
though the modem went to the landfill many years ago. But this issue may be
associated with the new modem and the vendor forgot to change a word or two
in the coding for the current modem. The software disk for the current modem
contains file references to the name of the original modem.

3. Buy a stand alone copy of XP, if I can still find one, and install it.
I'd probably buy XP Pro. I've got Outlook 2007 installed now (I've got a
cell phone with Windows Mobile 6 and I sync the phone to the computer) and
Outlook 2007 spends so much time being pretty it takes forever to display new
screens. And I've not found a single feature in it that didn't exist in
Outlook 2000. In fact, there's one feature in 2000 I used but can't find in
2007. I bought Outlook 2007 because Active Sync occasionally would complain
about Outlook 2000. Hasn't been a good buy, IMO.

If I do buy XP Pro, I'd also look for Office 2003 Professional, and
basically start from scratch.

4. Buy and install one of the Linux OS's out there. At least the software
is reasonably priced. And from what I've learned so far, a lot of the Linux
software has the ability to read and write MS file formats as well as being
almost as powerful as current Windows stuff. Still a lot to learn here.

5. Buy a new off the shelf computer. My inclination here is, it would be a
Mac. As posted earlier, I'll only buy a new off the shelf Windows computer
if I need one for a job.

6. Take the existing computer, make it a dual boot computer and play with
XP Black as a separate installation.

7. For no more computer needs than I have now, and the lessened interest in
computers due to the Windows issues of software with useless features for me,
continuing growth of program and filesizes that require more horsepower,
viruses, spam, spyware, I may just blow off XP and go back to Win98 on my 400
mhz Pentium II Dell. For what I do now, it gets the job done a lot faster.
I will stipulate that if I reinstall XP and install all the updates, the XP
computer will probably run my older MS software faster. But........ I don't
think most of the virus writers out there are targeting Win98. :) There
are some antivirus program available that still support Win98 where the "big
boys" won't give you the time of day.

And possibly some variation of any of the above.

At the moment, my preferred alternative is to buy a Mac.

So I've made no decision as yet. :)


Ken
 
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Daave

You forgot:

7. Address what is currently wrong with your PC and fix it.

For starters, have a look at "Slow Computer":
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/slowcom.htm

If you still have questions/issues, simply post them here. I am
confident one of us will be able to assist you.

Also know that it is possible to create your own installation disk as
long as you have access to the i386 directory:

http://www.howtohaven.com/system/createwindowssetupdisk.shtml

Very useful for repairs! And then you could always perform a clean
install if the mood strikes you (then again, clean installs are almost
always unnecessary), and you wouldn't have to deal with any
pre-installed bloatware.

There is no reason whatsoever you should buy a new XP disk; you already
have the license! Pro, in your situation, probably won't provide any
advantages over Home. However, MS Office will need to be purchased if
you want to install it. Then again, Sun provides an excellent *free*
alternative suite:

http://www.openoffice.org/

Or you could just buy a Mac. ;-)
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Hi, Ken,

As I mentioned in the post, since it's bogus I'd install it somewhere that I
wouldn't feel bad about formatting the drive it's on to get rid of it. If I
had an extra computer to play with, I'd install it there. :)


Your choice, of course. Mine, as I said, would be to stay away from it
completely. I wouldn't even want it on a separate drive on my
computer. Malware, if it's infected, *can* impact things on other
drives.
 

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