Just my two cents

[Dave Cox]

At this point in time Vista is very demanding to perform as well (or
stable) as we have grown accustom to with XP. In 6 months to a year
when Hardware and software manufactures get onboard and up to speed
with Vista things will be much different then they are now. 98% of
what you hear in here now, will have faded away.(except for the Linux
groupies)

Guess what! Microsoft will probably have yet another OS (with bugs)
out in a few years and the cycle will start all over. It's the
nature of the beast. If you don't like it SIMPLE don't buy Microsoft.
You can cry all you want but if you feel there needs to be change
hit them where they will listen THEIR WALLET not a damn usenet group
where the majority of people have ALREADY purchased an OS and are
just here for some helpful comments to a problem.

Are there bugs now that could be fixed? Of course there are! That's
why we have updates and service packs. Anyone who ever buys a new OS
no matter if It's from Microsoft, Apple or even the from the Linux
crowd and hopes or expects it to be bug free is just a damn fool. I
especially don't need some anal retintive idiot to try and tell me
what bugs there are over and over again or think it's his/her duty to
do so. I can figure that out quite well on my own.
Thank You very much!

Remember just one thing, the path to the future is only going to be
made by taking baby steps and falling down a few times. I for one
welcome the changes being made in the software and hardware industry,
just look back and see how far we have come the past 20 years and
think where we would of been if Apple and Microsoft (or whom ever)
didn't push the envelope by designing Operating systems that didn't
demand more (or compete against one another). No matter how small the
changes or how visable they appear to be.

Now apply that same progress into the next 20 years. That my
friends is where I want to be!.

Does one plow ahead into the future and conquer the hurdles along the
way or play it safe and not push for change? I think it's just a
matter of choice.

 

[NotMe]

I have seen a LOT of new software releases since I started with computers in
the late 60's, almost all were improvements.
It's my opinion that they went backwards with the 'new' version of Windows.
If I wanted Fisher-Price & AOL combined, I could have gone to Toys-R-Us.

--
A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!
(e-mail address removed)
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At this point in time Vista is very demanding to perform as well (or
stable) as we have grown accustom to with XP. In 6 months to a year
when Hardware and software manufactures get onboard and up to speed
with Vista things will be much different then they are now. 98% of
what you hear in here now, will have faded away.(except for the Linux
groupies)

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[Vigilante]

I just wish they would have had some reasonable features with the UAC for starters.
I got a decent machine for Vista and it runs my flight simulators very well.
E6600 C2Duo 2.4 with 2 GB PC800 RAM and a 250GB SATA 300 drive with a GForce 7300 GT 512 MB SLI card.
I am pretty happy with the build once I got it stable.
The toughest thing I had to do was find a decent Anti Spyware and AntiVirus program that didn't bog the system to hell.
So far, Avast had the best AV system.

Now the UAC... everything is good or everything is bad.
There is no feature to set privileges for a program to stop warning me after I already clicked the icon.
The system needs an over haul for regular use, it isn't even out of an Alpha stage yet.
Custom settings that let me see the programs I have given permission to and how warnings occur.
A screen refresh every dang time is ridiculous.

At this point in time Vista is very demanding to perform as well (or
stable) as we have grown accustom to with XP. In 6 months to a year
when Hardware and software manufactures get onboard and up to speed
with Vista things will be much different then they are now. 98% of
what you hear in here now, will have faded away.(except for the Linux
groupies)

Guess what! Microsoft will probably have yet another OS (with bugs)
out in a few years and the cycle will start all over. It's the
nature of the beast. If you don't like it SIMPLE don't buy Microsoft.
You can cry all you want but if you feel there needs to be change
hit them where they will listen THEIR WALLET not a damn usenet group
where the majority of people have ALREADY purchased an OS and are
just here for some helpful comments to a problem.

Are there bugs now that could be fixed? Of course there are! That's
why we have updates and service packs. Anyone who ever buys a new OS
no matter if It's from Microsoft, Apple or even the from the Linux
crowd and hopes or expects it to be bug free is just a damn fool. I
especially don't need some anal retintive idiot to try and tell me
what bugs there are over and over again or think it's his/her duty to
do so. I can figure that out quite well on my own.
Thank You very much!

Remember just one thing, the path to the future is only going to be
made by taking baby steps and falling down a few times. I for one
welcome the changes being made in the software and hardware industry,
just look back and see how far we have come the past 20 years and
think where we would of been if Apple and Microsoft (or whom ever)
didn't push the envelope by designing Operating systems that didn't
demand more (or compete against one another). No matter how small the
changes or how visable they appear to be.

Now apply that same progress into the next 20 years. That my
friends is where I want to be!.

Does one plow ahead into the future and conquer the hurdles along the
way or play it safe and not push for change? I think it's just a
matter of choice.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

I have seen a LOT of new software releases since I started with computers
in the late 60's, almost all were improvements.
It's my opinion that they went backwards with the 'new' version of
Windows.
If I wanted Fisher-Price & AOL combined, I could have gone to Toys-R-Us.

Sorry, you no more know what you're talking about than man in the Moon.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0905.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx

 

[John Locke]

I have seen a LOT of new software releases since I started with computers in
the late 60's, almost all were improvements.
It's my opinion that they went backwards with the 'new' version of Windows.
If I wanted Fisher-Price & AOL combined, I could have gone to Toys-R-Us.

They didn't exactly go backwards. They've gone off on a wild tangent where
customers don't want to go.

 

[Jerry]

NOD32 is a very good antivirus for Vista.
I just wish they would have had some reasonable features with the UAC for starters.
I got a decent machine for Vista and it runs my flight simulators very well.
E6600 C2Duo 2.4 with 2 GB PC800 RAM and a 250GB SATA 300 drive with a GForce 7300 GT 512 MB SLI card.
I am pretty happy with the build once I got it stable.
The toughest thing I had to do was find a decent Anti Spyware and AntiVirus program that didn't bog the system to hell.
So far, Avast had the best AV system.

Now the UAC... everything is good or everything is bad.
There is no feature to set privileges for a program to stop warning me after I already clicked the icon.
The system needs an over haul for regular use, it isn't even out of an Alpha stage yet.
Custom settings that let me see the programs I have given permission to and how warnings occur.
A screen refresh every dang time is ridiculous.

At this point in time Vista is very demanding to perform as well (or
stable) as we have grown accustom to with XP. In 6 months to a year
when Hardware and software manufactures get onboard and up to speed
with Vista things will be much different then they are now. 98% of
what you hear in here now, will have faded away.(except for the Linux
groupies)

Guess what! Microsoft will probably have yet another OS (with bugs)
out in a few years and the cycle will start all over. It's the
nature of the beast. If you don't like it SIMPLE don't buy Microsoft.
You can cry all you want but if you feel there needs to be change
hit them where they will listen THEIR WALLET not a damn usenet group
where the majority of people have ALREADY purchased an OS and are
just here for some helpful comments to a problem.

Are there bugs now that could be fixed? Of course there are! That's
why we have updates and service packs. Anyone who ever buys a new OS
no matter if It's from Microsoft, Apple or even the from the Linux
crowd and hopes or expects it to be bug free is just a damn fool. I
especially don't need some anal retintive idiot to try and tell me
what bugs there are over and over again or think it's his/her duty to
do so. I can figure that out quite well on my own.
Thank You very much!

Remember just one thing, the path to the future is only going to be
made by taking baby steps and falling down a few times. I for one
welcome the changes being made in the software and hardware industry,
just look back and see how far we have come the past 20 years and
think where we would of been if Apple and Microsoft (or whom ever)
didn't push the envelope by designing Operating systems that didn't
demand more (or compete against one another). No matter how small the
changes or how visable they appear to be.

Now apply that same progress into the next 20 years. That my
friends is where I want to be!.

Does one plow ahead into the future and conquer the hurdles along the
way or play it safe and not push for change? I think it's just a
matter of choice.

 

[Gladiator]

Are there bugs now that could be fixed? Of course there are! That's
why we have updates and service packs. Anyone who ever buys a new OS
no matter if It's from Microsoft, Apple or even the from the Linux
crowd and hopes or expects it to be bug free is just a damn fool.

One big difference about Linux. It is FREE so I don't mind the bugs
but when I pay good money for an OS I expect better than Vista has
proven to be. I'm a gamer and no gamer in his right mind would use
Vista as a gaming OS. If I wanted the gaming functionality of OSX then
I would have bought OSX and not Vista. Microsoft is losing sight of
just who their customers are.

 

[Gladiator]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:20:32 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.

Sorry, you no more know what you're talking about than man in the Moon.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0905.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx

Um, you are linking to internal Microsoft documents. Of course they
are going to tout themselves up! I don't go into a stereo store that
only sells one amp and ask which is the best they have. And that
supposedly improved TCP stack required me to have to install a PCI
ethernet card because it was NFG with my onboard ethernet.

 

[Gladiator]

So far, Avast had the best AV system.

Avast? I am currently using Avast on my Win2K system and AVG on Vista.
AVG is far less of a system slowdown AV thand Avast. To open Firefox
takes about three times as long as my PC running AVG. As the other
person said, Nod32 is suposed to be the best in that way though. Thing
is you shouldn't be running all that crap in the background when
gaming anyway. I have a .bat file that shuts all that shite down when
gaming and I disconnect from the internet anyway so it's very hard for
a virus to get me when I do game. Even when MP gaming I still don't
run AV or anti spyware in the background. I don't build higher end
systems to have it all hobbled by AV's etc.running in the background.
AV software causes a big hit on disk I/O performance. Some less than
others.

 

[Dave Cox]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:20:32 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.

Um, you are linking to internal Microsoft documents. Of course
they are going to tout themselves up! I don't go into a stereo
store that only sells one amp and ask which is the best they have.
And that supposedly improved TCP stack required me to have to
install a PCI ethernet card because it was NFG with my onboard
ethernet.

Vistas implemintation of the next generation TCP/IP Stack is a
perfect example of what my original post is all about.

Yes you will see issues such as yours. As I said Microsoft and Apple
are driving the hardware manufactures to design and build better and
faster componets, most hardware manufactures are delevering new
products that have no issues with the new TCP/IP stack but there
are a few that still have issues. You really can't believe that
Microsoft or Apple should be restrained at just staying at this
level of technology where we are right now do you?

I applaud any company that is pushing technology to it's limits.

Has Microsoft done a lousy job of marketing and explaining to the
masses where they are headed and what they have in store for us and
what Vista really is under the hood and that there will be tons of
issues with people trying to get it to work with older hardware and
older software programs? Hell even newer programs (programing
software is a whole new ball game for it to take advantage Vistas
newer features) which you or I will never see.

Damn Right they have! you will never hear me argue that point.

If you ask me they truely F'ed up with such low bare minimum
requirements for Vista to run properly.


Vistas core structure isn't as f'ed up as most think. Think of it as
it was written to take advantage of tommorows hardware and software,
then you will realize why a lot of people are having issues with it
working with yesterdays tried and true hardware and software that
we all love dearly not to mention all the money we spent on it!

In the past I think that they were really bound to keeping
everything backwards compatable and we as users have come to expect
that from Microsoft and a lot of us are kinda shocked and hurt they
went on a whole new path with Vista which doesn't include being bound
to the whole backwards compatability issue. I see so many people
that just assumed that Vista was going to work with everything they
had just as it had in the past with prior versions. But come on!!!
we got to cut the chord to the past at sometime and move forward.

 

[Dave Cox]

One big difference about Linux. It is FREE so I don't mind the
bugs but when I pay good money for an OS I expect better than
Vista has proven to be. I'm a gamer and no gamer in his right mind
would use Vista as a gaming OS. If I wanted the gaming
functionality of OSX then I would have bought OSX and not Vista.
Microsoft is losing sight of just who their customers are.

Well.........I just don't know what to tell you except just as all
the game producers designed games to work with all prior version of
Windows.....So they will with Vista and when they do more then likely
they wont work with XP where will you be then? I know where I'll
be.....Playing the next generation of games that will be flooding
the market that only work on Vista.

BTW I have all my XP compatable games working great with Vista
except one and that is Civilization IV (which I heard it will work
fine, ya just got to tweak it) But I just don't really like that game
enough to bother

Quake 4
Half Life 2
Far Cry
Star wars KOTOR (took some work but just replaced a DLL)
Doom3
Unreal Tournament 2004
LOTR Shadows of Angmar ( my newest addiction and an extremly
graphical intense 3D game which I run with Ultra high settings
perfectly (well other then a few Nvidia glitches once in a very rare
occassion)

even some good oldies like

unreal
unreal II
tomb raider
powerslide
need for speed III
moto racer
retrun to castle wolfenstein
all my kids Putt Putt games - yea I even like to play them too
plus many more.

Those are just a few I have that work fantastic in Vista.
Could I get a few more FPS with XP of course! they were written for
XP and Vista does use more resources.

FYI my PC specs out with a 5.2(memory is the lowest) base score, My
graphics card rates a 5.9

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/page4.html

yea XP is faster with games but come on are you really that
fanatic about a few FPS with games? Even with unreal 2004 173 vrs
255 fps 173 fps is an awesome frame rate for any game.

Look at the other benchmarks you will see one that you could
actually bitch about besides 3D gaming and people wouldn't laugh at
you.

 

[Gladiator]

In the past I think that they were really bound to keeping
everything backwards compatable and we as users have come to expect
that from Microsoft and a lot of us are kinda shocked and hurt they
went on a whole new path with Vista which doesn't include being bound
to the whole backwards compatability issue. I see so many people
that just assumed that Vista was going to work with everything they
had just as it had in the past with prior versions. But come on!!!
we got to cut the chord to the past at sometime and move forward.

Hell no! If I can't play all my old and new games on Vista then I see
no need to continue purchasing their products. If it wasn't for my
game library I would just use Linux and not have to pay a penny for
any software. As it is now I have to dual boot XP/Vista which I don't
really want to have to do. I bought Vista as a replacement to XP and
it just isn't doing the job I expected of it. Games run slower under
Vista than XP so how is that an improvement?

 

[Mr. Arnold]

You're are joking right?

The bottom line with anything is who is behind the wheel doing the driving.
You two can sit there and make all the excuses you want to hell come hi
water and back. But If you don't know what you are doing, then you don't
know. There is no coming around that.

And you have got the nerve to post to me about it's a MS article and sure
they are going to make something of it is totaly ludicrous.

It's a totally ridiculous posts from typical clueless home user type(s).

Where do you people come from, because you don't deserve computers? They
should be taken away from you, as you're too dangerous with them with
mis-information.

 

[Adam Albright]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:50:32 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.

You're are joking right?

No bigger joke than some Bozo insisting on posting with a name that
includes Mr., then this jerk first removes all traces of whatever he
is responding to so nothing is left but the crap he posted and he's
addressing clueless? Buddy find a mirror and stare into until it sinks
in to WHO is really clueless.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

It's about time to killfile you, because you have some real serious problems
you need to address. You have completely lost you mind and you have been out
of control for sometime it looks like, which would seem to be most of your
life.

Good bye little Piss Ant.

 

[DArnold]

Let me killfile your lunacy in this one too.
Let's see if you can shape shift out of the killfiles.

 

[Adam Albright]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:07:46 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.

It's about time to killfile you, because you have some real serious problems
you need to address. You have completely lost you mind and you have been out
of control for sometime it looks like, which would seem to be most of your
life.

Good bye little Piss Ant.

The word you're look for is pissant, proving once again Mr. Arnold is
just another empty headed fanboy that doesn't know sh*t.

 

[Gladiator]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:50:32 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.

You're are joking right?

The bottom line with anything is who is behind the wheel doing the driving.

Yea, and that would be Microsoft, you dumb ****. I have no control
over how poorly Vista runs my games.

 

[Gladiator]

.Playing the next generation of games that will be flooding
the market that only work on Vista.

Flooding? Surely you jest? More like trickle, a very slow trickle.
There even new games being released today that have issues under
Vista.

BTW I have all my XP compatable games working great with Vista
except one and that is Civilization IV (which I heard it will work
fine, ya just got to tweak it) But I just don't really like that game
enough to bother

Yea, and they all run slower than under XP. You're game library is
nothing compared to mine so don't think you are an authority on the
subject. I only have one game installed under Vista as I dual boot so
don't have to use Vista for gaming. Thing is, I shouldn't have to do
that.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

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