is XP SP2 RC2 advisable for the average FCKGW user?

[Tom]

Tom,

Just one minor point.
The original poster will have to purchase multiple copies of both the
Windows XP product and if they are going down your upgrade route - they
will
also need multiple copies of the product used to upgrade compliance check
from . This is because the reason the upgrade is cheaper is that it
assume
a "paid for" license for the previous product. This previous license is
subsumed as part of the XP license during the upgrade so it not available
to
be used on another machine, which would be necessary as the original
poster
did say he had multiple machines running pirated software.

I highly suspect all of this is moot since in looking at the original
posters responses on this thread he has no interest in legitimising
himself
or the use of a Windows XP Product with Product Activation.

Of course this person isn't interested in being legal, and is using pirated
version (this person is also very wrong too!). But even then, multiple
purchases for his/her multiple PCs, it still would be cheaper.

But to add, Carey also needs to stop bashing non-MS products because of his
biased for it. it is certainly unprofessional for one to have the MS given
title to his purported help here. He does this, without ever having actually
using these products. I really don't see how he ever got those initials.

 

[perfb]

You will have to see if you can steal Linux somewhere then.
I bought the full version of Suse Linux for 80$, it is
quite a wonderful product and looks a lot nicer than XP, imho,
not to mention the painless install, and the peace-of-mind
while surfing without all the Windows
anxiety about whether one is suficiently protected/firewalled
snd whether or not one's PC is constantly vacuuming virii and
adware whenever it is online.

I only keep XP for legacy apps like Quicken.
Perhaps the Linux Crossover/Wine app is the way to go
instead of waiting for M$, in its great beneficence,
to get around to bestowing SP2 on us unwashed masses .

Only 40$ for Linux Crossover, so I hear.

fwiw, I must have upwards of 20 legal copies of all the various
versions of M$ Windows, all pre-XP, from Win2.0 to Win3.1 to Win95/98NT/2k.

Given that, I consider that I have
sufficiently contributed to the retirement plans
of all the MVP's in this forum who have been so kind as to direct me
to pay yet more money to their retirement accounts via M$.

I even have a legal copy
of OfficeXP which goes unused due to the stupid
activation issue.

 

[perfb]

yes, quite so, the SP2 RC2 does not work on FCKGW,

We did not publicaly announce that the SP2 will work on yor stolen/pirated
software.
It will not - please stop using stolen/pirated software.

evidently I was reading old news, circa May 2004.

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http://computertimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,5104,2292,00.html

"Microsoft's increasing concern over information security has
translated into its decision to bite the bullet and make its upcoming
SP2 (Service Pack 2) security patch available to all users - including
those using pirated copies of its Windows XP software. "

"We haven't explicitly done anything to SP2 to exclude it from pirated
copies," said Microsoft group product manager Barry Goffe. The United
States-based executive was interviewed via telephone."
-------------------------------------------

Since May, M$ evidently has changed their mind yet again,
continuing in their trend of fundamental disregard for
internet security and avoiding responsibility for the consequences
of their product defects. I hope those product liability lawsuits
are gathering steam.

 

[johnf]

I bought the full version of Suse Linux for 80$, it is
quite a wonderful product and looks a lot nicer than XP, imho,
not to mention the painless install, and the peace-of-mind
while surfing without all the Windows
anxiety about whether one is suficiently protected/firewalled
snd whether or not one's PC is constantly vacuuming virii and
adware whenever it is online.

I only keep XP for legacy apps like Quicken.

Well in that case, why do you need to d'load SP2?

Perhaps the Linux Crossover/Wine app is the way to go
instead of waiting for M$, in its great beneficence,
to get around to bestowing SP2 on us unwashed masses .

Only 40$ for Linux Crossover, so I hear.

fwiw, I must have upwards of 20 legal copies of all the various
versions of M$ Windows, all pre-XP, from Win2.0 to Win3.1 to
Win95/98NT/2k.

Given that, I consider that I have
sufficiently contributed to the retirement plans
of all the MVP's in this forum who have been so kind as to direct me
to pay yet more money to their retirement accounts via M$.

To use the car analogy (which you appear to love), if you have bought 5 new
Fords in the past, Ford should now give you the latest model free (or let
you steal one from a showroom)?

I even have a legal copy of OfficeXP which goes unused due to the stupid
activation issue.

What issue is there with activation if you have a legal copy?

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

evidently I was reading old news, circa May 2004.

---------------------------------------
http://computertimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,5104,2292,00.html

"Microsoft's increasing concern over information security has
translated into its decision to bite the bullet and make its upcoming
SP2 (Service Pack 2) security patch available to all users - including
those using pirated copies of its Windows XP software. "

"We haven't explicitly done anything to SP2 to exclude it from pirated
copies," said Microsoft group product manager Barry Goffe. The United
States-based executive was interviewed via telephone."
-------------------------------------------

Since May, M$ evidently has changed their mind yet again,
continuing in their trend of fundamental disregard for
internet security and avoiding responsibility for the consequences
of their product defects. I hope those product liability lawsuits
are gathering steam.

We have a huge regard for Internet Security.
As we have said - SP2 will be available for all legitimate users of Windows
XP.
Your responsibility to the Internet and security is to stop using
stolen/pirated software, pay for what you use and then get SP2 installed on
all your legitimate machines as soon as it is released.

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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

I only keep XP for legacy apps like Quicken.
Perhaps the Linux Crossover/Wine app is the way to go
instead of waiting for M$, in its great beneficence,
to get around to bestowing SP2 on us unwashed masses .

SP2 will be available to all legitimate users.
Stop using stolen/pirated software and you will not have any issues with
SP2.
Why do you think that you should receive a service packs for a product you
have no even paid for ?

As has been covered in my other responses - activation would not be a
problem if you require 5 or more licenses.
Also activation itself is pretty much 3 clicks of a mouse over the Internet
and you have still not answered why that is such an issue for you.

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[Tom]

Given that, I consider that I have
sufficiently contributed to the retirement plans
of all the MVP's in this forum who have been so kind as to direct me
to pay yet more money to their retirement accounts via M$.

The MVPs here dare not in the employ of MS, nor dp they, or will they get
retirement benefits from MS.

I even have a legal copy
of OfficeXP which goes unused due to the stupid
activation issue.

LOL, you complain about the cost of Windows, yet do not use it because of
your unsubstantiated reasons why you can't.

 

[perfb]

Why do you think that you should receive a service packs for a product you

have no even paid for ?

because I read that M$ had announced it was making SP2 available to all.

http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/09/142203.shtml?tid=201

Evidently, there has been a purge/pogrom in the M$ politburo
and history has now been rewritten and all such statements
are now consigned to memoryhole.org.

or, according to TheRegister, perhaps what the M$ minister of
disinformation really meant
was that the old SP1 keygen approach still works with SP2.

I, for one, will be too busy enjoying Suse Linux with Crossover to care
what new vulnerabilities, exploits, and spyware have been introduced
with XP SP2.

have fun cooking up new marketing slogans, and inventing new
propietary versions of other's innovations in order to ensure
customer/victim lock-in.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Next time find a more reliable source of information
as apparently you believe anything published on a website.
And BTW, the abbreviation for Microsoft is MSFT, and
not M$, as you so adolescently tend to use.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

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|> Why do you think that you should receive a service packs for a product you
| > have no even paid for ?
| >
|
| because I read that M$ had announced it was making SP2 available to all.
|
| http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/09/142203.shtml?tid=201
|
| Evidently, there has been a purge/pogrom in the M$ politburo
| and history has now been rewritten and all such statements
| are now consigned to memoryhole.org.
|
| or, according to TheRegister, perhaps what the M$ minister of
| disinformation really meant
| was that the old SP1 keygen approach still works with SP2.
|
| I, for one, will be too busy enjoying Suse Linux with Crossover to care
| what new vulnerabilities, exploits, and spyware have been introduced
| with XP SP2.
|
| have fun cooking up new marketing slogans, and inventing new
| propietary versions of other's innovations in order to ensure
| customer/victim lock-in.

 

[Tom]

And BTW, the abbreviation for Microsoft is MSFT, and
not M$, as you so adolescently tend to use.

Microsoft does us MS as their initials in many instances. Not only just MS,
MSN (Microsoft Network), MSDN (Microsoft Developer Network), etc. You never
see MSFTN (as opposed to MSN) do you? MSFT is their stock abbreviation in
their various Wall street deviison listing (NASDAQ, NYSE). Do you ever find
anything funny or find any fault with MS at all? Or is that the same as
blasphemy in your (MS) bible?

Its funny as a true MS zealot that you are, you don't know this!

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Actually, you've only quoted other sources who say Microsoft will
allow pirates to install SP2; I haven't seen anything directly from
Microsoft to this affect. (And anyone who trusts the Register as a
source of accurate information, particularly concerning software and
Microsoft, is really in for a shock, someday.)

And, just out of curiosity, is your SuSE Linux fully patched?
When I installed the newest version (9.1) last week, I then had to
download and install 41 security patches. (I'm not anti-Linux, by any
means, but no one should ever believe that _any_ OS is bullet-proof.)


Bruce Chambers
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having both at once. - RAH

 

[perfb]

Greetings --

Actually, you've only quoted other sources who say Microsoft will
allow pirates to install SP2; I haven't seen anything directly from
Microsoft to this affect.

actually reading the links, one reads as follows:

"We haven't explicitly done anything to SP2 to exclude it from pirated
copies," said Microsoft group product manager Barry Goffe."

(And anyone who trusts the Register as a
source of accurate information, particularly concerning software and
Microsoft, is really in for a shock, someday.)

yawn

And, just out of curiosity, is your SuSE Linux fully patched?

probably not.

 

[newton klea]

Windows XP SP2 works perfectly well with legally licensed copies of Windows
XP.

not true! i own a oem version of xp that came with my laptop. after
installing xp sp2 last week my laptop is dead as door nail when it
comes to connectivity to outside world. i can connect to my wireless
admin port and internal webserver just fine but when i attempt to go
outside ie just sitting there doing blank page stare...no time out or
anything. disable proxy that came with sp2 is no help neither. if i
boot up my pc with no wlan card and then pluck it in later the linksys
not even assign me an ip. before i can do wlan card insert before,
during or after the boot up and i was ready to go. my immediate choice
is to back out this crap...even backing out it screwed up all of my
previous setting. my concern right now is to get internet connectivity
so i haven't test all of my other apps yet. sad that i'm spending time
to fix what this piece of crap is doing to my computer. my advice, if
you have no problem with your computer security, skip this upgrade.
you probably need a phd in cs to make this work. a simple proxy and
virus scan apps from third party work better than what ms is giving
us.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

You installed SP2 "beta" and as such it is not the final version.
Beta programs often have bugs or compatibility issues, that's
why one should not install it on anything but a "test machine".
You really should "skip" installing beta software unless you
understand the ramifications of installing beta software.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

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| not true! i own a oem version of xp that came with my laptop. after
| installing xp sp2 last week my laptop is dead as door nail when it
| comes to connectivity to outside world. i can connect to my wireless
| admin port and internal webserver just fine but when i attempt to go
| outside ie just sitting there doing blank page stare...no time out or
| anything. disable proxy that came with sp2 is no help neither. if i
| boot up my pc with no wlan card and then pluck it in later the linksys
| not even assign me an ip. before i can do wlan card insert before,
| during or after the boot up and i was ready to go. my immediate choice
| is to back out this crap...even backing out it screwed up all of my
| previous setting. my concern right now is to get internet connectivity
| so i haven't test all of my other apps yet. sad that i'm spending time
| to fix what this piece of crap is doing to my computer. my advice, if
| you have no problem with your computer security, skip this upgrade.
| you probably need a phd in cs to make this work. a simple proxy and
| virus scan apps from third party work better than what ms is giving
| us.

 

[Donald McDaniel]

not true! i own a oem version of xp that came with my laptop. after
installing xp sp2 last week my laptop is dead as door nail when it
comes to connectivity to outside world. i can connect to my wireless
admin port and internal webserver just fine but when i attempt to go
outside ie just sitting there doing blank page stare...no time out or
anything. disable proxy that came with sp2 is no help neither. if i
boot up my pc with no wlan card and then pluck it in later the linksys
not even assign me an ip. before i can do wlan card insert before,
during or after the boot up and i was ready to go. my immediate choice
is to back out this crap...even backing out it screwed up all of my
previous setting. my concern right now is to get internet connectivity
so i haven't test all of my other apps yet. sad that i'm spending time
to fix what this piece of crap is doing to my computer. my advice, if
you have no problem with your computer security, skip this upgrade.
you probably need a phd in cs to make this work. a simple proxy and
virus scan apps from third party work better than what ms is giving
us.

Why don't these people ever use proper puctuation in their rambles?

Haven't you ever heard of separating your thoughts by using short, concise
paragraphs?
Haven't you ever heard of using commas or semi-colons to separate clauses?
Have you never heard of the convention of using two spaces to separate
sentences?
Didn't you know that the first word in a sentence is always capitalized?
The personal pronoun, "I", should always be capitalized.
Use a semi-colon (";") instead of an ellipsis ("...") to separate complex
sentences.
Use "an" before words which begin with a vowel.
"Pluck" is a verb meaning "pull" or "pick up", not "put"
"Disable proxy" at the beginning of a sentence implies the presence of a
second person to whom you are speaking a command. The proper clause should
be "Disabling the proxy...") Notice the correct use of an ellipsis: to show
that more text follows, but is not quoted.

By the way, Windows XP Service Pack 2, Release Candidate 2 works perfectly
well on my system, and probably on the systems of a hundred thousand other
persons.

The web page which contains links to download XP SP2, RC2 contains
instructions which state that the Release Candidate is beta software, and
should not be installed on your working system.

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[gls858]

Why don't these people ever use proper puctuation in their rambles?

Haven't you ever heard of separating your thoughts by using short, concise
paragraphs?
Haven't you ever heard of using commas or semi-colons to separate clauses?
Have you never heard of the convention of using two spaces to separate
sentences?
Didn't you know that the first word in a sentence is always capitalized?
The personal pronoun, "I", should always be capitalized.
Use a semi-colon (";") instead of an ellipsis ("...") to separate complex
sentences.
Use "an" before words which begin with a vowel.
"Pluck" is a verb meaning "pull" or "pick up", not "put"
"Disable proxy" at the beginning of a sentence implies the presence of a
second person to whom you are speaking a command. The proper clause should
be "Disabling the proxy...") Notice the correct use of an ellipsis: to show
that more text follows, but is not quoted.

By the way, Windows XP Service Pack 2, Release Candidate 2 works perfectly
well on my system, and probably on the systems of a hundred thousand other
persons.

The web page which contains links to download XP SP2, RC2 contains
instructions which state that the Release Candidate is beta software, and
should not be installed on your working system.

Hey, maybe the guy is e.e.cummings

gls858

 

[Donald McDaniel]

Hey, maybe the guy is e.e.cummings

gls858

I never read any of E. E. Cummings' poetry. I can make no judgment about
his use of the English language.

However, from what I've heard of E.E. Cummings, this guy is no E. E.
Cummings.

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[gls858]

I never read any of E. E. Cummings' poetry. I can make no judgment about
his use of the English language.

However, from what I've heard of E.E. Cummings, this guy is no E. E.
Cummings.

One of cummings quirks was didn't use capitals or punctuation.
At least that's what I remember from ages back

gls858

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

In

One of cummings quirks was didn't use capitals or punctuation.
At least that's what I remember from ages back

Not quite. e. e. cummings spelled his name without capitals, but
with periods after the initials. His verse generally used most
punctuation marks (commas, etc.) but had few periods (but some)
and few capitals (but also some)

And his novel "The Enormous Room" used regular typography; there
was nothing particularly strange about the use of capitals or
punctuation there.