Is this possible ??

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DB

My friend has a desktop that he cant get to boot.....im not 100% sure what
his prob is but I do know that he doesnt want to lose all his date files and
nope, backing them up was done....

Can I connect a laptop to his pc via a usb cable, power up the laptop...
will this let me see his pc and will i be able to simply drag his files
accross to laptop.
Eventually i will format his hard drive and re-install windows....

What type of usb cable can i use..... would it be a USB male to USB male ?

I've never tried this sort of thing before but did see an engineer at work
connect a cable between 2 pcs and save all the data,,,

All help appreciated....

DB
 
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Bryce

DB said:
My friend has a desktop that he cant get to boot.....im not 100% sure what
his prob is but I do know that he doesnt want to lose all his date files
and nope, backing them up was done....

Can I connect a laptop to his pc via a usb cable, power up the laptop...
will this let me see his pc and will i be able to simply drag his files
accross to laptop.
Eventually i will format his hard drive and re-install windows....

What type of usb cable can i use..... would it be a USB male to USB male ?

I've never tried this sort of thing before but did see an engineer at work
connect a cable between 2 pcs and save all the data,,,

All help appreciated....

DB
You can't access the hard drive until the machine's operating system has
booted, so the proposed rescue will not work. There are other ways.

Do you have a usb-to ide converter? If not, this is a good excuse to buy
one! Disconnect the hard drive (no need to remove it from the case) and
plug the converter into the drive and another computer having usb2. Now
you can transfer whatever you wish. No need to power up the desktop.

Or download a live-CD linux distribution, burn the iso onto a CD and boot
the machine from it. Again, you can read and copy files from the HD,
presuming the desktop isn't truly dead. No converter to buy, but you'll
need to learn a little about linux.
 
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Paul

DB said:
My friend has a desktop that he cant get to boot.....im not 100% sure
what his prob is but I do know that he doesnt want to lose all his date
files and nope, backing them up was done....

Can I connect a laptop to his pc via a usb cable, power up the laptop...
will this let me see his pc and will i be able to simply drag his files
accross to laptop.
Eventually i will format his hard drive and re-install windows....

What type of usb cable can i use..... would it be a USB male to USB male ?

I've never tried this sort of thing before but did see an engineer at
work connect a cable between 2 pcs and save all the data,,,

All help appreciated....

DB

They do make a computer to computer USB cable, but there is a special
chip in the middle of the cable, that prevents the two USB subsystems
from making direct contact. For this cable to work, both computers
need a running operating system. This cable is the equivalent of
"laplink", only for USB. The provided software is the most important
part of the product, because the OS doesn't know what to do with this
cable by default.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200198

An operating system doesn't have to recognize the data, to copy
the entire disk. For example, I made an exact copy of my boot drive,
all four partitions (two FAT32, two EXT2), by booting Linux from
a CD (Knoppix) on the computer, then using the dd command -

sudo dd if=/dev/<disk1_identifier> of=/dev/<disk2_identifier>

where the disk identifier string depends on what interface the
drive(s) are connected to. My destination drive happened to be
exactly the same size as the source. The dest should be the same
size or bigger than the source, so that all possible data is
captured. The command stops copying, when it gets to the end
of the first disk.

By copying that way, that is a sector by sector copy of the data.
The copying program (dd), doesn't need to know about the file
systems, and just copies every sector. That would be one way
to get the data from the drive without attempting to repair the
disk, and would give a "backup". The only thing wrong with that
method, is what happens if sector(s) happen to be unreadable.
I don't know whether the command exits with an incomplete copy,
or simply ignores the bits it cannot read. (I scanned my source
disk for bad sectors, before using that recipe, so I had a high
expectation that the source drive was readable.)

"dd" stands for "disk dump" and is not a forensic tool intended
to get every scrap of data. But it does give an example of the
usage of a foreign operating system, one that boots from a CD, to
try and get at some data. If the source disk is physically
damaged, then it cannot perform miracles.

In terms of approaches to probing the disk, this is another
idea. Testdisk is a program for correcting the partition table,
based on recognizing the partitions present on the disk. This
page claims it will run from DOS, if you had a mechanism for
booting DOS on the machine. The difference here, is this
tool is more dangerous - it attempts to repair "in place",
without making a copy of the data. If the repair goes wrong,
the results could make further data recovery (by a data
recovery firm) that much more difficult. By comparison,
copying all the sectors to a separate disk, is safer, in
that short of more mechanical damage happening to the
drive by running it a bit longer, at least no attempt
is being made to write to the dodgy disk.

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step

In terms of computers that support direct cabling as
you describe - I believe an Apple laptop with Firewire
port, can run the internal drive in target disk mode,
and you could connect a Firewire equipped computer and
access the disk from another computer. But that is the
only example I know of, where you can get at the drive
on another computer, without booting it somehow.

Physically removing the drive, and using an IDE or SATA
adapter, would be another way to manipulate it. There
are adapters and enclosures for handling 2.5" drives.

Paul
 
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DB

What about this as an option......

I've an old 40gb hard drive sitting doing nothing.......what if i put that
in his pc..... format it and install windows onit........ then his original
hard drive can become ..say drive [D]- slave instead of master.....
Now if im right..... windows will boot on my old drive,,,, and his old drive
will appear when i look at my computer....

What do you think ?

Thanks again

DB
 
D

DB

Hi Kony...

I just been given a Netgear ProSafe 5 Port Fast Ethernet Switch..... dont
laugh, but i havent any experience of this, but is does look like it could
network a few computers together and may also be of use.... if it isnt,,,,
ebay here i come....

DB


kony said:
What about this as an option......

I've an old 40gb hard drive sitting doing nothing.......what if i put that
in his pc..... format it and install windows onit........ then his
original
hard drive can become ..say drive [D]- slave instead of master.....
Now if im right..... windows will boot on my old drive,,,, and his old
drive
will appear when i look at my computer....

What do you think ?

Yes that is another alternative, it will just take a lot
longer than burning a Ubuntu LiveCD beforehand, booting the
system with that, and copying data over ethernet. However,
your idea has one clear advantage in that the system is then
operational again, assuming you leave the hard drive in it
for the time being, and assuming the problem with it running
was the current hard drive (which unfortunately means the
data may be lost) or windows installation, instead of a
hardware failure which would still exist with a different
drive in the system with a new OS installation on it.

I'd probably try to cover all bases, taking a Ubuntu LiveCD,
an ethernet cable, a Realtek 8139 PCI NIC, the old 40GB hard
drive, laptop, maybe even some blank CDRs or DVD+- if the
system has a CD or DVD burner in it... and of course a USB2
PATA/SATA adapter or enclosure if you have one so that the
drive could be hooked up directly to the laptop.

There are several ways to proceed, it's just a matter of
what you want to do, what you're most proficient at, and the
ultimate goal and timetable for getting the system working
again if that's possible without having to make a second
trip to replace more hardware if anything else has failed.
 
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DB

just rememberred......ive a crossover lead in my box of bits......been a
long time i saw it but i know i still have it.......

just off to track it down...........

Thanks again....

DB
 
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CBFalconer

DB said:
just rememberred. ive a crossover lead in my box of bits.
been a long time i saw it but i know i still have it.

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