Is there a WinCE 5.0 emulator for VS.NET 2005 ?

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Ital1

Hello all

I've just installed a VS.NET 2005 (final release) on a XP system and I
can't test my developments on an emulator (there is only a choice for a
real WinCE 5.0 device, and other PPC2003 devices or emulators, but no
WinCE 5.0 emulator).

Is there a way to get a WinCE 5.0 emulator that could be targeted from
VS.NET 2005 ?

Thank you.
 
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Ital1

Thank you for your answer... I thought someone from MS would have
answered (about such a fresh technology) :)

Arrrggghhhh... I should have choosen PalmOS !!!

And the MS WinCE 5 device emulator that we can download from their
website... DOES NOT WORK !! The installer package seem to be corrupted
(I've been trying to download it since ONE MONTH!)...

How much money have we wasted ? How much money are we gonna waste ? :)
That's a joke, Bill :) ?? Don't take it for yourself :)


minimega a écrit :
 
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Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]

Let me get this straight... You're going to say, "I should forget about
Windows CE 5.0" because there's no *emulator* for it?!?! Use the real
device or, failing that, have the device vendor generate an emulator for the
specific Windows CE 5.0 device you are targeting...

Paul T.

Thank you for your answer... I thought someone from MS would have
answered (about such a fresh technology) :)

Arrrggghhhh... I should have choosen PalmOS !!!

And the MS WinCE 5 device emulator that we can download from their
website... DOES NOT WORK !! The installer package seem to be corrupted
(I've been trying to download it since ONE MONTH!)...

How much money have we wasted ? How much money are we gonna waste ? :)
That's a joke, Bill :) ?? Don't take it for yourself :)


minimega a écrit :
 
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Ital1

An emulator can make us save money because it fastens our
developments...

We have developed on emulators for so long time because it reduce our
developments cycles.

We cannot imagine to develop + test on real device each time... because
:
- the time for downloading on real device is longer than the time
needed on emulator
- while debugging, the debug infos come faster to the IDE when we work
on emulator, than the ones from the real device

It would have been so easy for MS to generate a basic Windows CE 5.0
device from Platform builder, with every components within the image...
Why didn't they do that ? It would have been so easy, isn't it ?

So... So... We have to download the evaluation version of Windows CE
5.0
+ Generate an image + test the image and restart the same again until
we have one which is good for an emulator X86
Then we'll be able to test our developments in the emulator...


How would you do if you'd have a team of developers working on the same
real wince 5 device ? Most of them would have to work on emulators...



Thank you anyway for you great advice to use a real device... I'll then
buy one for each of our developpers ??? That's silly !





Paul G. Tobey [eMVP] a écrit :
 
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Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]

Yes, that's true, having an emulator is a very nice thing. You *cannot*
safely limit your testing to the emulator, however. It's too much to expect
that it will perfectly emulate the final device; you *must* test on a real
device and, in the case of WM5, since there are *so* many new things that
the device can do, run in landscape or portrait mode (and switch between
them while your application is running, in fact), have both 320x240 and
640x480 displays, which might or might not exist on the target device, etc.,
you may need several WM5 devices for a proper test.

With the performance items that you mention, you're experiencing something
that I do not see, myself. In fact, most items are *faster* on a real
device for me.

It's not easy and doesn't make any sense to generate an image with
'everything' in it. Have *you* tried that?!

No, you can download the evaluation version and generate an emulator image,
if you want to do that, but you certainly don't *have* to. If you are not
targeting WM5 devices, you should be using an emulator that closely matches
your *real* target device, anyway, not a random one with everything in it.
That would be *completely useless* for testing, as it wouldn't even come
close to matching the real device.

It's ***NOT*** silly. Do you test your desktop application on some sort of
emulator? Of course not! In fact, if you are smart, you test on XP,
Win2000 Pro, Server 2003, etc., to make sure that you are shipping a quality
product that actually *does* work on the systems you say it works with. You
should test and develop on devices that your customer uses, right? Is he
going to run your software in the emulator? I bet he isn't! The emulator
is a convenience, *NEVER* a replacement for real devices.

Paul T.

An emulator can make us save money because it fastens our
developments...

We have developed on emulators for so long time because it reduce our
developments cycles.

We cannot imagine to develop + test on real device each time... because
:
- the time for downloading on real device is longer than the time
needed on emulator
- while debugging, the debug infos come faster to the IDE when we work
on emulator, than the ones from the real device

It would have been so easy for MS to generate a basic Windows CE 5.0
device from Platform builder, with every components within the image...
Why didn't they do that ? It would have been so easy, isn't it ?

So... So... We have to download the evaluation version of Windows CE
5.0
+ Generate an image + test the image and restart the same again until
we have one which is good for an emulator X86
Then we'll be able to test our developments in the emulator...


How would you do if you'd have a team of developers working on the same
real wince 5 device ? Most of them would have to work on emulators...



Thank you anyway for you great advice to use a real device... I'll then
buy one for each of our developpers ??? That's silly !





Paul G. Tobey [eMVP] a écrit :
 
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minimega

Hi Ital1,
do you really think that development with emulator is faster than
development with real device?
I think not! I'm developing with a WinCE 4.2 x86 PC, via TCP/IP. Every
time I press F5 (run) I wait max 2 seconds to deploy the files on
remote PC.
Is the emulator so fast? More that, are you able to work with serial?
Are you able to work with USB devices? Are you able to work with
Bluetooth under emulator? No, sure! The emulator does not give full
access to hardware resources, so if you are developing an application
that don't use any hardware resource, can be a good choice using the
emulator, but if you need hardware resources, the real device is the
only way you can get!

The emulator is a good choice if you don't have a real device where
test the application, but if you have one, I find really faster
development under it!
Try it!

Massimo
 
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Ital1

How is it possible to show a demonstration of a windows ce.net
application, for hundred people, without using a real device ?

thanks

minimega a écrit :
 
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Guest

Use an emulator and a screen projector like is often done at trade shows and
conferences.

-Chris


How is it possible to show a demonstration of a windows ce.net
application, for hundred people, without using a real device ?

thanks

minimega a écrit :
 
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Ital1

Easier :

Use Platform builder to build a windows ce 5.0 emulator.

I've just succeeded in this step.

Thanks anyway for your support :) We won't have to buy a projector ;-)
 

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