Is the Professional Look Really Better?

[Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)]

Your error page would have no idea that your JavaScript failed in the
visitor's browser. You would not get an email.

I'm surprised you didn't know that.

I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Better to be thought ignorant than to
open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

The page that Grey referenced only shows up when a server-side error occurs
in server-side code.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
http://www.jimcoaddins.com

Now offering templates ranging from
affordable standard templates to
powerful e-commerce applications!

 

[GreyWyvern]

I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Better to be thought ignorant than
to
open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

The page that Grey referenced only shows up when a server-side error
occurs
in server-side code.

That would be very insightful, were it not for the fact that I still
consistently see this page.

I invite you to follow these steps to see the phenomenon for yourself;
perhaps your notification system is broken.

1) Download the latest stable version of Opera:
<http://www.opera.com/download/>

Or download the newest beta 2 edition if you're feeling adventurous:
<http://www.opera.com/download/?ver=8.0b2>

2) Install and then open the browser.

3) Press Alt+P

4) Go to "Multimedia" and make sure Javascript is enabled. Click the
"Javascript options..." button.

5) Check "Open Javascript console on error", hit OK and close the
Preferences

6) Go to your fpstandard.htm URI
<http://www.jimcoaddins.com/templates/fpstandard.htm>

Oh, and you'll see that javascript error pop up a message here. Tsk
tsk. Real professional.

7) Click the "Home" link in the left-hand menu and watch the ensuing
hilarity.

8) In fact, try clicking *any* link in the left-hand menu. "Page not
found" and "Sorry for the Inconvenience!" errors abound.

9) Get back to me if you get any notifications of these errors. I've
purposely visited that error page about 20 times today.


Oh, and BTW, aside from the fact that you horribly mis-quoted it, that
quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln, not Mark Twain.

Grey

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Better to be thought ignorant
than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

Was that meant for me? You really are a cheeky person.

The page that Grey referenced only shows up when a server-side
error occurs in server-side code.

Not was I was referencing, obviously.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

8) In fact, try clicking *any* link in the left-hand menu. "Page
not found" and "Sorry for the Inconvenience!" errors abound.

Clicked the "Cool Tools" link:

<quote>
We can't find the page you requested!

We're sorry. The page you requested does not exist. It may have been
removed from the site.

We hope you'll check out some of our other great content while you're
here!

Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
</quote>

Oh, and BTW, aside from the fact that you horribly mis-quoted it,
that quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln, not Mark Twain.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that ...

 

[Matt Probert]

Once upon a time, far far away "Tina - AffordableHOST, Inc,"

I'd like to know if anyone has any real evidence that having a picture of
the site owner actually makes a difference? I've heard this before, but
most people that claim it makes a difference added their picture at the same
time they drastically updated/polished/redesigned their websites. Any real
statistics on this?

36DD-30-34

<bg>

Matt

 

[Matt Probert]

Once upon a time, far far away "Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)"

Tell you what. You guys send me a check each month for my hosting fees and
another one for my mailing list provider fees and another for the software
that I purchase to maintain the site and the software I write and another
one for the time that I spend developing software and writing code for my
Web site and then you can dictate to me how I should design my site and for
whom I should design it. In the meantime, I'll stick to my current plan
since it's working quite nicely.

Er, Jim you are confusing me for someone else.

I *never* dictate. I simply suggested you base your decisions upon
realities, not false conceptions (well actually I said incorrect
supposition).

Matt

 

[Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)]

Oh, and BTW, aside from the fact that you horribly mis-quoted it, that
quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln, not Mark Twain.

See what I mean. The quote is actually derived from Proverbs chapter 17,
but it has been repeated by many. It appears in Mark Twain's writings (as I
said.)

As to all of your other ramblings, I thought I had covered Opera with you
guys. I can only surmise by your reference to my quotation that you don't
read much, so I'm not surprised.

I've grown tired of this "I'm so much better than you" commentary with you,
so I'm off to do something productive.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
http://www.jimcoaddins.com

Now offering templates ranging from
affordable standard templates to
powerful e-commerce applications!

 

[Tina - AffordableHOST, Inc,]

Once upon a time, far far away "Tina - AffordableHOST, Inc,"


36DD-30-34

<bg>

Matt

Depends on your target market, I guess. ;-)

--Tina

 

[Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)]

I *never* dictate. I simply suggested you base your decisions upon
realities, not false conceptions (well actually I said incorrect
supposition).

I don't remember the original part of the thread, but I think it was about
my comment concerning using user agent strings to determine the number of
site visitors coming from Opera browsers. If I install Opera and hit my
site, I do see a hit from Opera. Imagine that. The only way to NOT see it
as Opera is to spook the user agent string. Once you do that, any
statistics at all are out the window.

The entire issue here deals with inline frames and pages that are inside of
those iframes and coming from a third-party domain. The script launched
from those iframes does not work correctly in Opera. I know that, and quite
frankly, I don't care. I covered that earlier in detail.

The thing that I find so interesting is that my site is such a source of
interest to all of these folks who have absolutely no interest in FrontPage.
You see, their purpose is to pump themselves up by trying to tear other
people down. That works with immature and insecure people such as
themselves. It doesn't work with me. Even so, it has certainly been an
interesting study in the immature nature of the alt.* groups. It's been
years since I've wandered into that realm, and I see that things haven't
changed.

All of the above comments are not directed at you, Matt. I'm merely making
an observation, and a sad one at that. People have become more and more
rude and more and more self-absorbed, and we're all worse off for it.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
http://www.jimcoaddins.com

Now offering templates ranging from
affordable standard templates to
powerful e-commerce applications!

 

[GreyWyvern]

All of the above comments are not directed at you, Matt. I'm merely
making
an observation, and a sad one at that. People have become more and more
rude and more and more self-absorbed, and we're all worse off for it.

Excuse me? Who's the one telling anyone using a browser not covered by
your army of sniffers that you don't care if they can't see your content?

Words in a newsgroup aren't the only way to be rude and self-absorbed.

It's been a while since I've chatted full-on with the WYSIWYG crowd and I
see *they* haven't changed either. Still as self-righteous as ever.

Grey

 

[SmakDaddy]

The thing that I find so interesting is that my site is such a source of
interest to all of these folks who have absolutely no interest in FrontPage.
You see, their purpose is to pump themselves up by trying to tear other
people down. That works with immature and insecure people such as
themselves. It doesn't work with me. Even so, it has certainly been an
interesting study in the immature nature of the alt.* groups. It's been
years since I've wandered into that realm, and I see that things haven't
changed.

Pump themselves up by tearing others down?
We're they tearing you down, or the site?
If it's the site, then you're personalizing it
/usr/bash

My boss Allis is a, on again, off again, reg in here.
Here, they all tell her her site(s) are purly turrible.
There's a regular in aww called Duende that calls her site(s) absolutely
evil!

She put his picture on the wall here.

In other words <include=chill pill>

 

[SmakDaddy]

I've grown tired of this "I'm so much better than you" commentary with you,
so I'm off to do something productive.

Ok. But please make sure you clean the goo up when finished.

 

[Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage]

I found that too. It made me feel a lot better. When I thought it was
"real" it made me very depressed. kind of like gawking at some carnival
freak show, then feeling bad that you did.

--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

ContentSeed: great tool for web masters,
a fantastic convenience for site owners.
http://contentseed.com/
--

 

[William Tasso]

...
Personally, I think that the demeanor of these folks from the alt.* crowd
who have appeared here

In the context of Usenet, where is 'here' exactly?

is clear evidence why more people don't use
newsgroups. They believe they have to tread on thin ice lest they do
something to break one of the "rules" and unleash an attack on them.

"When in Rome ..." as they say.

Common courtesy costs nothing more than a little time spent on research.

 

[William Tasso]

...
I've grown tired of this "I'm so much better than you" commentary with
you,

With whom? This is Usenet, not your private bulletin board

so I'm off to do something productive.

have fun.

 

[William Tasso]

...
You guys send me a check each month for my hosting fees and another one
for my mailing list provider fees and another for the software that I
purchase to maintain the site and the software I write and another
one for the time that I spend developing software and writing code for my
Web site and then you can dictate to me how I should design my site and
for whom I should design it.

Thanks, but no thanks, I'll get a professional in, if it's all the same to
you.

 

[William Tasso]

Once upon a time, far far away "Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)"


Er, Jim you are confusing me for someone else.

Our new friend has a healthy paranoia for the new neighbouhood he's
playing in and he's beginning to see conspiracies in every shadow.

 

[William Tasso]

...
Don't assume that everyone with a Web site is a Web designer by trade.

Ugh - that sounds like a weak argument for not delivering a usable,
accessible web site.

 

[Bob Lehmann]

[top-post is intentional to inflame the alt-tards]
[jumping on minor whoopsies is also intentional]

Not was I was referencing, obviously.

Wush that ossifer? I's sorry but I's an alt-tard, and casn't use it the good
grammar.
[jumping on minor whoopsies is also intentional so the aalt-tard feels at
home]

Bob Lehmann

 

[Tom Pepper Willett]

You're late, Bob. Been expecting you much sooner ;-)

Tom
| [cool! another alt-tard with no language skills]
|
| >We're they tearing you down, or the site?
| In other words, what you're (or should I say "your" so you don't get
| confused by a contraction) trying to say is...
| "We are they tearing you down, or the site?"
|
| WTF does that mean?
|
| Bob Lehmann
|
| | >
| > | > >
| > > The thing that I find so interesting is that my site is such a source
of
| > > interest to all of these folks who have absolutely no interest in
| > FrontPage.
| > > You see, their purpose is to pump themselves up by trying to tear
other
| > > people down. That works with immature and insecure people such as
| > > themselves. It doesn't work with me. Even so, it has certainly been
an
| > > interesting study in the immature nature of the alt.* groups. It's
been
| > > years since I've wandered into that realm, and I see that things
haven't
| > > changed.
| >
| > Pump themselves up by tearing others down?
| > We're they tearing you down, or the site?
| > If it's the site, then you're personalizing it
| > /usr/bash
| >
| > My boss Allis is a, on again, off again, reg in here.
| > Here, they all tell her her site(s) are purly turrible.
| > There's a regular in aww called Duende that calls her site(s) absolutely
| > evil!
| >
| > She put his picture on the wall here.
| >
| > In other words <include=chill pill>
| >
| >
| >
|
|