Is the LLTD responder required on XP SP3

[Bill]

Must I install the LLTD responder on XP SP3 machines to allow a Vista
machine to see the XP machines on the network?

 

[Steve Winograd]

Must I install the LLTD responder on XP SP3 machines to allow a Vista
machine to see the XP machines on the network?

The LLTD Responder isn't required on any version of XP. Vista and XP
can see each other and share files without it.

The only purpose of the LLTD Responder is to allow an XP computer to
appear in Vista's "Network Map".
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[Gordon]

The LLTD Responder isn't required on any version of XP. Vista and XP
can see each other and share files without it.

The only purpose of the LLTD Responder is to allow an XP computer to
appear in Vista's "Network Map".

AFAIK LLTD is included in SP3 anyway - trying to find a "kosher"
reference....

 

[Jack \(MVP-Networking\).]

Hi
The LLTD responder can make Networking life a little easier but it should
work without it too.
Jack (MVP-Networking).

 

[Bill]

It would be nice to have at least a second source though.

Well, I am not an authoritative source but I can say that LLTD did not
appear in the list for any network connection on any of my three XP SP3
machines. After following the manual install instruction LLTD did
appear on the network connections on all three XP SP3 machines.

 

[Bill]

The real question is whether a Vista PC can see XP SP3
PCs in its network map without the manual LLTD installation.

In my case the answer is no. The Vista PC did not show any of the XP
PCs in its full map view until I performed the manual LLTD install on
the XP PCs. After installing LLTD on one XP PC I opened the full map in
Vista and that one XP PC was displayed. The other two were not. I then
installed LLTD on the other two, opend the full map view and all three
XP PCs were displayed.

 

[Gordon]

Bill,

well, that sounds pretty convincing.

So we conclude fairly firmly that Service Pack 3 does not
contain the LLTD function.

Thanks for the good information!

Hans-Georg

Interestingly I bought a new laptop three months ago. I connected it to my
network, and immediately the XP machine (Pro SP2) was visible, and with
shared files and folders, by the Vista machine. I did nothing to make it
happen. it just did.

 

[Dominic Payer]

See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480 . Hotfix 922120 is listed as
included in SP3.

 

[Steve Winograd]

Interestingly I bought a new laptop three months ago. I connected it to my
network, and immediately the XP machine (Pro SP2) was visible, and with
shared files and folders, by the Vista machine. I did nothing to make it
happen. it just did.

That's normal. It isn't necessary to install the LLTD Responder on
Windows XP. XP and Vista can see each other and share files and
folders without it.

The only reason to install the LLTD Responder is to have XP appear in
the network topology section of Vista's Network Map. Without it, XP
will appear in the "can not be placed in the map" section of Vista's
Network Map.
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[Gordon]

That's normal. It isn't necessary to install the LLTD Responder on
Windows XP. XP and Vista can see each other and share files and
folders without it.

The only reason to install the LLTD Responder is to have XP appear in
the network topology section of Vista's Network Map.

What do you mean by "Network Map"?

 

[Steve Winograd]

What do you mean by "Network Map"?

Click the Start button, click Control Panel > Classic View > Network
and Sharing Center, and click "View full map".
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[Gordon]

Click the Start button, click Control Panel > Classic View > Network
and Sharing Center, and click "View full map".

Thanks for that. I am now confused. What is the point of that? If I can see
and share files on my XP machine from my Vista machine via Start-Network
WITHOUT having installed LLTD on the XP machine, what is the point of the
"full map" for a LAN? Does it actually matter that the XP machine doesn't
show in the full map when it shows quite normally in Start-Network?

 

[Steve Winograd]

Thanks for that. I am now confused. What is the point of that? If I can see
and share files on my XP machine from my Vista machine via Start-Network
WITHOUT having installed LLTD on the XP machine, what is the point of the
"full map" for a LAN? Does it actually matter that the XP machine doesn't
show in the full map when it shows quite normally in Start-Network?

The network map shows the topology of the network: computers,
switches, routers, Internet gateways, and the connections between
them. It might be helpful when troubleshooting the network or
adding/removing devices. It isn't needed for file sharing. It
doesn't matter whether a machine appears in the network map.
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Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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[Susan M. Kline]

I have spent several hours attempting to get my new Gateway/Vista PC
networked (through my router) to my Sony/XP system--which has two printers
and many old files that I will need. Linksys sent me to Microsoft; Microsoft
sent me to Gateway (as they had installed the Vista), Gateway sent me to
their online help--which gave me the link to needing the LLTD responder. I
typed LLTD responder in and received this site--as well as others.

Can you help me? ~Susan

 

[Chuck [MVP]]

I have spent several hours attempting to get my new Gateway/Vista PC
networked (through my router) to my Sony/XP system--which has two printers
and many old files that I will need. Linksys sent me to Microsoft; Microsoft
sent me to Gateway (as they had installed the Vista), Gateway sent me to
their online help--which gave me the link to needing the LLTD responder. I
typed LLTD responder in and received this site--as well as others.

Can you help me? ~Susan

Susan,

We will try. But as you may note from perusing the rest of this thread, the
LLTD responder, and the Network Map, are not such an essential or powerful
solution to every network problem.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2008/04/windows-vista-and-network-map.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2008/04/windows-vista-and-network-map.html

I would try to diagnose your problem, using logs from "browstat status",
"ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this article, and linked
articles, and follow instructions precisely (Download browstat, and run all
commands in Vista as an admin.):
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp

 

[Sirius B]

I also have this problem. LLTD ok on Vista & have downloaded the XP version
from MS. However, when attenpting to install, XP SP3 states that it is an
earlier version than that already installed. Yet, 3 XP machines & 1 WHS
Server not showing on map.

Have read the preceding posts, how does one install it manually?

 

[Sirius B]

Have found solution (for myself anyway, it may not be to anyone else's
liking). Uninstalled SP3, installed LLTD then reinstalled SP3. All working
ok. Even have WHS Server showing correctly.