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[Michelle Steiner]

And to qualify the above you can't listen to music purchased from the
iTunes store in it's native format on just any digital music device.
It's funny how Mac users always complain about proprietary formats
from Microsoft but when Apple does the same it's nothing but excuses
and support from these very same people.

You're confusing "proprietary format" with "copy protection." Fact is
that the music publishers wouldn't let Apple publish their music if it
had not been copy protected.

 

[Michelle Steiner]

You need to wait a couple of weeks - Jobs is expected to announce
iWife '06 at the Expo.

No way. The support costs would bankrupt Microsoft, let alone Apple.[/QUOTE]

Sold "as is"; no support provided. You have to provide all the support
yourself.

 

[G.T.]

You're confusing "proprietary format" with "copy protection." Fact is
that the music publishers wouldn't let Apple publish their music if it
had not been copy protected.

No, I'm not. If their "copy protection" wasn't a "proprietary format"
other digital media devices would be able to play them.

Greg

 

[Jon B]

I thought that till someone pinched £200 worth of CD changer and £100
worth of CDs out the boot.

The changer is part of the dashboard radio-unit of the car, and ceases
to function if power is removed from it until a code is entered to
reactivate it. I keep the CDs hidden so no one can see them from
outside the car. They would have to have another reason to break into
the car and then find the CDs.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't stop them if they think there is something worth a fivers worth
of drugs in there, any most code radios people have a way round one way
or another.

 

[Woody]

I thought that till someone pinched £200 worth of CD changer and £100
worth of CDs out the boot. Course this was 3-4 yrs ago so at the time I
still hadn't got into the habit of loading all my music onto the
computer and burning copy discs, or mp3 discs. I have now and the only
time an original CD is in the car is in its box on the way back from the
shop.

I stopped using the original CDs when I noticed how much it knackered
CDs being in an autochanger. After that I just used copies. Then I
knackered the car, and when I got its replacement I couldn't be bothered
putting the autochanger in, so I got an mp3 CD player, which is a lot
better than the autochanger ever was (and pretty cheap).

 

[Michelle Steiner]

Doesn't stop them if they think there is something worth a fivers
worth of drugs in there, any most code radios people have a way round
one way or another.

Yeah, but they'll go for cars without alarms where they can see stuff
worth stealing rather than an alarmed car that they have to pry a radio
unit out of the dash.

 

[Michelle Steiner]

You're confusing "proprietary format" with "copy protection." Fact
is that the music publishers wouldn't let Apple publish their music
if it had not been copy protected.

No, I'm not. If their "copy protection" wasn't a "proprietary
format" other digital media devices would be able to play them.[/QUOTE]

Considering that Apple licensed the copy protection, and does not own
it, there's nothing from preventing other MP3 player makers from
licensing it too, is there?

 

[Jon B]

Yeah, but they'll go for cars without alarms where they can see stuff
worth stealing rather than an alarmed car that they have to pry a radio
unit out of the dash.

Mines got an alarm, but smash n grabs, case the car, know the job (I
suspect a garage worker, it doesn't go there no more) by the time the
alarms triggered, come to senses run down stairs, your window, stereo,
theives etc are all gone.

 

[TaliesinSoft]

Yeah, but they'll go for cars without alarms where they can see stuff
worth stealing rather than an alarmed car that they have to pry a radio
unit out of the dash.

Speaking of cars alarms.......


Blap....Blap....Blap....Blap....Blap............

I hate to think of the times I've heard an alarm blasting away and nobody
paying the slightest bit of attention. That's happened in shopping center
parking lots, cars parked on the street, and even cars in the parking spots
in the condo where I live.

My favorite alarm incident was when I was staying in a Red Roof Inn in
Secaucus, New Jersey. I had a first floor room and a pickup truck with a
voice alarm was parked outside my door. Whenever anyone walked within about
ten feet of the pickup a loud voice would start blathering, "YOU ARE IN MY
SPACE! MOVE AWAY! YOU ARE IN MY SAPCE!" On an on it would go. All of a
sudden I heard a big bang and when I looked out I saw that someone had heaved
a huge trash can from one of the balconies.

Blap....Blap....Blap....Blap....Blap...........

 

[Peter Ceresole]

Yes, I would really prefer to lug a CD player and boxes containing a
thousand CD's rather than carry my 60GB iPod around, the thing is just
too light and small to possibly be practical.

This exchange is about music *in a car*.

You may need to lug your thousands of of CDs with you everywhere. I damn
well don't.

 

[G.T.]

No, I'm not. If their "copy protection" wasn't a "proprietary
format" other digital media devices would be able to play them.

Considering that Apple licensed the copy protection, and does not own
it, there's nothing from preventing other MP3 player makers from
licensing it too, is there?
[/QUOTE]

Bzzt, wrong: "Apple has yet to allow their proprietary FairPlay
encrytion scheme to be licensed to other hardware manufacturers".

Greg

 

[Andrew]

This exchange is about music *in a car*.

Which is no different to me to walking down the street or sitting on
my sofa.

You may need to lug your thousands of of CDs with you everywhere. I damn
well don't.

Maybe you missed the thinly veiled sarcasm in my post.

 

[Luke Bosman]

Which is no different to me to walking down the street or sitting on
my sofa.

Does your sofa have a steering wheel? Cool!

And you can walk at 70 mph. Even cooler.

Luke

 

[Luke Bosman]

eMusic! eMusic! eMusic! Cool music, no DRM. 25 cents or less a
track. Play anywhere, anytime.

No offence: but change the chaffing record.

Can you play the tracks in a vacuum? No. So you're wrong.

Now hop it.

And there's only three albums worth downloading on the entire site.

Luke

 

[G.T.]

No offence: but change the chaffing record.

Can you play the tracks in a vacuum? No. So you're wrong.

Now hop it.

And there's only three albums worth downloading on the entire site.

Sorry that you're such a boring mainstream FOB.

Greg

 

[Isaacq]

OK, so you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

Nicely stated counterpoint. Well argued. Convinced, err, I'm guessing
nobody. But you are likely used to that, aren't you michelle? The
epitome of "clever" to you is a little x-facey thingy with a slash
through the W, isn't it, girlfriend?

Move along;
those of us who do know what we're talking about have things to talk
about.

"us"? "we"? Hmm.

Yes, I see how it took you (singular) no time at all in the thread where
you (singular) were repeatedly trying to demonstrate how much you
(singular) know what you (singular) are talking about to demonstrate
exactly how ****ing little you (singular) know about what you (singular)
are trying to talk about. Perhaps the rest of you (plural) will be along
soon to help you (singular) out.

YOU: "You can listen to music purchased from the iTunes store on
any device."

.....WRONG. You simply can not.

YOU: "Oh, point taken. My bad."....OOPS.

Wrong again, so wrong you actually conceded that point.

YOU: "You're confusing "proprietary format" with "copy protection."

....WRONG again. He was confusing nothing but you.

YOU: "Considering that Apple licensed the copy protection, and does
not own it, there's nothing from preventing"

WRONG yet again....Apple licenses the compression format but uses their
own copy protection scheme and has chosen to not license their
proprietary FairPlay encryption scheme to anyone at this time aside from
Motorola to use on a couple of cell phones.

YOU: "other MP3 player makers from licensing it too..."

WRONG again, michelle, seems like a habit of yours. MP3 simply does not
support any form of copy protection at this time.

YOU: "iTunes music store uses lossless encoding, so the files are
of better quality."

WRONG again. Remember that compression format that apple was licensing a
couple items up above? iTMS uses 128kbps AAC which even they claim is
only comparable to 160 kbps MP3. When are you going to start with this
"knowing what you are talking about part?"

YOU: "I'm wrong, I thought it was lossless. It is less lossy than
MP3 though."

Yes, indeed you were indeed wrong. "Less lossy than mp3?" You just made
that up didn't you, michelle, you kidder, you.

YOU: "BTW, I was thinking of Apple Lossless encoding."

WRONG. You weren't thinking at all. You were *talking* about music for
sale at iTunes Music Store. This is known in some more cynical circles
as a "backpedal".

YOU: "The Help menu in iPod."

Interesting concept. And where exactly is this item located on the
average user's iPod?

Do you ever stop to consider that sometimes, when a person doesn't
exactly agree with everything you say or believe, that doesn't
necessarily mean they don't know what the **** they are talking about?

No, you likely haven't, have you michelle?

*Love* the cute little x-facey thingy though ;o)

 

[Woody]

Sorry that you're such a boring mainstream FOB.

Strange - you liked his taste in the other message.

 

[Michelle Steiner]

Bzzt, wrong: "Apple has yet to allow their proprietary FairPlay
encrytion scheme to be licensed to other hardware manufacturers".

Where did you get that quote from?

 

[Michelle Steiner]

OK, so you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

Nicely stated counterpoint.[/QUOTE]

I don't have time to argue with the ignorant like that; it's like
arguing with a flat-earther or an "intelligent design" fanatic.

"us"? "we"? Hmm.

yeah, there are more than one of us.

Yes, I see how it took you (singular) no time at all in the thread
where you (singular) were repeatedly trying to demonstrate how much
you (singular) know what you (singular) are talking about to
demonstrate exactly how ****ing little you (singular) know about what
you (singular) are trying to talk about. Perhaps the rest of you
(plural) will be along soon to help you (singular) out.

Considering that his message was in reply to <[email protected]>,
there are at least two of us, so my use of the plural is perfectly
correct.

YOU: "You can listen to music purchased from the iTunes store on
any device."

....WRONG. You simply can not.

Wrong; you can. Just burn it to a CD and reimport it.

YOU: "Oh, point taken. My bad."....OOPS.

In response to the humorous remark that you can't listen to it on a
kitchen appliance. Or are you so anal retentive that don't understand
that "any device" in context means "any audio device"? And are you so
anal retentive that you're now going to say that they can't be played on
a turntable?

Unlike you, I'm not an arrogant, supercilious, offensive jerk who can't
admit making an error.

 

[isaacq]

Nicely stated counterpoint.

I don't have time to argue with the ignorant like that; it's like
arguing with a flat-earther or an "intelligent design" fanatic.[/QUOTE]

So, let me see if I have this right. Anyone who doesn't feel the same
way about anything you have decided to completely embrace is an ignorant
****wit on a par with a scientifically ignorant religious fanatic?

That about it?

yeah, there are more than one of us.

Oh, sigh, you seem to be missing the most obvious of points. I hate it
when that happens.

There are indeed a number of people involved in this thread that know
what they are talking about. However... one of them is NOT you.

Considering that his message was in reply to <[email protected]>,
there are at least two of us, so my use of the plural is perfectly
correct.

Again: The poster using the email (e-mail address removed) has indeed
demonstrated both that they know what they are talking about and that
they are unwilling to attempt to talk about things about which they know
nothing.

You have demonstrated no such qualities and as such, are not part of a
plural involving them.

Are you always this obtuse?

Wrong; you can. Just burn it to a CD and reimport it.

Ah, yes, I see. The fact that you have then paid for something in
mediocre quality and immediately been forced to further lower the quality
of the product before you can use it is lost on you, then?

In response to the humorous remark that you can't listen to it on a
kitchen appliance. Or are you so anal retentive

A person who just used a long involved metaphor about moving a house to
justify having to jump through hoops to play music so she could
circumvent the fact that the person she was speaking with had not
implicitly used the word "directly" is going to call someone else "anal
retentive"?

At least that is a term, unlike mp3 or DRM or any of the others you are
using, that you should be intimately familiar with.

that don't understand
that "any device" in context means "any audio device"?

I understand that the poster who called your claim that music bought from
iTMS could be played on any (audio) device "rubbish" is the same exact
poster you began this post by claiming as an ally and as part of the "us"
and "we" you were using and that I was questioning.

Do you?

And are you so
anal retentive that you're now going to say that they can't be played on
a turntable?

Geepers, you've got me there. If asked, I would indeed have said that
the music purchased from iTune Music Store could not be played on a
turntable, right.

You are simply too quick for me, michelle.

Unlike you, I'm not an arrogant, supercilious, offensive jerk who can't
admit making an error.

I see your lips moving. . .