Internet Connectivity (2 XP's)

[Guest]

Hello,
I have two XP's (home) linked via a NetGear EN104tp ethernet hub. They ping
and share files, but only the one with the dial up connection hits the
Internet. The other one shows that the first is connected, and how fast the
connection is, but remains unable to connect itself. Help!

Thanks,
Alan

 

[Chuck]

Hello,
I have two XP's (home) linked via a NetGear EN104tp ethernet hub. They ping
and share files, but only the one with the dial up connection hits the
Internet. The other one shows that the first is connected, and how fast the
connection is, but remains unable to connect itself. Help!

Thanks,
Alan

Alan,

You can't share internet service using a hub. You're going to need a NAT router
to replace the hub. With a hub, you can only connect thru one computer at a
time.

Here are a couple websites with useful tutorials on internet service sharing:
http://www.cablesense.com/
http://www.homenethelp.com/
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Guest]

Alan,

You can't share internet service using a hub. You're going to need a NAT router
to replace the hub. With a hub, you can only connect thru one computer at a
time.

Here are a couple websites with useful tutorials on internet service sharing:
http://www.cablesense.com/
http://www.homenethelp.com/
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

Mark me down as confused, then. The second XP machine replaced one with
Win98SE. The Win98SE and WinXP machines used to hit the Internet. Now, the
two XP's do not. Interestingly though, the machine that cannot open "Google"
on Internet Explorer is able to detect , download, and install upgrades to
Windows as well as Spybot Search & Destroy 1.3. If it can access those sites
while IE is being used by the dial-up computer, why can it not open IE as
well?

Thanks,
Alan

 

[Chuck]

Mark me down as confused, then. The second XP machine replaced one with
Win98SE. The Win98SE and WinXP machines used to hit the Internet. Now, the
two XP's do not. Interestingly though, the machine that cannot open "Google"
on Internet Explorer is able to detect , download, and install upgrades to
Windows as well as Spybot Search & Destroy 1.3. If it can access those sites
while IE is being used by the dial-up computer, why can it not open IE as
well?

Thanks,
Alan

Alan,

I'm intrigued. I can think of a couple possibilities.

Please start by describing your network - what you have connected, and to what.
Make and model would be helpful too.

Then, please provide ipconfig information for each computer.
Start - Run - "cmd". Type "ipconfig /all >c:\ipconfig.txt" into the command
window - Open c:\ipconfig.txt in Notepad, copy and paste into your next post.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Hans-Georg Michna]

Mark me down as confused, then. The second XP machine replaced one with
Win98SE. The Win98SE and WinXP machines used to hit the Internet. Now, the
two XP's do not. Interestingly though, the machine that cannot open "Google"
on Internet Explorer is able to detect , download, and install upgrades to
Windows as well as Spybot Search & Destroy 1.3. If it can access those sites
while IE is being used by the dial-up computer, why can it not open IE as
well?

Alan,

are you saying that you cannot open the Internet Explorer
program at all? What happens when you try?

Another possibility, assuming you can open IE, is an MTU
(Maximum Transmission Unit) issue. Please have a look at
http://www.michna.com/kb/WxMTU.htm. It could be an MTU issue
particularly if the ICS computer uses the PPPoE protocol to
access the Internet through your ISP.

Normally the ICS clients should be able to use MTU discovery,
but sometimes this does not work for one reason or another, and
parts of that procedure can be disabled in Windows.

But first it would be helpful to describe the defect in more
detail.

Hans-Georg

 

[Guest]

Alan,

I'm intrigued. I can think of a couple possibilities.

Please start by describing your network - what you have connected, and to what.
Make and model would be helpful too.

Then, please provide ipconfig information for each computer.
Start - Run - "cmd". Type "ipconfig /all >c:\ipconfig.txt" into the command
window - Open c:\ipconfig.txt in Notepad, copy and paste into your next post.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

The Dial Up computer (we named it "NEW") reports the following:


Windows IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : NEW

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : VIA Rhine III Fast Ethernet
Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-09-18-FD-2C

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :



PPP adapter fidnet:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 4.244.21.10

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.244.0.3

209.244.0.4

NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled


The other computer (called "Curt") shows:


Windows IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Curt

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast
Ethernet NIC

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-2B-38-EE-02

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1


"NEW" is a Medion M3 Composer 5100 with Windows XP Home Edition Version 5.1
(Build 2600.xpsp2.30422-1633 : Service Pack 1). It has a Pentium 4 Processor
530 [3.0 GHz] with 512 MB DDR Ram and a 160 GB 7,200 rpm Seagate hard drive.

"Curt" is a Hewlet Packard Pavilion 503n with Windows XP Home Edition
Version (Build 2600.xpclient.010817-1148). It has an Intel Celeron Processor
[1.7GHz] with 128 MB DDR SDRam (upgraded later to 384 MB) and a 40 GB hard
drive partioned into 34 GB for C: and 6 GB for D: (system recovery).

They are connected via CAT 5 cables through a NetGear EN104tp Ethernet Hub.
Both machines can load the Internet Explorer program, but only the "NEW"
machine actually sees any websites load. "Curt" simply pops up the screen
that indicates that the site cannot be found and to try using the Refresh
button.

I hope this helps. I am looking forward to getting to the stage where I'm
intrigued rather than confused!

Thanks,
Alan

 

[Chuck]

"NEW" is a Medion M3 Composer 5100 with Windows XP Home Edition Version 5.1
(Build 2600.xpsp2.30422-1633 : Service Pack 1). It has a Pentium 4 Processor
530 [3.0 GHz] with 512 MB DDR Ram and a 160 GB 7,200 rpm Seagate hard drive.

"Curt" is a Hewlet Packard Pavilion 503n with Windows XP Home Edition
Version (Build 2600.xpclient.010817-1148). It has an Intel Celeron Processor
[1.7GHz] with 128 MB DDR SDRam (upgraded later to 384 MB) and a 40 GB hard
drive partioned into 34 GB for C: and 6 GB for D: (system recovery).

They are connected via CAT 5 cables through a NetGear EN104tp Ethernet Hub.
Both machines can load the Internet Explorer program, but only the "NEW"
machine actually sees any websites load. "Curt" simply pops up the screen
that indicates that the site cannot be found and to try using the Refresh
button.

I hope this helps. I am looking forward to getting to the stage where I'm
intrigued rather than confused!

Thanks,
Alan

Alan,

To start with, Curt (the problem computer?) doesn't have DNS servers (or is New
running DNS as well as proxy / router?).

How is New sharing internet service with Curt? ICS or a proxy server?

If you have ICS running on New, set Curt to "Obtain an IP address automatically"
and "Obtain DNS server addresses automatically" (TCP/IP Properties).

Here are a couple websites with tutorials how to setup ICS on New:
http://www.cablesense.com/
http://www.homenethelp.com/
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/

If that's not it, let's do some more diagnostics, from each computer:

From a command window:
1) Ping www.google.com.
2) Ping 66.102.7.99.
Report success / exact text of error messages.

From your browser:
3) Browse www.google.com.
4) Browse 66.102.7.99.
Report success / exact text of error messages.

Cheers,

Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Guest]

Alan,

To start with, Curt (the problem computer?) doesn't have DNS servers (or is New
running DNS as well as proxy / router?).

How is New sharing internet service with Curt? ICS or a proxy server?

If you have ICS running on New, set Curt to "Obtain an IP address automatically"
and "Obtain DNS server addresses automatically" (TCP/IP Properties).

Here are a couple websites with tutorials how to setup ICS on New:
http://www.cablesense.com/
http://www.homenethelp.com/
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/

If that's not it, let's do some more diagnostics, from each computer:

From a command window:
1) Ping www.google.com.
2) Ping 66.102.7.99.
Report success / exact text of error messages.

From your browser:
3) Browse www.google.com.
4) Browse 66.102.7.99.
Report success / exact text of error messages.

Cheers,

Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

Hello,
Both machines successfully ping 66.102.7.99 as well as www.google.com.
"NEW" can browse both addresses as well. "Curt" (located in my son's
bedroom) is unsuccessful browsing either. The IE window which comes up for
each says:

The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be
experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser
settings.

When I set Curt to "Obtain an IP address automatically" and "Obtain DNS
server addresses automatically" (TCP/IP Properties), then the ping function
fails also.

Thanks,
Alan