iNTERACTIVE LOGON welcome screen - make it go away

B

Bruce Musgrove

I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and legal notice
text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer configuration >Windows
settings > Security settings > security options > "Interactive logon :
Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal ntice text
screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and found them at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy
Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy
Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look like old
policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices that have been
disabled. How can I find where they comne from and get rid of them ?
 
S

Steven L Umbach

If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then another GPO
could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer to see if it
shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from which GPO. ---
Steve
 
B

Bruce Musgrove

Did that, and according to RSOP.MSC the setting is not applied. Computer
setting is "not applied" and source GPO is blank.........
Tried it on several machines with the same result.



Steven L Umbach said:
If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then another GPO
could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer to see if it
shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from which GPO. ---
Steve



Bruce Musgrove said:
I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and legal notice
text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer configuration >Windows
settings > Security settings > security options > "Interactive logon :
Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal ntice
text screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and found them
at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy
Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy
Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look like old
policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices that have
been disabled. How can I find where they comne from and get rid of
them ?
 
S

Steven L Umbach

What you could try doing is to configure the setting for the computers via a
domain level Group Policy that applies to those computers and then enable
those settings and leave them blank. Then at next reboot or after the next
Group Policy computer configuration refresh hopefully the user will no
longer see a message. You can find the GUID number that you see in the
registry that corresponds to a Group Policy by checking the properties of
your GPOs or running something like the RK tool Gpotool that will display
GUID and display name of your GPOs. If nothing matched up then those are
most likely old deleted GPOs. For Group Policy settings other than
administrative templates any settings that you want changed should be done
and allowed to propagate before a Group Policy is deleted or unlinked. ---
Steve


Bruce Musgrove said:
Did that, and according to RSOP.MSC the setting is not applied. Computer
setting is "not applied" and source GPO is blank.........
Tried it on several machines with the same result.



Steven L Umbach said:
If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then another
GPO could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer to see
if it shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from which
O. --- Steve



Bruce Musgrove said:
I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and legal notice
text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer configuration >Windows
settings > Security settings > security options > "Interactive logon :
Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal ntice
text screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and found them
at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look like old
policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices that have
been disabled. How can I find where they comne from and get rid of
them ?
 
B

Bruce Musgrove

I suspect you are right and this may be an old policy that I removed
incorrectly back when I first started experimenting. HOWEVER.... (isn't
there always a "but"?)

I noticed this policy being applied even on brand new machines that were
setup from a Windows XPSP2 CD based RIS image...The Image was created from a
XPSP2 CD, and I do join the domain in the SIF file.......That would seem to
imply the policy is hiding somewhere, but I can not find it

Steven L Umbach said:
What you could try doing is to configure the setting for the computers via
a domain level Group Policy that applies to those computers and then
enable those settings and leave them blank. Then at next reboot or after
the next Group Policy computer configuration refresh hopefully the user
will no longer see a message. You can find the GUID number that you see in
the registry that corresponds to a Group Policy by checking the properties
of your GPOs or running something like the RK tool Gpotool that will
display GUID and display name of your GPOs. If nothing matched up then
those are most likely old deleted GPOs. For Group Policy settings other
than administrative templates any settings that you want changed should be
done and allowed to propagate before a Group Policy is deleted or
unlinked. --- Steve


Bruce Musgrove said:
Did that, and according to RSOP.MSC the setting is not applied. Computer
setting is "not applied" and source GPO is blank.........
Tried it on several machines with the same result.



Steven L Umbach said:
If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then another
GPO could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer to see
if it shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from which
--- Steve



message I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and legal
notice text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer configuration
Windows settings > Security settings > security options > "Interactive
logon : Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal ntice
text screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and found
them at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look like old
policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices that have
been disabled. How can I find where they comne from and get rid of
them ?
 
S

Steven L Umbach

Interesting. Usually rsop.msc on the client computer or using the mmc snapin
for rsop on a Windows 2003 domain controller in logging/planning mode will
expose any current Group Policies. If possible try joining an XP Pro
computer to the domain that was not created from the image to see what
happens. Though a bit tedious you also could try userenv debug logging on an
XP Pro computer that displays the behavior and run the command gpupdate
/force after enabling the debugging of userenv. Then by parsing the
userenv.log you may be able to find out what is happening. Another possible
explanation is that the client computer has not successfully refreshed it's
Group Policy in a while or you have conflicting versions of the same GPO on
different domain controllers. Running gpresult on a client computer will
show the last time that computer configuration was applied and from what
domain controller. The tool Gpotool will check for problems with Group
Policy replication. --- Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;221833 --- userenv
debug logging
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=835302

Bruce Musgrove said:
I suspect you are right and this may be an old policy that I removed
incorrectly back when I first started experimenting. HOWEVER.... (isn't
there always a "but"?)

I noticed this policy being applied even on brand new machines that were
setup from a Windows XPSP2 CD based RIS image...The Image was created from
a XPSP2 CD, and I do join the domain in the SIF file.......That would seem
to imply the policy is hiding somewhere, but I can not find it

Steven L Umbach said:
What you could try doing is to configure the setting for the computers
via a domain level Group Policy that applies to those computers and then
enable those settings and leave them blank. Then at next reboot or after
the next Group Policy computer configuration refresh hopefully the user
will no longer see a message. You can find the GUID number that you see
in the registry that corresponds to a Group Policy by checking the
properties of your GPOs or running something like the RK tool Gpotool
that will display GUID and display name of your GPOs. If nothing matched
up then those are most likely old deleted GPOs. For Group Policy settings
other than administrative templates any settings that you want changed
should be done and allowed to propagate before a Group Policy is deleted
or unlinked. --- Steve


Bruce Musgrove said:
Did that, and according to RSOP.MSC the setting is not applied.
Computer setting is "not applied" and source GPO is blank.........
Tried it on several machines with the same result.



If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then another
GPO could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer to see
if it shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from which ---
Steve



message I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and legal
notice text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer configuration
Windows settings > Security settings > security options >
"Interactive
logon : Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal ntice
text screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and found
them at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look like
old policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices that
have been disabled. How can I find where they comne from and get
rid of them ?
 
B

Bruce Musgrove

GPOTOOL shows a version mismatch on NEW GROUP POLICY OBJECT on the user
side. DS =0 and sysvol = 10


Userenv debugging shows that it appears to be related to the Default Doamin
Policy REGISTRY.POL file......

USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ResetPolicies: Entering.
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with <C:\Documents
and Settings\All Users\ntuser.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190
DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeCaption
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeText
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:268 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with <\\<domain
name>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine\registry.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeCaption =>
Welcome to the Dept of [OK]
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeText => Do not
attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use of this equipment
implies agreement to all applicable computer and security policies. This
includes, but is not limited to blah blah blah [OK]



Steven L Umbach said:
Interesting. Usually rsop.msc on the client computer or using the mmc
snapin for rsop on a Windows 2003 domain controller in logging/planning
mode will expose any current Group Policies. If possible try joining an XP
Pro computer to the domain that was not created from the image to see what
happens. Though a bit tedious you also could try userenv debug logging on
an XP Pro computer that displays the behavior and run the command gpupdate
/force after enabling the debugging of userenv. Then by parsing the
userenv.log you may be able to find out what is happening. Another
possible explanation is that the client computer has not successfully
refreshed it's Group Policy in a while or you have conflicting versions of
the same GPO on different domain controllers. Running gpresult on a client
computer will show the last time that computer configuration was applied
and from what domain controller. The tool Gpotool will check for problems
with Group Policy replication. --- Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;221833 ---
userenv debug logging
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=835302

Bruce Musgrove said:
I suspect you are right and this may be an old policy that I removed
incorrectly back when I first started experimenting. HOWEVER.... (isn't
there always a "but"?)

I noticed this policy being applied even on brand new machines that were
setup from a Windows XPSP2 CD based RIS image...The Image was created
from a XPSP2 CD, and I do join the domain in the SIF file.......That
would seem to imply the policy is hiding somewhere, but I can not find it

Steven L Umbach said:
What you could try doing is to configure the setting for the computers
via a domain level Group Policy that applies to those computers and then
enable those settings and leave them blank. Then at next reboot or after
the next Group Policy computer configuration refresh hopefully the user
will no longer see a message. You can find the GUID number that you see
in the registry that corresponds to a Group Policy by checking the
properties of your GPOs or running something like the RK tool Gpotool
that will display GUID and display name of your GPOs. If nothing matched
up then those are most likely old deleted GPOs. For Group Policy
settings other than administrative templates any settings that you want
changed should be done and allowed to propagate before a Group Policy is
deleted or unlinked. --- Steve


message Did that, and according to RSOP.MSC the setting is not applied.
Computer setting is "not applied" and source GPO is blank.........
Tried it on several machines with the same result.



If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then another
GPO could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer to
see if it shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from
which --- Steve



message I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and legal
notice text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer configuration
Windows settings > Security settings > security options >
"Interactive
logon : Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal ntice
text screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and found
them at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look like
old policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices that
have been disabled. How can I find where they comne from and get
rid of them ?
 
B

Bruce Musgrove

I used regview.exe to look at the registry.pol file in
\\<dcname>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine and it has
these messages enabled and the text

KeyName: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
ValueName: LegalNoticeCaption
ValueType: REG_SZ
Value: Welcome to the Dept of

KeyName: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
ValueName: LegalNoticeText
ValueType: REG_SZ
Value: Do not attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use of
this equipment implies agreement to all applicable computer and security
policies. This includes, but is not limited to, blah blah blah

Yet if I edit the Default Domain controllers, these settings are not
enabled!!!!!!!

Bruce Musgrove said:
GPOTOOL shows a version mismatch on NEW GROUP POLICY OBJECT on the user
side. DS =0 and sysvol = 10


Userenv debugging shows that it appears to be related to the Default
Doamin Policy REGISTRY.POL file......

USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ResetPolicies: Entering.
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with
<C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ntuser.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190
DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeCaption
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeText
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:268 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with <\\<domain
name>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine\registry.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeCaption =>
Welcome to the Dept of [OK]
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeText => Do not
attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use of this
equipment implies agreement to all applicable computer and security
policies. This includes, but is not limited to blah blah blah [OK]



Steven L Umbach said:
Interesting. Usually rsop.msc on the client computer or using the mmc
snapin for rsop on a Windows 2003 domain controller in logging/planning
mode will expose any current Group Policies. If possible try joining an
XP
Pro computer to the domain that was not created from the image to see
what
happens. Though a bit tedious you also could try userenv debug logging on
an XP Pro computer that displays the behavior and run the command
gpupdate
/force after enabling the debugging of userenv. Then by parsing the
userenv.log you may be able to find out what is happening. Another
possible explanation is that the client computer has not successfully
refreshed it's Group Policy in a while or you have conflicting versions
of
the same GPO on different domain controllers. Running gpresult on a
client
computer will show the last time that computer configuration was applied
and from what domain controller. The tool Gpotool will check for problems
with Group Policy replication. --- Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;221833 ---
userenv debug logging
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=835302

Bruce Musgrove said:
I suspect you are right and this may be an old policy that I removed
incorrectly back when I first started experimenting. HOWEVER.... (isn't
there always a "but"?)

I noticed this policy being applied even on brand new machines that were
setup from a Windows XPSP2 CD based RIS image...The Image was created
from a XPSP2 CD, and I do join the domain in the SIF file.......That
would seem to imply the policy is hiding somewhere, but I can not find
it

What you could try doing is to configure the setting for the computers
via a domain level Group Policy that applies to those computers and
then
enable those settings and leave them blank. Then at next reboot or
after
the next Group Policy computer configuration refresh hopefully the user
will no longer see a message. You can find the GUID number that you see
in the registry that corresponds to a Group Policy by checking the
properties of your GPOs or running something like the RK tool Gpotool
that will display GUID and display name of your GPOs. If nothing
matched
up then those are most likely old deleted GPOs. For Group Policy
settings other than administrative templates any settings that you want
changed should be done and allowed to propagate before a Group Policy
is
deleted or unlinked. --- Steve


message Did that, and according to RSOP.MSC the setting is not applied.
Computer setting is "not applied" and source GPO is blank.........
Tried it on several machines with the same result.



If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then
another
GPO could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer to
see if it shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from
which --- Steve



message I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and legal
notice text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer configuration
Windows settings > Security settings > security options >
"Interactive
logon : Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal
ntice
text screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and found
them at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look like
old policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices
that
have been disabled. How can I find where they comne from and get
rid of them ?
 
S

Steven L Umbach

Maybe the information from Microsoft in the link below may be of help in it
explains how some security option settings can persist in some cases if they
are changed to undefined which amounts to meaning "no change". I know this
happens when domain password complexity is enabled and then is set to
undefined.

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...3a3a-4b6a-8d65-d8643722b5421033.mspx?mfr=true

What may help is to define those settings to be enabled but blank for the
default domain policy. The policy in question is computer configuration so
the mismatch for user configuration should not matter. Another possible
resolution would be to drill into the sysvol folder
[sysvol path\domain
name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine\Microsoft\Windows
NT\SecEdit]
for that GPO to the GptTmpl.inf file to see if the registry entries exist
for those two settings, delete those lines after backing up GptTmpl.inf file
first, and then going to the gpt.ini file [sysvol path\domain
name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}] for that GPO and
bumping up the version number, saving the file, and then doing a gpupdate
on that domain controller which ideally would be the PDC fsmo. --- Steve


Bruce Musgrove said:
I used regview.exe to look at the registry.pol file in
\\<dcname>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine and it has
these messages enabled and the text

KeyName: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
ValueName: LegalNoticeCaption
ValueType: REG_SZ
Value: Welcome to the Dept of

KeyName: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
ValueName: LegalNoticeText
ValueType: REG_SZ
Value: Do not attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use of
this equipment implies agreement to all applicable computer and security
policies. This includes, but is not limited to, blah blah blah

Yet if I edit the Default Domain controllers, these settings are not
enabled!!!!!!!

Bruce Musgrove said:
GPOTOOL shows a version mismatch on NEW GROUP POLICY OBJECT on the user
side. DS =0 and sysvol = 10


Userenv debugging shows that it appears to be related to the Default
Doamin Policy REGISTRY.POL file......

USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ResetPolicies: Entering.
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with
<C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ntuser.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190
DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeCaption
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeText
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:268 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with <\\<domain
name>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine\registry.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeCaption =>
Welcome to the Dept of [OK]
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeText => Do not
attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use of this
equipment implies agreement to all applicable computer and security
policies. This includes, but is not limited to blah blah blah [OK]



Steven L Umbach said:
Interesting. Usually rsop.msc on the client computer or using the mmc
snapin for rsop on a Windows 2003 domain controller in logging/planning
mode will expose any current Group Policies. If possible try joining an
XP
Pro computer to the domain that was not created from the image to see
what
happens. Though a bit tedious you also could try userenv debug logging
on
an XP Pro computer that displays the behavior and run the command
gpupdate
/force after enabling the debugging of userenv. Then by parsing the
userenv.log you may be able to find out what is happening. Another
possible explanation is that the client computer has not successfully
refreshed it's Group Policy in a while or you have conflicting versions
of
the same GPO on different domain controllers. Running gpresult on a
client
computer will show the last time that computer configuration was applied
and from what domain controller. The tool Gpotool will check for
problems
with Group Policy replication. --- Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;221833 ---
userenv debug logging
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=835302

message I suspect you are right and this may be an old policy that I removed
incorrectly back when I first started experimenting. HOWEVER.... (isn't
there always a "but"?)

I noticed this policy being applied even on brand new machines that
were
setup from a Windows XPSP2 CD based RIS image...The Image was created
from a XPSP2 CD, and I do join the domain in the SIF file.......That
would seem to imply the policy is hiding somewhere, but I can not find
it

What you could try doing is to configure the setting for the computers
via a domain level Group Policy that applies to those computers and
then
enable those settings and leave them blank. Then at next reboot or
after
the next Group Policy computer configuration refresh hopefully the
user
will no longer see a message. You can find the GUID number that you
see
in the registry that corresponds to a Group Policy by checking the
properties of your GPOs or running something like the RK tool Gpotool
that will display GUID and display name of your GPOs. If nothing
matched
up then those are most likely old deleted GPOs. For Group Policy
settings other than administrative templates any settings that you
want
changed should be done and allowed to propagate before a Group Policy
is
deleted or unlinked. --- Steve


message Did that, and according to RSOP.MSC the setting is not applied.
Computer setting is "not applied" and source GPO is blank.........
Tried it on several machines with the same result.



If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then
another
GPO could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer to
see if it shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from
which --- Steve



message I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and legal
notice text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer configuration
Windows settings > Security settings > security options >
"Interactive
logon : Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal
ntice
text screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and found
them at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look like
old policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices
that
have been disabled. How can I find where they comne from and get
rid of them ?
 
B

Bruce Musgrove

So in effect Windows 2k and 2k3 server can tattoo the registry, even though
it is not supposed to ... :)

I had already checked the GptTmpl.inf and they were clean. I bumped the rev
numbers and did a gpupdate just as a possibility, with no result.

As I said before I looked at sysvol path\domain
name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\registry.pol using
Regview.exe and it DOES define \ contain the message, albeit a older version
than existed before I undefined them in group policy.

I remember this older message, and I seem to remember having used this
particular version of the message back when we first went from NT server to
2k server, and I wonder if I did a custom ADM file with it in it.........
I'll have to try a new custom adm file to try and overwrite what is in the
registry.pol file . It's the only way I can think of that it stuck in the
registry.pol file instead of the newer message version I just recently
undefined.

Another lesson. Steven, Thank you for your patience and pointers to help me
track this down.


Steven L Umbach said:
Maybe the information from Microsoft in the link below may be of help in
it explains how some security option settings can persist in some cases if
they are changed to undefined which amounts to meaning "no change". I know
this happens when domain password complexity is enabled and then is set to
undefined.

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...3a3a-4b6a-8d65-d8643722b5421033.mspx?mfr=true

What may help is to define those settings to be enabled but blank for the
default domain policy. The policy in question is computer configuration so
the mismatch for user configuration should not matter. Another possible
resolution would be to drill into the sysvol folder
[sysvol path\domain
name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine\Microsoft\Windows
NT\SecEdit]
for that GPO to the GptTmpl.inf file to see if the registry entries exist
for those two settings, delete those lines after backing up GptTmpl.inf
file first, and then going to the gpt.ini file [sysvol path\domain
name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}] for that GPO and
bumping up the version number, saving the file, and then doing a gpupdate
on that domain controller which ideally would be the PDC fsmo. --- Steve


Bruce Musgrove said:
I used regview.exe to look at the registry.pol file in
\\<dcname>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine and it has
these messages enabled and the text

KeyName: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
ValueName: LegalNoticeCaption
ValueType: REG_SZ
Value: Welcome to the Dept of

KeyName: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
ValueName: LegalNoticeText
ValueType: REG_SZ
Value: Do not attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use
of this equipment implies agreement to all applicable computer and
security policies. This includes, but is not limited to, blah blah blah

Yet if I edit the Default Domain controllers, these settings are not
enabled!!!!!!!

Bruce Musgrove said:
GPOTOOL shows a version mismatch on NEW GROUP POLICY OBJECT on the user
side. DS =0 and sysvol = 10


Userenv debugging shows that it appears to be related to the Default
Doamin Policy REGISTRY.POL file......

USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ResetPolicies: Entering.
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with
<C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ntuser.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190
DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeCaption
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeText
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:268 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with
<\\<domain name>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine\registry.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeCaption =>
Welcome to the Dept of [OK]
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeText => Do
not attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use of this
equipment implies agreement to all applicable computer and security
policies. This includes, but is not limited to blah blah blah [OK]



Interesting. Usually rsop.msc on the client computer or using the mmc
snapin for rsop on a Windows 2003 domain controller in logging/planning
mode will expose any current Group Policies. If possible try joining an
XP
Pro computer to the domain that was not created from the image to see
what
happens. Though a bit tedious you also could try userenv debug logging
on
an XP Pro computer that displays the behavior and run the command
gpupdate
/force after enabling the debugging of userenv. Then by parsing the
userenv.log you may be able to find out what is happening. Another
possible explanation is that the client computer has not successfully
refreshed it's Group Policy in a while or you have conflicting versions
of
the same GPO on different domain controllers. Running gpresult on a
client
computer will show the last time that computer configuration was
applied
and from what domain controller. The tool Gpotool will check for
problems
with Group Policy replication. --- Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;221833 ---
userenv debug logging
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=835302

message I suspect you are right and this may be an old policy that I removed
incorrectly back when I first started experimenting. HOWEVER....
(isn't
there always a "but"?)

I noticed this policy being applied even on brand new machines that
were
setup from a Windows XPSP2 CD based RIS image...The Image was created
from a XPSP2 CD, and I do join the domain in the SIF file.......That
would seem to imply the policy is hiding somewhere, but I can not find
it

What you could try doing is to configure the setting for the
computers
via a domain level Group Policy that applies to those computers and
then
enable those settings and leave them blank. Then at next reboot or
after
the next Group Policy computer configuration refresh hopefully the
user
will no longer see a message. You can find the GUID number that you
see
in the registry that corresponds to a Group Policy by checking the
properties of your GPOs or running something like the RK tool Gpotool
that will display GUID and display name of your GPOs. If nothing
matched
up then those are most likely old deleted GPOs. For Group Policy
settings other than administrative templates any settings that you
want
changed should be done and allowed to propagate before a Group Policy
is
deleted or unlinked. --- Steve


message Did that, and according to RSOP.MSC the setting is not applied.
Computer setting is "not applied" and source GPO is blank.........
Tried it on several machines with the same result.



message
If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then
another
GPO could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer to
see if it shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from
which --- Steve



in
message I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and legal
notice text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer
configuration
Windows settings > Security settings > security options >
"Interactive
logon : Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal
ntice
text screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and
found
them at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look
like
old policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices
that
have been disabled. How can I find where they comne from and
get
rid of them ?
 
S

Steven L Umbach

Yes is some cases the registry will be tattooed and I believe that custom
..adm will for sure. As I understand it once you are configuring GP settings
outside of the buit in administrative templates you run the risk of tatting
the registry much like old NT system policies will. I believe it may be
worth your while to try and enabled those two settings in security policy
but leaving them blank rather then undefined. FYI there is also a dedicated
Microsoft Group Policy newsgroup where some users with really great
expertise in Group Policy often reply to posts including authors of Group
Policy books. --- Steve


Bruce Musgrove said:
So in effect Windows 2k and 2k3 server can tattoo the registry, even
though it is not supposed to ... :)

I had already checked the GptTmpl.inf and they were clean. I bumped the
rev numbers and did a gpupdate just as a possibility, with no result.

As I said before I looked at sysvol path\domain
name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\registry.pol using
Regview.exe and it DOES define \ contain the message, albeit a older
version than existed before I undefined them in group policy.

I remember this older message, and I seem to remember having used this
particular version of the message back when we first went from NT server
to 2k server, and I wonder if I did a custom ADM file with it in
it......... I'll have to try a new custom adm file to try and overwrite
what is in the registry.pol file . It's the only way I can think of that
it stuck in the registry.pol file instead of the newer message version I
just recently undefined.

Another lesson. Steven, Thank you for your patience and pointers to help
me track this down.


Steven L Umbach said:
Maybe the information from Microsoft in the link below may be of help in
it explains how some security option settings can persist in some cases
if they are changed to undefined which amounts to meaning "no change". I
know this happens when domain password complexity is enabled and then is
set to undefined.

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...3a3a-4b6a-8d65-d8643722b5421033.mspx?mfr=true

What may help is to define those settings to be enabled but blank for the
default domain policy. The policy in question is computer configuration
so the mismatch for user configuration should not matter. Another
possible resolution would be to drill into the sysvol folder
[sysvol path\domain
name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine\Microsoft\Windows
NT\SecEdit]
for that GPO to the GptTmpl.inf file to see if the registry entries exist
for those two settings, delete those lines after backing up GptTmpl.inf
file first, and then going to the gpt.ini file [sysvol path\domain
name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}] for that GPO and
bumping up the version number, saving the file, and then doing a
gpupdate on that domain controller which ideally would be the PDC
smo. --- Steve


Bruce Musgrove said:
I used regview.exe to look at the registry.pol file in
\\<dcname>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine and it has
these messages enabled and the text

KeyName: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
ValueName: LegalNoticeCaption
ValueType: REG_SZ
Value: Welcome to the Dept of

KeyName: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
ValueName: LegalNoticeText
ValueType: REG_SZ
Value: Do not attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use
of this equipment implies agreement to all applicable computer and
security policies. This includes, but is not limited to, blah blah blah

Yet if I edit the Default Domain controllers, these settings are not
enabled!!!!!!!

message GPOTOOL shows a version mismatch on NEW GROUP POLICY OBJECT on the
user side. DS =0 and sysvol = 10


Userenv debugging shows that it appears to be related to the Default
Doamin Policy REGISTRY.POL file......

USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ResetPolicies: Entering.
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with
<C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ntuser.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190
DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeCaption
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeText
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:268 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with
<\\<domain name>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine\registry.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeCaption =>
Welcome to the Dept of [OK]
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeText => Do
not attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use of this
equipment implies agreement to all applicable computer and security
policies. This includes, but is not limited to blah blah blah [OK]



Interesting. Usually rsop.msc on the client computer or using the mmc
snapin for rsop on a Windows 2003 domain controller in
logging/planning
mode will expose any current Group Policies. If possible try joining
an XP
Pro computer to the domain that was not created from the image to see
what
happens. Though a bit tedious you also could try userenv debug logging
on
an XP Pro computer that displays the behavior and run the command
gpupdate
/force after enabling the debugging of userenv. Then by parsing the
userenv.log you may be able to find out what is happening. Another
possible explanation is that the client computer has not successfully
refreshed it's Group Policy in a while or you have conflicting
versions of
the same GPO on different domain controllers. Running gpresult on a
client
computer will show the last time that computer configuration was
applied
and from what domain controller. The tool Gpotool will check for
problems
with Group Policy replication. --- Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;221833 ---
userenv debug logging
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=835302

message I suspect you are right and this may be an old policy that I removed
incorrectly back when I first started experimenting. HOWEVER....
(isn't
there always a "but"?)

I noticed this policy being applied even on brand new machines that
were
setup from a Windows XPSP2 CD based RIS image...The Image was created
from a XPSP2 CD, and I do join the domain in the SIF file.......That
would seem to imply the policy is hiding somewhere, but I can not
find it

What you could try doing is to configure the setting for the
computers
via a domain level Group Policy that applies to those computers and
then
enable those settings and leave them blank. Then at next reboot or
after
the next Group Policy computer configuration refresh hopefully the
user
will no longer see a message. You can find the GUID number that you
see
in the registry that corresponds to a Group Policy by checking the
properties of your GPOs or running something like the RK tool
Gpotool
that will display GUID and display name of your GPOs. If nothing
matched
up then those are most likely old deleted GPOs. For Group Policy
settings other than administrative templates any settings that you
want
changed should be done and allowed to propagate before a Group
Policy is
deleted or unlinked. --- Steve


message Did that, and according to RSOP.MSC the setting is not applied.
Computer setting is "not applied" and source GPO is blank.........
Tried it on several machines with the same result.



message
If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then
another
GPO could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer
to
see if it shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from
which --- Steve



in
message I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and legal
notice text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer
configuration
Windows settings > Security settings > security options >
"Interactive
logon : Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal
ntice
text screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and
found
them at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look
like
old policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices
that
have been disabled. How can I find where they comne from and
get
rid of them ?
 
B

Blackhole

I created a custom ADM file for these two settings
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system\LegalNoticeCaption
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system\LegalNoticeText

and imported it into the GPO under the Computer Administritative templates.
Sure enough, when I opened it the cutom policy up and looked at it, it was
already enabled and the offending messages were filled in. I cleared the
fields , left them enabled, and will leave it that way for a week or two and
then disable them for a week or two. After that I will see if I can remove
the custom template and have it stick.

Thanks steven. Now If I can only find out why the encrypted password
doesn't work in my SIF files.


Steven L Umbach said:
Yes is some cases the registry will be tattooed and I believe that custom
.adm will for sure. As I understand it once you are configuring GP
settings outside of the buit in administrative templates you run the risk
of tatting the registry much like old NT system policies will. I believe
it may be worth your while to try and enabled those two settings in
security policy but leaving them blank rather then undefined. FYI there is
also a dedicated Microsoft Group Policy newsgroup where some users with
really great expertise in Group Policy often reply to posts including
authors of Group Policy books. --- Steve


Bruce Musgrove said:
So in effect Windows 2k and 2k3 server can tattoo the registry, even
though it is not supposed to ... :)

I had already checked the GptTmpl.inf and they were clean. I bumped the
rev numbers and did a gpupdate just as a possibility, with no result.

As I said before I looked at sysvol path\domain
name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\registry.pol using
Regview.exe and it DOES define \ contain the message, albeit a older
version than existed before I undefined them in group policy.

I remember this older message, and I seem to remember having used this
particular version of the message back when we first went from NT server
to 2k server, and I wonder if I did a custom ADM file with it in
it......... I'll have to try a new custom adm file to try and overwrite
what is in the registry.pol file . It's the only way I can think of that
it stuck in the registry.pol file instead of the newer message version
I just recently undefined.

Another lesson. Steven, Thank you for your patience and pointers to help
me track this down.


Steven L Umbach said:
Maybe the information from Microsoft in the link below may be of help in
it explains how some security option settings can persist in some cases
if they are changed to undefined which amounts to meaning "no change". I
know this happens when domain password complexity is enabled and then is
set to undefined.

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...3a3a-4b6a-8d65-d8643722b5421033.mspx?mfr=true

What may help is to define those settings to be enabled but blank for
the default domain policy. The policy in question is computer
configuration so the mismatch for user configuration should not matter.
Another possible resolution would be to drill into the sysvol folder
[sysvol path\domain
name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine\Microsoft\Windows
NT\SecEdit]
for that GPO to the GptTmpl.inf file to see if the registry entries
exist for those two settings, delete those lines after backing up
GptTmpl.inf file first, and then going to the gpt.ini file [sysvol
path\domain name\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}] for
that GPO and bumping up the version number, saving the file, and then
doing a gpupdate on that domain controller which ideally would be the
PDC smo. --- Steve


message I used regview.exe to look at the registry.pol file in
\\<dcname>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine and it has
these messages enabled and the text

KeyName: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
ValueName: LegalNoticeCaption
ValueType: REG_SZ
Value: Welcome to the Dept of

KeyName: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
ValueName: LegalNoticeText
ValueType: REG_SZ
Value: Do not attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use
of this equipment implies agreement to all applicable computer and
security policies. This includes, but is not limited to, blah blah blah

Yet if I edit the Default Domain controllers, these settings are not
enabled!!!!!!!

message GPOTOOL shows a version mismatch on NEW GROUP POLICY OBJECT on the
user side. DS =0 and sysvol = 10


Userenv debugging shows that it appears to be related to the Default
Doamin Policy REGISTRY.POL file......

USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ResetPolicies: Entering.
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with
<C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ntuser.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190
DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeCaption
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:190 DeleteRegistryValue: Deleted
Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\LegalNoticeText
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:268 ParseRegistryFile: Entering with
<\\<domain name>\sysvol\<domain
name>\Policies\{31B2F340-016D-11D2-945F-00C04FB984F9}\Machine\registry.pol>.
<non releveant entries deleted>
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeCaption =>
Welcome to the Dept of [OK]
USERENV(78c.9d0) 15:44:00:283 SetRegistryValue: LegalNoticeText => Do
not attempt to log on unless you are an authorized user. Use of this
equipment implies agreement to all applicable computer and security
policies. This includes, but is not limited to blah blah blah [OK]



Interesting. Usually rsop.msc on the client computer or using the mmc
snapin for rsop on a Windows 2003 domain controller in
logging/planning
mode will expose any current Group Policies. If possible try joining
an XP
Pro computer to the domain that was not created from the image to see
what
happens. Though a bit tedious you also could try userenv debug
logging on
an XP Pro computer that displays the behavior and run the command
gpupdate
/force after enabling the debugging of userenv. Then by parsing the
userenv.log you may be able to find out what is happening. Another
possible explanation is that the client computer has not successfully
refreshed it's Group Policy in a while or you have conflicting
versions of
the same GPO on different domain controllers. Running gpresult on a
client
computer will show the last time that computer configuration was
applied
and from what domain controller. The tool Gpotool will check for
problems
with Group Policy replication. --- Steve

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;221833 ---
userenv debug logging
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=835302

message I suspect you are right and this may be an old policy that I removed
incorrectly back when I first started experimenting. HOWEVER....
(isn't
there always a "but"?)

I noticed this policy being applied even on brand new machines that
were
setup from a Windows XPSP2 CD based RIS image...The Image was
created
from a XPSP2 CD, and I do join the domain in the SIF file.......That
would seem to imply the policy is hiding somewhere, but I can not
find it

message
What you could try doing is to configure the setting for the
computers
via a domain level Group Policy that applies to those computers and
then
enable those settings and leave them blank. Then at next reboot or
after
the next Group Policy computer configuration refresh hopefully the
user
will no longer see a message. You can find the GUID number that you
see
in the registry that corresponds to a Group Policy by checking the
properties of your GPOs or running something like the RK tool
Gpotool
that will display GUID and display name of your GPOs. If nothing
matched
up then those are most likely old deleted GPOs. For Group Policy
settings other than administrative templates any settings that you
want
changed should be done and allowed to propagate before a Group
Policy is
deleted or unlinked. --- Steve


in
message Did that, and according to RSOP.MSC the setting is not applied.
Computer setting is "not applied" and source GPO is blank.........
Tried it on several machines with the same result.



message
If the computer is a member of an Active Directory domain then
another
GPO could be enforcing the setting. Run rsop.msc on the computer
to
see if it shows that it is being applied by Group Policy and from
which --- Steve



in
message I recently cleared the group policy Legal notice caption and
legal
notice text welcome screens in Group policy >Computer
configuration
Windows settings > Security settings > security options >
"Interactive
logon : Message title..." and Message text

The Group policy screen disappeared, but now I have a new legal
ntice
text screen showing up on boot . I serarched the registry and
found
them at
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy Objects\<domain
name>{xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group
Policy
Objects\neurology.swmed.org{6B93F732-AE72-4748-A422-2164D975D42D}Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]



XXXX-xxxxxx... is different in each of the above . These look
like
old policies, but I can't find them in GPO. even the old polices
that
have been disabled. How can I find where they comne from and
get
rid of them ?
 

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