Incremental cloning for XP?

[John Corliss]

Maybe we should all just "clone" our replies

Only if you do it "incrementally".

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[John Corliss]

29 years, and still needing help with a simple cloning setup ? You must
be a slow learner JC.

Who are you and why are you jumping in here to insult me? Or are you
using a sock puppet?

Regardless, I'm not having any problems with setting up programs. What
I'm having the problem with, is simply finding the best freeware
solution for my need. And by the way, it's not a "simple cloning" issue
at all, it's an *incremental cloning" problem. There is a world of
difference between the two.

As has ben pointed out to you in several threads now, that simple
solution,

WHAT simple solution are you referring to?

XXCopy

I am fully aware of the limitations of XXCopy in XP, and I've made that
perfectly clear.

and other copying apps, WON'T do what you want it to do
in XP.

So... you know this for a fact? You absolutely KNOW that there isn't
another freeware solution out there that will do incremental cloning of
my entire hard drive to my backup internal hard drive?

I find that very hard to believe. And by that, I don't mean that I find
it hard to believe that there isn't a freeware solution for my need, but
rather I find it hard to believe that you absolutely know this to be the
case.

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[Helen]

John,
I just read an article in Computer Shopper "Moving Made Easy" by Rick Broida.
It is *NOT* free, but allegedly 'hassle free'; moves files and some apps (those
not having license restrictions like MS Word and Excel, for example). The
article recommends Alohabob's $70 PC Relocator Ultra Control via a network
crossover cable ($10).
Helen
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[burris]

John,
I just read an article in Computer Shopper "Moving Made Easy" by Rick Broida.
It is *NOT* free, but allegedly 'hassle free'; moves files and some apps (those
not having license restrictions like MS Word and Excel, for example). The
article recommends Alohabob's $70 PC Relocator Ultra Control via a network
crossover cable ($10).
Helen
--
It has always been the policy of the
advocates of error, when unable to
sustain themselves by sophistry, specious
reasoning and false logic, to stigmatize
the advocates of truth.

Wow...are you going to incur the wrath of John Corliss..

To remind you of what you've done, I'll clone John's sig info from his
posts....

Be forewarned

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[Mark Warner]

Wow...are you going to incur the wrath of John Corliss..

To remind you of what you've done, I'll clone John's sig info from his
posts....

Be forewarned

I'm guessing Helen is just stirrin' it up.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 05:11:05 -0800, John Corliss

Hi John,

By the way, I've tried the XXClone/XXCopy method and for some reason it
doesn't work very well. That may be because I have my data files stored
in a folder that's not buried layers down in the $#%&!@! "Documents and
Settings" folder.

< snip >

Not sure what you mean by "doesn't work very well". Have you done
the above and then compared the files in the original drive to those
in the copy ? If so then were there files that weren't copied ? If so
then which ones ?

Regards, John.

 

[Al Klein]

I find that very hard to believe. And by that, I don't mean that I find
it hard to believe that there isn't a freeware solution for my need, but
rather I find it hard to believe that you absolutely know this to be the
case.

If, by "incremental", you mean files with the Archive bit set, use
Karen's Replicator.

 

[bambam]

I'm guessing Helen is just stirrin' it up.

Or she comes under the "other such idiots" category.

 

[Helen]

Forewarned! LOL! (Note I did use "OT"...I think, lol).
;-0)

 

[John Corliss]

John Corliss wrote:

Hi John,



< snip >

Not sure what you mean by "doesn't work very well". Have you done
the above and then compared the files in the original drive to those
in the copy ? If so then were there files that weren't copied ? If so
then which ones ?

John, yesterday I figured out what the problem is and the following
should clarify things. Here's the setup:

1. Main hard drive is two partitions, both NTFS.
2. Backup hard drive is two partitions, both FAT32.

I back up the main drive's first paritition to the first partition on
the backup hard drive. XXCopy doesn't seem to want to do incremental
cloning from an NTFS file system onto a FAT32 file system. The way I
figured this out is that I used an old shortcut and forgot to change the
destination to my "G:" drive, so that the clone (of my data folder) was
from the first drive's number one partition to it's second one (in other
words, from NTFS to NTFS) so that the incremental cloning worked
perfectly the second time I did it. That is to say that the second time
I ran that shortcut, not noticing that I was cloning a main drive's
partition folder to the main drive's second partition, it didn't
re-write every single file. Once I straightened up the drive letters on
the command line and ran the clone twice again, I noticed that XXCopy
overwrote all the files every time.

Guess if I want incremental cloning to work with XXCopy in XP, I need to
reformat my backup drive to NTFS. I'd hoped to leave it as FAT 32 for
purposes of going back to M.E. if I make that decision, but oh well. I
can always use DVD to accomplish transferring data files back should I
do that.

Thanks for replying!

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[burris]

John, yesterday I figured out what the problem is and the following
should clarify things. Here's the setup:

1. Main hard drive is two partitions, both NTFS.
2. Backup hard drive is two partitions, both FAT32.

I back up the main drive's first paritition to the first partition on
the backup hard drive. XXCopy doesn't seem to want to do incremental
cloning from an NTFS file system onto a FAT32 file system. The way I
figured this out is that I used an old shortcut and forgot to change the
destination to my "G:" drive, so that the clone (of my data folder) was
from the first drive's number one partition to it's second one (in other
words, from NTFS to NTFS) so that the incremental cloning worked
perfectly the second time I did it. That is to say that the second time
I ran that shortcut, not noticing that I was cloning a main drive's
partition folder to the main drive's second partition, it didn't
re-write every single file. Once I straightened up the drive letters on
the command line and ran the clone twice again, I noticed that XXCopy
overwrote all the files every time.

Guess if I want incremental cloning to work with XXCopy in XP, I need to
reformat my backup drive to NTFS. I'd hoped to leave it as FAT 32 for
purposes of going back to M.E. if I make that decision, but oh well. I
can always use DVD to accomplish transferring data files back should I
do that.

Thanks for replying!

John....

Does this mean that we can put the incremental HDD cloning to bed and go
back to concentrating on cloning Sheep?

burris

 

[Thomas Lauer]

John, yesterday I figured out what the problem is and the following
should clarify things. Here's the setup:

1. Main hard drive is two partitions, both NTFS.
2. Backup hard drive is two partitions, both FAT32.

He, he. I wrote the following, just a few days ago:

All partitions are NTFS (mixing FATxx and NTFS when syncing via
date/time is not the best of ideas).

But for you, John, I'll repeat it: mixing FS'es like that is NEVER a
good idea when doing incremental updates.

HTH and YMMV.

 

[Frank Bohan]

John....

Does this mean that we can put the incremental HDD cloning to bed and go
back to concentrating on cloning Sheep?

It seems that cloning Sheep is no longer permissible. See
http://www.k7computing.com/Hoaxes/sheep.htm

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[John Corliss]

John....
Does this mean that we can put the incremental HDD cloning to bed and go
back to concentrating on cloning Sheep?

You mean like this?

http://www.tcnj.edu/~hofmann/Humor/Misc/sheep.htm

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[John Corliss]

He, he. I wrote the following, just a few days ago:


But for you, John, I'll repeat it: mixing FS'es like that is NEVER a
good idea when doing incremental updates.

HTH and YMMV.

Thomas, I remember when you did and I'm sorry I didn't credit you with
that. Thanks for pointing out this problem too. It's real and I think
probably always applies with XXCopy.

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[burris]

You mean like this?

http://www.tcnj.edu/~hofmann/Humor/Misc/sheep.htm

You got it!

 

[John Fitzsimons]

John Fitzsimons wrote:

Hi John,

John, yesterday I figured out what the problem is and the following
should clarify things. Here's the setup:

1. Main hard drive is two partitions, both NTFS.
2. Backup hard drive is two partitions, both FAT32.

AAaaarrrggh ! Why didn't you make your main drive and backup drive
both FAT32 ?

reformat my backup drive to NTFS. I'd hoped to leave it as FAT 32 for
purposes of going back to M.E.

< snip >

Wouldn't the above give you that ?

Regards, John.

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[John Corliss]

Hi John,




AAaaarrrggh ! Why didn't you make your main drive and backup drive
both FAT32 ?

I wanted to try NTFS. I've heard that starting out with FAT32 in XP and
then later converting to NTFS causes problems. Forget where I read that.
I think it was a Microsoft site.

< snip >

Wouldn't the above give you that ?

You mean going FAT32 on both drives? Yes, it would have. But in order to
experience XP in its fullest, I wanted to try NTFS. Guess I wanted my
cake and to eat it too. Regardless, the /FF switch as recommended by
Bill Bradshaw in another thread works pretty nicely.

Heh. Since I'm only now trying XP, and the majority of other users in
this group have been using it for years, I have to play catch-up. It's
frustrating for everybody. I try to remember conversations I've seen in
this group, but..gak... my brain drive is full and many of the files are
corrupt. 80)>

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[Thomas Lauer]

You mean going FAT32 on both drives? Yes, it would have. But in order to
experience XP in its fullest, I wanted to try NTFS. Guess I wanted my
cake and to eat it too. Regardless, the /FF switch as recommended by
Bill Bradshaw in another thread works pretty nicely.

Heh. Since I'm only now trying XP, and the majority of other users in
this group have been using it for years, I have to play catch-up.

I am the conservative sort of person with regard to software (to put
things politely) and it took me a long time to switch from WinME to
Win2K and even longer to switch *all* my partitions from FAT32 to NTFS.
I finally switched the last partition to NTFS about two years ago and I
have never looked back since.

The NT-based OSes from M$ are definitely much better than the DOS-based
crap, so much so that with hindsight (20/20 by definition) it's
really a no-brainer.

As to NTFS... this is so much better than the FAT32 stuff that my only
regret is that I waited so long. Hope that helps you feeling more
comfortable with the idea...

Again: YMMV.

 

[Dewy Edwards]

I wanted to try NTFS. I've heard that starting out with FAT32 in XP and
then later converting to NTFS causes problems. Forget where I read that.
I think it was a Microsoft site.


You mean going FAT32 on both drives? Yes, it would have. But in order to
experience XP in its fulleshttp://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=e0fc1154-c975-4814-9649-cce41af06eb7&DisplayLang=ent, I wanted to try NTFS. Guess I wanted my
cake and to eat it too. Regardless, the /FF switch as recommended by
Bill Bradshaw in another thread works pretty nicely.

Heh. Since I'm only now trying XP, and the majority of other users in
this group have been using it for years, I have to play catch-up. It's
frustrating for everybody. I try to remember conversations I've seen in
this group, but..gak... my brain drive is full and many of the files are
corrupt. 80)>

I don't have XP, but the following link is carried by

http://www.synergymx.com/foss.asp

Microsoft Sync Toy.

If the link's program description seems helpful, and if your willing
to put up with the DRM bullshit (you must validate your OS), look at

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...54-c975-4814-9649-cce41af06eb7&DisplayLang=en