Incomplete Defragmentation

[Guest]

Hi,

When I do a defragmentation, which at least twice a week, the
defragmentation leaves many fragmented files. I tried Page Defrag but it
didn't help. Is there another program that I can use or a setting that I can
change so that the drive can be completely defragmented? This is a report of
the defrag that I ran today:

Volume (C
Volume size = 38.28 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 23.70 GB
Free space = 14.58 GB
Percent free space = 38 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 17 %
File fragmentation = 34 %
Free space fragmentation = 1 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 40,239
Average file size = 730 KB
Total fragmented files = 33
Total excess fragments = 66,643
Average fragments per file = 2.65

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 600 MB
Total fragments = 22

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 4,794
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragm = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 49 MB
MFT record count = 45,741
Percent MFT in use = 92 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

Denise

 

[Grok]

HartsVideo wrote:
| Hi,
|
| When I do a defragmentation, which at least twice a week, the
| defragmentation leaves many fragmented files. I tried Page Defrag but it
| didn't help. Is there another program that I can use or a setting that I
| can change so that the drive can be completely defragmented? This is a
| report of the defrag that I ran today:
|
| Volume (C
| Volume size = 38.28 GB
| Cluster size = 4 KB
| Used space = 23.70 GB
| Free space = 14.58 GB
| Percent free space = 38 %
|
| Volume fragmentation
| Total fragmentation = 17 %
| File fragmentation = 34 %
| Free space fragmentation = 1 %
|
| File fragmentation
| Total files = 40,239
| Average file size = 730 KB
| Total fragmented files = 33
| Total excess fragments = 66,643
| Average fragments per file = 2.65
|
| Pagefile fragmentation
| Pagefile size = 600 MB
| Total fragments = 22
|
| Folder fragmentation
| Total folders = 4,794
| Fragmented folders = 1
| Excess folder fragm = 0
|
| Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
| Total MFT size = 49 MB
| MFT record count = 45,741
| Percent MFT in use = 92 %
| Total MFT fragments = 3
|
| Denise

It's almost all your pagefile. You can set the pagefile to zero, reboot.
Defrag then set a pagefile - it should be less fragmented. There is almost
always a bit of fragmentation on an NTFS formatted volume .. although I
often get it down to the pagefile fragmented into 2 pieces according to the
built in defragmenter.

If you reduce it to a few files, run a checkdisk ..if eveything is OK then
simply stop worrying about it. If you can't stop worrying about it because
of an obsessive compulsion, spend half an hour watching World Vision and
which will fix you to realizing there are far more serious concerns in this
world.

 

[Rock]

Hi,

When I do a defragmentation, which at least twice a week, the
defragmentation leaves many fragmented files. I tried Page Defrag but it
didn't help. Is there another program that I can use or a setting that I can
change so that the drive can be completely defragmented? This is a report of
the defrag that I ran today:

Volume (C
Volume size = 38.28 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 23.70 GB
Free space = 14.58 GB
Percent free space = 38 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 17 %
File fragmentation = 34 %
Free space fragmentation = 1 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 40,239
Average file size = 730 KB
Total fragmented files = 33
Total excess fragments = 66,643
Average fragments per file = 2.65

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 600 MB
Total fragments = 22

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 4,794
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragm = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 49 MB
MFT record count = 45,741
Percent MFT in use = 92 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

Denise

Why are you defragmenting twice a week? This is not needed. Maybe once
a month.

 

[Guest]

Hi, you said "You can set the pagefile to zero, reboot. Defrag then set a
pagefile."

How do I do this?

Denise

 

[Guest]

The reasons why I defrag twice a week aren't important, but since you asked,
I'll tell you. My pc is a workhorse. Large volumes of info come into and go
out of it for at least 18 hrs/day. A completely defragmented C drive allows
my pc to work more quickly and efficiently.

I found a partial fix for completely defragmenting my C drive. I removed
the files that wouldn't defrag onto another drive, where they were moved as a
unit. I defragmented my C drive and the result was an almost completely
defragmented hd. I then moved the files that were previously moved to
another drive and did another defrag. Again, the C drive was almost
completely defragmented. This might not be the perfect solution but I
obtained the results that I wanted.

I come to the Microsoft forums often for advice and fixes. Many times I'm
given excellent advice but there are times when the answer to my question
receives a rude reply or one that give no help at all, such as your reply.
When people come here, we come here because we need help, not to be insulted
or ridiculed because we don't know as much about software/hardware as the
people who respond. This must stop. When a question is asked, the people
who respond need to reply to the question as if a supervisor, a parent or a
friend were asking it. If a response comes forth from that perspective, all
who receive advice at these forums would leave here feeling good about the
experience they had here.

A thought: There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.

Denise

 

[Guest]

P.S. My experience with how bad things/life can be was made crystal clear to
me when, almost 2 years ago, my 19 year old son died in a car accident. I
know it first hand . . . no television program could come anywhere near the
devastation that I experienced. In addition, I never watch television as I
consider it a boob tube. I prefer to read good novels and newspapers.

As for my so-called "obsessive compulsive," behavior, the work that I
produce on my pc has gained me several promotions and awards at work. I take
excellent care of my pc because it's my bread and butter.

Denise

 

[Rock]

The reasons why I defrag twice a week aren't important, but since you asked,
I'll tell you. My pc is a workhorse. Large volumes of info come into and go
out of it for at least 18 hrs/day. A completely defragmented C drive allows
my pc to work more quickly and efficiently.

I found a partial fix for completely defragmenting my C drive. I removed
the files that wouldn't defrag onto another drive, where they were moved as a
unit. I defragmented my C drive and the result was an almost completely
defragmented hd. I then moved the files that were previously moved to
another drive and did another defrag. Again, the C drive was almost
completely defragmented. This might not be the perfect solution but I
obtained the results that I wanted.

I come to the Microsoft forums often for advice and fixes. Many times I'm
given excellent advice but there are times when the answer to my question
receives a rude reply or one that give no help at all, such as your reply.
When people come here, we come here because we need help, not to be insulted
or ridiculed because we don't know as much about software/hardware as the
people who respond. This must stop. When a question is asked, the people
who respond need to reply to the question as if a supervisor, a parent or a
friend were asking it. If a response comes forth from that perspective, all
who receive advice at these forums would leave here feeling good about the
experience they had here.

A thought: There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.

Denise


:

I asked a question then gave some information. I don't see how you
could have thought my response was rude. Maybe you didn't like the
answer but it wasn't rude. If you don't find the information of value
then disregard it. I still stay with my original assertion, however.

 

[Grok]

HartsVideo wrote:
| P.S. My experience with how bad things/life can be was made crystal
| clear to me when, almost 2 years ago, my 19 year old son died in a car
| accident. I know it first hand . . . no television program could come
| anywhere near the devastation that I experienced. In addition, I never
| watch television as I consider it a boob tube. I prefer to read good
| novels and newspapers.
|
| As for my so-called "obsessive compulsive," behavior, the work that I
| produce on my pc has gained me several promotions and awards at work. I
| take excellent care of my pc because it's my bread and butter.
|
| Denise

That's tragic. I can't imagine - honest to God - and don't want to.

Anway, one occasionally gets people who obsess over their harddrives - I was
chiding a bit just in case you were leaning towards that - but regardless -
the way to set your pagefile to zero is through the System applet:

Right-click on "My Computer > select "Properties" > Advance tab > in
"Performance" section hit the "Settings" button > Advanced tab > in the
"Virtual Memory" section hit the "Change" button > select the "No Paging"
radio button > be sure to hit the "Set" button" > click the OKs > Windows
will probably prompt you to reboot.

When you reboot defragment the harddrive:

Start > All Programs > Accessories > System Tools > Disk Defragmenter

Then go back to the System applet and set the Virtual Memory's pagefile
size. You can let Windows manage it (recommended). Or you can set a fixed
size. Or, if you have a good Gig of RAM and no overly demanding apps you can
leave it on zero.

Note, depending on your system, if it does not have a great deal of RAM, you
might actually have to have a pagefile to run Defragmenter. If that is the
case you go through the System applet and set one.

The idea is to clear the harddrive of the big pagefile and let it defrag.
Then when you reset a pagefile it will find a nice open space on the
harddrive to set up shop.

Things you might do in addition *before* defragmenting:

Turn off hibernation
Run Disk Cleanup and be sure to go to its "More Options" tab and clean up
the System Restore files.

When running defragmenter this time, run it twice.

Thereafter, regularly run Defragmenter about once a month. No need to
overwork the harddrives. defrag.exe is the commandline version of Disk
Defragmenter and you can run it from a batch file or script - i.e. one click
defragmentation .. or .. i.e. automated defragmentation [use Scheduled
Tasks]

 

[Guest]

I would say that to defrag once a month is sufficient for most people who
used their pc's mostly for email, saving recipes, surfing the net, etc, so
your advice is good under those circumstances. I move between 2G and 10G of
info through my pc every day. Parts of files remain while other parts are
deleted. Information from some files are joined with parts of other files
and that info is saved to a new file. Sometimes a complete file is deleted
after the necessary info has been gleaned from it to create a new file.
Because of this large volume of info transfer, and maybe due to the fact that
my pc is over 3 yrs old, has only 256Mb of RAM and its speed is 945 MHz, or
maybe because I work very quickly, a defrag is needed twice a week or my pc
becomes very sluggish, and time on my pc is money for me.

Denise

 

[Grok]

HartsVideo wrote:
| I would say that to defrag once a month is sufficient for most people who
| used their pc's mostly for email, saving recipes, surfing the net, etc, so
| your advice is good under those circumstances. I move between 2G and 10G
| of info through my pc every day. Parts of files remain while other parts
| are deleted. Information from some files are joined with parts of other
| files and that info is saved to a new file. Sometimes a complete file is
| deleted after the necessary info has been gleaned from it to create a new
| file. Because of this large volume of info transfer, and maybe due to the
| fact that my pc is over 3 yrs old, has only 256Mb of RAM and its speed is
| 945 MHz, or maybe because I work very quickly, a defrag is needed twice a
| week or my pc becomes very sluggish, and time on my pc is money for me.
|
| Denise

You might consider a batch file or script that runs defrag.exe (the
commandline equivalent of Disk Defragmenter). With it you can defrag with
one click (rather than drilling though menus, selecting the drive etc. etc),
or simply "set it and forget it" by running it as a Scheduled Task.

 

[Alias]

I would say that to defrag once a month is sufficient for most people who
used their pc's mostly for email, saving recipes, surfing the net, etc, so
your advice is good under those circumstances. I move between 2G and 10G of
info through my pc every day. Parts of files remain while other parts are
deleted. Information from some files are joined with parts of other files
and that info is saved to a new file. Sometimes a complete file is deleted
after the necessary info has been gleaned from it to create a new file.
Because of this large volume of info transfer, and maybe due to the fact that
my pc is over 3 yrs old, has only 256Mb of RAM and its speed is 945 MHz, or
maybe because I work very quickly, a defrag is needed twice a week or my pc
becomes very sluggish, and time on my pc is money for me.

Denise

I used to use the built-in XP defrag but lately I've been using the one
that comes with SystemSuite, JetDefrag, and I find it does a more
complete job and lasts a lot longer. It's not free. You can get it at
http://www.v-com.com/

Alias

 

[David Candy]

One stupid skanky ho to another

 

[Doug White]

Keywords:

Hi,

When I do a defragmentation, which at least twice a week, the
defragmentation leaves many fragmented files. I tried Page Defrag but it
didn't help. Is there another program that I can use or a setting that I can
change so that the drive can be completely defragmented? This is a report of
the defrag that I ran today:

The pagefile defragmentation has already been addressed. In general,
XP's defragger isn't very good. If you want complete defragmentation,
you can run it multiple times. Depending on how chopped up your files
are, it can take 3 or 4 passes to defragment things completely. The
really stupid thing is that the defragger leaves the files scattered
around the drive, with lots of gaps. This means it will fragment files
more quickly in the future. I've used several third party defraggers,
and the XP one is really lame in comparison. It's only major advantage
is that it's free & pre-installed.

Doug White