In Re Epson Ink Cartridge Class Action Cases

[Mike]

( Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347)
Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los Angeles

A notice of settlement of a class action lawsuit about Epson ink
cartridges has been preliminarily approved. Information about the settlement
is available at www.epsonsettlement.com .
This settlement relates to certain qualifying printers listed on the above
website which were purchased on or after April 8, 1999 and through May 8,
2006. Epson allegedly in those printers had the ink levels indicate empty
while there was available ink in the cartridges. For the terms of the
settlement and whether you may participate in the class action settlement
check the www.epsonsettlement.com website.

 

[Frank]

( Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347)
Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los Angeles

A notice of settlement of a class action lawsuit about Epson ink
cartridges has been preliminarily approved. Information about the settlement
is available at www.epsonsettlement.com .
This settlement relates to certain qualifying printers listed on the above
website which were purchased on or after April 8, 1999 and through May 8,
2006. Epson allegedly in those printers had the ink levels indicate empty
while there was available ink in the cartridges. For the terms of the
settlement and whether you may participate in the class action settlement
check the www.epsonsettlement.com website.

Well I've three Epsons that qualify for this class action law suite. I
have a choice of $45USD credit per printer or $25USD check for each one.
This is for screwing us on their oem ink.
Bastards!
Frank

 

[bmoag]

If you think Epson are bastards think about how much the lawyers are getting
compared to you.

 

[measekite]

If you think Epson are bastards think about how much the lawyers are getting
compared to you.

OH YEAH

 

[Frank]

If you think Epson are bastards think about how much the lawyers are getting
compared to you.

Well I've really not too much to carp about seeing as how I never use
oem ink.
In over 10 yrs I know I've saved thousands of $'s!
Frank

 

[Zitty]

Well I've three Epsons that qualify for this class action law suite. I
have a choice of $45USD credit per printer or $25USD check for each one.
This is for screwing us on their oem ink.
Bastards!
Frank

They can afford it - its just an extra $0.50 on each OEM ink cart.

 

[Jan Alter]

This should be interesting. Our school has more than 60 Epson printers
bought between those times. 60 X $45 is a hefty sum. Will all of them be
acceptable to be resgistered if bought by the same school? Guess I have to
get in touch with one of the class action lawyers.
That's a hell of a lot of printers between April 1999 and May 2006
I guess since it's not going to court no new software will be developed to
make less waste of the remaining ink in each cartridge and anyone with an
Epson printer fitting those categories, which seem to entail most of their
models in the inkjet class, will continue to be wasting quite a lot of ink
unless they have a CIS or are refilling their own.
What an incredible waste of resources.

 

[Bob Headrick]

( Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347)
Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los
Angeles

A notice of settlement of a class action lawsuit about Epson ink
cartridges has been preliminarily approved. Information about the
settlement is available at www.epsonsettlement.com .

I am really surprised Epson rolled over on this one, as there are very
valid technical reasons to give an ink message before the ink actually
runs out. If the ink was allowed to run out there would be a risk of
damage to the rather expensive printheads.

What is next, threatening to sue auto manufacturers because there is
still gas left when the needle registers empty?

- Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging

 

[Taliesyn]

I am really surprised Epson rolled over on this one, as there are very
valid technical reasons to give an ink message before the ink actually
runs out. If the ink was allowed to run out there would be a risk of
damage to the rather expensive printheads.

What is next, threatening to sue auto manufacturers because there is
still gas left when the needle registers empty?

I suppose the question is, how much ink was still in the cartridge when
it read "empty". If there was still 25% then I'd be quite upset and can
see just cause for a class action suit. We're not talking about a $3
dollar cartridge. Usually a set will cost nearly as much as the printer.

-Taliesyn

 

[ZR]

( Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347)

I am really surprised Epson rolled over on this one, as there are very
valid technical reasons to give an ink message before the ink actually
runs out. If the ink was allowed to run out there would be a risk of
damage to the rather expensive printheads.

It may be true, but it's not acceptible from customer's point of view: you
can't FORCE customer to throw away 1/4 or more of the expensive ink. They
probably would not have got into this trouble if they do not FORCE the
printer to shut down. Instead, they can just simply give a warning. Some
customer may ignore the warning and just continue to print, and cause damage
to the printer. Then it's the customer's problem.

What is next, threatening to sue auto manufacturers because there is still
gas left when the needle registers empty?

Don't see what's the point here: The engine doesn't shut down as long as you
still have gas in the tank, no matter the needle register empty or not.
Besides you are not FORCED to throw away the gas that's left.

On the other hand, they may get sued if there is no gas in the tank while
the needle registers full (or npn-empty), -.

 

[ZR]

( Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4347)

I suppose the question is, how much ink was still in the cartridge when
it read "empty".

Sometimes, FULL. I wasted an entire set in cleaning and printing while
trying to get it back to work. Not a single word was printed out. Yet all
the cartridges were "empty" and had to through them away, including the
printer of course.

 

[George E. Cawthon]

I suppose the question is, how much ink was still in the cartridge when
it read "empty". If there was still 25% then I'd be quite upset and can
see just cause for a class action suit. We're not talking about a $3
dollar cartridge. Usually a set will cost nearly as much as the printer.

-Taliesyn

Well, each person who is eligible, signed up etc.
will get there $45, which probably has an actual
cost of $10. But most people with the potential
to be eligible won't have signed up in time so
will get nothing. OTOH, the lawyers will be paid
a certain percentage of the total, and that will
probably be based on a lot more people than those
that actually get some money. So, a few buyers
will get $10 worth of stuff ($45 at retail) and
the lawyers will several million dollars. Works
every time.

 

[Davy]

Screw em as hard as you can....after all thats what they done us

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,114590,00.as

Just a snippe
Quote-
The Stylus C84 on average stopped printing with 20 percent of th

ink left in the cartridge, while the Canon i850 stopped printing wit
10 percent of the ink left. Canon says that it generally strives t
leave 6 percent of a cartridge's ink as a safety margin. Epso
doesn't disclose its target residual ink levels, nor will the compan
comment on why so high a proportion of the total ink is unused whe
printing stops. The other printers we tested gave low-ink message
but never stopped functioning (see the test report for details)
Unquote

A little old meat to chew ..! We in the UK are still gettin
"Clogged

Never get clogged with an Epson eh...

Dav

 

[HankG]

It may be true, but it's not acceptible from customer's point of view: you
can't FORCE customer to throw away 1/4 or more of the expensive ink. They
probably would not have got into this trouble if they do not FORCE the
printer to shut down. Instead, they can just simply give a warning. Some
customer may ignore the warning and just continue to print, and cause damage
to the printer. Then it's the customer's problem.


Don't see what's the point here: The engine doesn't shut down as long as you
still have gas in the tank, no matter the needle register empty or not.
Besides you are not FORCED to throw away the gas that's left.

On the other hand, they may get sued if there is no gas in the tank while
the needle registers full (or npn-empty), -.

I'd be happy if Epson was forced to re-issue software that would give an
honest picture of ink usage, along with a message when it was absolutely
necessary to change the cartridge.

HankG

 

[Jan Alter]

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Jan Alter
(e-mail address removed)
or
(e-mail address removed)12.pa.us

I'd be happy if Epson was forced to re-issue software that would give an
honest picture of ink usage, along with a message when it was absolutely
necessary to change the cartridge.

HankG

I'd be satisfied with that end, but Epson must be thinking it's cheaper for
them to pay out a pittance amount per printer than to have lawsuits coming
in for ruined printers due to ink running out and ruining the head with
revamped software that allows more ink to be used. I agree with Bob
Headrick's observation in that keeping a high safetynet of ink allows Epson
to avoid that consequence.
At this point though Epson will have to rethink what margin of unused ink
will need to remain in the cartridge when the printer refuses to print.
Perhaps instead of a complete print stoppage at the constant red light a
warning should be issued that printing further will cause the head to burn
up should the ink run out.

 

[Mike]

Take a look at http://www.rechargermag.com/article.asp?id=200312016. The
article claims that independent testing revealed the Epson's cartridges
retained between 10% and 30% of the ink when they shut the printer down. If
true that is one hell of a lot of ink.
Mike

 

[Zitty]

Sometimes, FULL. I wasted an entire set in cleaning and printing while
trying to get it back to work. Not a single word was printed out. Yet all
the cartridges were "empty" and had to through them away, including the
printer of course.

Ever wondered what happens when you clean the heads? Hint: Ink is pulled by
a pump through the printhead.

 

[measekite]

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ENJOY BENDING OVER

Screw em as hard as you can....after all thats what they done us.



ink left in the cartridge, while the Canon i850 stopped printing with
10 percent of the ink left. Canon says that it generally strives to
leave 6 percent of a cartridge's ink as a safety margin. Epson
doesn't disclose its target residual ink levels, nor will the company
comment on why so high a proportion of the total ink is unused when
printing stops. The other printers we tested gave low-ink messages
but never stopped functioning (see the test report for details).
Unquote:

A little old meat to chew ..! We in the UK are still getting
"Clogged"

Never get clogged with an Epson eh...?

Davy

 

[Davy]

And people still go out and buy Epsons, either they are poor learners
or don't care two hoots.

Davy

 

[measekite]

And people still go out and buy Epsons, either they are poor learners
or don't care two hoots.

Davy

YEAH AND DA SAME MORONS BUY UNDISCLOSED AFTERMARKET INK