IMAP Spam filter, Specifiying Destinations - Outlook isn't good en

[Guest]

Hello all,
I am testing office 2007 Beta 2. I have been using Thunderbird which is
still the best email client I have ever used. All of the key IMAP features
of Thunderbird are completely lacking in Outlook 2007 / 12. Microsoft could
learn a few things from its functionality. Obviousy Outlook was developed
for companies completely dependent on Microsoft infrastructure .

Here is a list of serious problems in Outlook 2007:
1) The Spam filter DOES NOT work on IMAP
2) Even it it does work you can not specify the destination folder per IMAP
account
3) Can not specify IMAP folders per account for Templates, Drafts and Trash.
4) On delete should have the option for autmatic copy to trash folder and
purge

I am starting to use Outlook 2007 because I need to work from 2 offices and
syncronize with mobile, PDA as well as share calendars, contacts, tasks,
notes. I use a small Exchange account ($10 a month) just for this but our
own server for emails. MS Exchange is NOT a valid option for our company as
we are 5 people and only 2 work from more than one office. The cost for an
Exchange Server is upwards of $2000 and does not support IMAP well so that
more than one person can use the same account and always have the sent items
and trash to refer to.

I am using Outlook now out of necesity not because it is a superior product.
I really suggest that Microsoft looks into the above problems because the
small business based on Linux web servers and IMAP is growing every day and
even though we are not "Big" companies we ( self employed and small
businesses) are important too. Being an IT professional myself I hope you
take this feedback into account and make your product better.


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[BillR [MVP]]

For 1: download full items and it will work.
You also know you can purge deleted items when you change to another folder?

 

[Patrick Schmid]

1) The Spam filter DOES NOT work on IMAP
It does. A message needs to be downloaded though in order for the spam
filter to work. There is an issue in Beta 2 though were the spam filter
in general does not work all the time. Mine stops working for a few
days, then starts working again. You might be able to force it to work
by switching it off, closing Outlook, reopening it and switching it back
on.

2) Even it it does work you can not specify the destination folder per IMAP
account

Correct. Outlook uses always its own Junk E-mail folder for each IMAP
account. Request to change this was denied.

3) Can not specify IMAP folders per account for Templates, Drafts and Trash.

Yep. Also correct. Requests for adding these features were denied.
Outlook 2007 lets you specify a Sent Items folder though.

4) On delete should have the option for autmatic copy to trash folder and
purge

A trash folder is really not how IMAP works. It's more a feature to give
users a behavior that is similar to what they are used to instead of the
actual IMAP behavior. The IMAP protocol itself specifies deleting
marking followed by purging.
Best approach is to use a view that hides deleted messages and purge
regularly (or automatically depending on your preference).

I am using Outlook now out of necesity not because it is a superior product.
I really suggest that Microsoft looks into the above problems because the
small business based on Linux web servers and IMAP is growing every day and
even though we are not "Big" companies we ( self employed and small
businesses) are important too. Being an IT professional myself I hope you
take this feedback into account and make your product better.

None of the issues you identified are serious ones though. You can work
around all of them and get a pretty satisfying work experience.

If you have used Outlook 2003 for IMAP before, you should see a
significant difference. I'd say that the differences really demonstrate
that MS is committed to providing good IMAP support. The features
missing in IMAP compared to Thunderbird are really just the folder
issues you listed above.
Here is a list of improvements made to IMAP in 2007:
1. Now IMAPrev4 compliant
2. New chunking sync'ing strategy implemented so that users can work
with IMAP items as they are downloaded. Synch'ing no longer pops a
dialog that prevents users from using Outlook
3. Enhanced purge functionality including the brand new Purge on
Switch feature
4. Ability to define the Sent Items folder
5. IMAP now uses UNICODE PSTs by default
6. More robust logging
7. Test Account button added
8. Increased security
9. TLS encryption
10. PLAIN authentication
11. Support for STARTTLS
12. Private ID field on SMTP outgoing message
13. Search folders now work on IMAP items
14. Flagging behavior that is tailored towards the capabilities of IMAP
Servers

Patrick Schmid

 

[Brian Tillman]

Here is a list of serious problems in Outlook 2007:
1) The Spam filter DOES NOT work on IMAP

Downloading the full message should allow it to work.

2) Even it it does work you can not specify the destination folder
per IMAP account

Does the Junk Mail filter allow specifying the destination folder on ANY
account? I haven't tried OL 2007 yet.

3) Can not specify IMAP folders per account for Templates, Drafts and
Trash.

I don't see why you can't create those folders, but IMAP protocols don't
deal with trash folders.

4) On delete should have the option for autmatic copy to trash
folder and purge

Enable purging on close and then enable hiding deleted messages. IMAP
accounts simply don't have trash folders.

 

[David Wynn]

I'm having the same problem.... simply nothing gets labeled as junk and
hasn't been from day one.

It does. A message needs to be downloaded though in order for the spam
filter to work. There is an issue in Beta 2 though were the spam filter
in general does not work all the time. Mine stops working for a few
days, then starts working again. You might be able to force it to work
by switching it off, closing Outlook, reopening it and switching it back
on.

How do I download the full message? I've created a rule that moves all
mail to a local folder (Personal Folders -> Inbox) in hope that it
would kick Outlook into screening the mail, but again no success.

Any ideas?