If I had a dollar...

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Jupiter said:
If you have problems with new computers, that is almost certainly not
a Vista issue.
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Never is a Microsoft problem according to the MickeyMouse Fanbois.

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"Never is a Microsoft problem"
No one ever said that, that is entirely your own idea.

So if you go to a shop and order a computer with your favorite flavor
of Linux and it immediately locks up regularly, it must be a Linux
problem so there is no reason to bother the shop?

You should read the post again:
"I purchased a brand new, top of the line HP pavilion with Vista.
From day 1 it crashed."
That does not sound like a Windows issue, however you can continue to
ASSUME whatever you like regardless the facts.
I would not accept such regardless the operating system.
 
Another nix troll.
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Nope.

As it turns out, just another dissatisfied customer.

I assume that it's foolish to believe that by spending good hard earned-
money for above-average hardware from well-known large OEMS, that they are
expected to work properly from the get-go ?

Then, why not vent to a Vista 'discussion board' as offered thru the MS
'Communities' directly at the MS website........
 
Well, no more worries. I got rid of Vista and installed XP SP2 on my
top-of-the line HP (that had either software or hardware problems, no fault
of MS or Vista). Everything works great now!
 
Because the O/S does not work well with the "hardware" or "drivers" or
*CRAPWARE* that the OEM installs during the manufacturer of a computer does
NOT a bad operating system make!

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If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
Because the O/S does not work well with the "hardware" or "drivers" or
*CRAPWARE* that the OEM installs during the manufacturer of a computer
does NOT a bad operating system make!
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I agree completely.

But my point was not as to who is at fault. I don't want to get into that.

When you purchase comsumer goods, you have an expectation that it should
work perfectly, fresh out-of-the box. Agree ?

Just because someone is hating Vista doesn't automatically make them
another '*nix troll'.
 
In a perfect world, I would expect a new computer to work flawlessly.
Unfortunately, due to various stimuli - they don't. The first 24 hours of
use by a new owner can trash a system. Then he comes here, or calls the
manufacturer, and says "it never worked right from the beginning". Why?
Because he is trying to load everything that he had on his old operating
system without doing any research.

Should he have to do research? No, I don't believe he should have to. If
something is not compatible the O/S should just refuse to load that
program/driver - period! And the O/S should tell the operator *WHY* it won't
load.

Sure, the owner would be pissed, but at least he wouldn't trash his computer
as a result of the incompatible program/driver. It is much easier to explain
to a person that his program xxxxx will not work with Vista than it is to
try to figure out how to solve for the problems that program xxxxx created.

The Vista installer should pick up on the same items. If the owner did not
remove what is necessary to allow a competent install, the install should
halt - and present a precise error message that is understandable by a 70
year old grandmother. Enough of these cryptic error messages already!

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Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
Should he have to do research? No, I don't believe he should have to. If
something is not compatible the O/S should just refuse to load that
program/driver - period! And the O/S should tell the operator *WHY* it
won't load.

Sure, the owner would be pissed, but at least he wouldn't trash his
computer as a result of the incompatible program/driver. It is much easier
to explain to a person that his program xxxxx will not work with Vista
than it is to try to figure out how to solve for the problems that program
xxxxx created.

The Vista installer should pick up on the same items. If the owner did not
remove what is necessary to allow a competent install, the install should
halt - and present a precise error message that is understandable by a 70
year old grandmother. Enough of these cryptic error messages already!
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Amen!!
 
I still suggest you contact the OEM so they can make it right.
If at a later time you decide you want Vista and there is a hardware
problem with vista, you may have no recourse especially if the
warranty is over.
 
I still suggest you contact the OEM so they can make it right.
If at a later time you decide you want Vista and there is a hardware
problem with vista, you may have no recourse especially if the
warranty is over.
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Actually by changing the installed OS, he has already probably voided
his warranty.
 
He hasn't voided his warranty. But the obligation of the warranty is to
bring the computer back to working condition at the original specs, which
include the original O/S. If he wants to use a different O/S he is on his
own. They will not assist - usually.

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Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

in message
 
Actually by changing the installed OS, he has already probably voided
his warranty.
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Maybe not, warranty can be bound to hardware only. Dell usually asks (not
sure if for every case) to remove HDD before sending systems back, so it may
not care what's in the HDD.

Honestly, the last time I had a good read on warranty was many years ago, so
I don't remember well. But I am glad that I don't have to read :)
 
If I had a dollar for every time Windows Vista crashed on me, I would have
enough money to buy a mac.

Good job MS... worst OS release ever. And it won't even let me reinstall XP
over it.
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WOW that is a bunch given how Apple rapes people for their hardware.
 
oiffer said:
If I had a dollar for every time Windows Vista crashed on me, I would have
enough money to buy a mac.

Good job MS... worst OS release ever. And it won't even let me reinstall XP
over it.
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Do you have any specific problem(s) that you need help with, or are
you just venting?

It clearly sounds like an issue of
ncompatible/sub-standard/defective hardware, or device drivers, or
defective/sub-standard wetware.


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oiffer said:
If I had a dollar for every time Windows Vista crashed on me, I would have
enough money to buy a mac.
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And if I had a nickel for every time some clod blamed the OS for his
own inadequacies, I'd be vacationing in the Bahamas every winter.


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Richard said:
Another nix troll.
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I doubt it, Richard. If he can't make Vista work, he hasn't a chance
of even spelling "Linux," much less successfully installing,
configuring, and using it.


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