What is your estimate of how many times a virus checker found and blocked
a virus on your system in the last few years?
Be truthful. Then, ask yourself 'why did I get that virus'. (if any).
Ken Blake said:It's more than an estimate. I can tell you exactly. It was once, about 10-12
years ago. A virus on a diskette that a friend gave me was found.
Like you, I am very careful, and I could get away without having an
anti-virus the great majority of the time. But unlike you, I don't think I'm
perfect and I want to have a software protecting me as well.
Unknown said:One of the reasons I backup.
Unknown said:Has never ever happened. I don't have that kind of fear.
Tom [Pepper] Willett said:Sigh.
"Software is considered malware based on the perceived intent of the
creator
rather than any particular features. Malware includes computer viruses,
worms, trojan horses, most rootkits, spyware, dishonest adware, crimeware
and other malicious and unwanted software"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
: You should change your ID to clueless. We're talking about viruses not
: malware.
: : > Lol...Today's malware is designed to work without you even knowing it.
: > Your computer can operate flawlessly while sending out spam or worms
or
: > your keystrokes... Purveyors of malware love to meet up with the likes
of
: > you. You should change your posting name from Unknown to Clueless.
: > ---
: > Leonard Grey
: > Errare Humanum Est
: >
: > Security Tips for Everyone, from PC Magazine
: > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2334856,00.asp
: >
: > Unknown wrote:
: >> I have to ask then; what difference does it make? If the computer
: >> functions, no problems, everything works how can you have a virus? If
the
: >> machines you work on function how do you know they're infected?
: >> : >>> : >>>> Has never ever happened. I don't have that kind of fear.
: >>> LOL
: >>>
: >>> with no virus checker you could have an infected backup and not even
: >>> know
: >>> it.
: >>>
: >>> I work on machines all the time that are infected, yet still
: >>> "function"...
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>> : >>>>> : >>>>>> One of the reasons I backup.
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>> And without a virus checker...
: >>>>> the backup could be infected!
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>>> : >>>>>>> : >>>>>>>> You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Seat belts and
virus
: >>>>>>>> checkers are far apart.
: >>>>>>>> First off, how do you get a virus? I am not playing with fire.
I
: >>>>>>>> backup
: >>>>>>>> my system. I never had to restore from my backup.
: >>>>>>>> There is also system restore and the firewall.
: >>>>>>>> Why don't you back up your system, delete all virus programs
and
: >>>>>>>> see
: >>>>> how
: >>>>>>>> good your system runs.
: >>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> Not so! I haven't ever installed a virus checker. Haven't
ever
: >>> had
: >>>>>>>>>> a
: >>>>>>>>>> virus.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> That's like saying thaht you drive your car without wearing a
: >>>>> seatbelt.
: >>>>>>>>> and you haven't ever been hurt in an accident.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> You've been playing with fire, and you've been lucky.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> AND, I might add, I never have had a problem
: >>>>>>>>>> installing, updating, searching etc.etc.
: >>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>> Backup is the insurance. Virus checker is just a trouble
maker.
: >>>>>>>>>>> Still need a virus checker
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>> I'd hate to have an infected backup
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>> No matter how cautious one is...surprises can happen
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common sense negates the need for a virus checker.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Though the most important tool is common sense...
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> a virus checker is good insurance
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "sandypeter111" <[email protected]>
wrote
: >>> in
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all! let me know about important system security
: >>>>> feature
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
: >>>>>>>>>>> xp.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xp has no "important" security features.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best security feature is common sense
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a good virus checker.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> Windows System restore is useless in the event of a virus
infection,
: >>> as
: >>>>> is
: >>>>>>> the firewall..
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP
: >>>>>>> How to construct a good post..
: >>>>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
: >>>>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
: >>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
: >>>>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..
: >>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>
: >>>
: >>
:
Unknown said:I have to ask then; what difference does it make? If the computer functions,
no problems, everything works how can you have a virus? If the machines you
work on function how do you know they're infected?
Unknown said:You should change your ID to clueless. We're talking about viruses not
malware.
I consider them two separate items. At any rate in my posts I mean viruses
and not things such as spyware..
Tom [Pepper] Willett said:Sigh.
"Software is considered malware based on the perceived intent of the
creator
rather than any particular features. Malware includes computer viruses,
worms, trojan horses, most rootkits, spyware, dishonest adware, crimeware
and other malicious and unwanted software"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
: You should change your ID to clueless. We're talking about viruses not
: malware.
: : > Lol...Today's malware is designed to work without you even knowing it.
: > Your computer can operate flawlessly while sending out spam or worms
or
: > your keystrokes... Purveyors of malware love to meet up with the likes
of
: > you. You should change your posting name from Unknown to Clueless.
: > ---
: > Leonard Grey
: > Errare Humanum Est
: >
: > Security Tips for Everyone, from PC Magazine
: > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2334856,00.asp
: >
: > Unknown wrote:
: >> I have to ask then; what difference does it make? If the computer
: >> functions, no problems, everything works how can you have a virus? If
the
: >> machines you work on function how do you know they're infected?
: >> : >>> : >>>> Has never ever happened. I don't have that kind of fear.
: >>> LOL
: >>>
: >>> with no virus checker you could have an infected backup and not even
: >>> know
: >>> it.
: >>>
: >>> I work on machines all the time that are infected, yet still
: >>> "function"...
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>> : >>>>> : >>>>>> One of the reasons I backup.
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>> And without a virus checker...
: >>>>> the backup could be infected!
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>>> : >>>>>>> : >>>>>>>> You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Seat belts and
virus
: >>>>>>>> checkers are far apart.
: >>>>>>>> First off, how do you get a virus? I am not playing with fire.
I
: >>>>>>>> backup
: >>>>>>>> my system. I never had to restore from my backup.
: >>>>>>>> There is also system restore and the firewall.
: >>>>>>>> Why don't you back up your system, delete all virus programs
and
: >>>>>>>> see
: >>>>> how
: >>>>>>>> good your system runs.
: >>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> Not so! I haven't ever installed a virus checker. Haven't
ever
: >>> had
: >>>>>>>>>> a
: >>>>>>>>>> virus.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> That's like saying thaht you drive your car without wearing a
: >>>>> seatbelt.
: >>>>>>>>> and you haven't ever been hurt in an accident.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> You've been playing with fire, and you've been lucky.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> AND, I might add, I never have had a problem
: >>>>>>>>>> installing, updating, searching etc.etc.
: >>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>> Backup is the insurance. Virus checker is just a trouble
maker.
: >>>>>>>>>>> Still need a virus checker
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>> I'd hate to have an infected backup
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>> No matter how cautious one is...surprises can happen
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common sense negates the need for a virus checker.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Though the most important tool is common sense...
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> a virus checker is good insurance
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "sandypeter111" <[email protected]>
wrote
: >>> in
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all! let me know about important system security
: >>>>> feature
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
: >>>>>>>>>>> xp.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xp has no "important" security features.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best security feature is common sense
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a good virus checker.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> Windows System restore is useless in the event of a virus
infection,
: >>> as
: >>>>> is
: >>>>>>> the firewall..
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP
: >>>>>>> How to construct a good post..
: >>>>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
: >>>>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
: >>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
: >>>>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..
: >>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>
: >>>
: >>
:
Leonard Grey said:Few malware infestations are viral these days. (No money in it.) The
action is in trojans (often protected by a rootkit), adware and spyware.
Malvertising and bots are popular vectors. To boast about not being hit
with a virus is like boasting that you haven't been hit by a meteor.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare Humanum Est
Security Tips for Everyone, from PC Magazine
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2334856,00.asp
I consider them two separate items. At any rate in my posts I mean
viruses and not things such as spyware..
Tom [Pepper] Willett said:Sigh.
"Software is considered malware based on the perceived intent of the
creator
rather than any particular features. Malware includes computer viruses,
worms, trojan horses, most rootkits, spyware, dishonest adware,
crimeware
and other malicious and unwanted software"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
: You should change your ID to clueless. We're talking about viruses not
: malware.
: : > Lol...Today's malware is designed to work without you even knowing
it.
: > Your computer can operate flawlessly while sending out spam or worms
or
: > your keystrokes... Purveyors of malware love to meet up with the
likes
of
: > you. You should change your posting name from Unknown to Clueless.
: > ---
: > Leonard Grey
: > Errare Humanum Est
: >
: > Security Tips for Everyone, from PC Magazine
: > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2334856,00.asp
: >
: > Unknown wrote:
: >> I have to ask then; what difference does it make? If the computer
: >> functions, no problems, everything works how can you have a virus?
If
the
: >> machines you work on function how do you know they're infected?
: >> : >>> : >>>> Has never ever happened. I don't have that kind of fear.
: >>> LOL
: >>>
: >>> with no virus checker you could have an infected backup and not
even
: >>> know
: >>> it.
: >>>
: >>> I work on machines all the time that are infected, yet still
: >>> "function"...
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>> : >>>>> : >>>>>> One of the reasons I backup.
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>> And without a virus checker...
: >>>>> the backup could be infected!
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>>> : >>>>>>> : >>>>>>>> You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Seat belts and
virus
: >>>>>>>> checkers are far apart.
: >>>>>>>> First off, how do you get a virus? I am not playing with
fire. I
: >>>>>>>> backup
: >>>>>>>> my system. I never had to restore from my backup.
: >>>>>>>> There is also system restore and the firewall.
: >>>>>>>> Why don't you back up your system, delete all virus programs
and
: >>>>>>>> see
: >>>>> how
: >>>>>>>> good your system runs.
message
: >>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> Not so! I haven't ever installed a virus checker. Haven't
ever
: >>> had
: >>>>>>>>>> a
: >>>>>>>>>> virus.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> That's like saying thaht you drive your car without wearing
a
: >>>>> seatbelt.
: >>>>>>>>> and you haven't ever been hurt in an accident.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> You've been playing with fire, and you've been lucky.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> AND, I might add, I never have had a problem
: >>>>>>>>>> installing, updating, searching etc.etc.
: >>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>> Backup is the insurance. Virus checker is just a trouble
maker.
: >>>>>>>>>>> Still need a virus checker
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>> I'd hate to have an infected backup
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>> No matter how cautious one is...surprises can happen
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common sense negates the need for a virus checker.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Though the most important tool is common sense...
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> a virus checker is good insurance
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "sandypeter111" <[email protected]>
wrote
: >>> in
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all! let me know about important system
security
: >>>>> feature
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
: >>>>>>>>>>> xp.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xp has no "important" security features.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best security feature is common sense
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a good virus checker.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> Windows System restore is useless in the event of a virus
infection,
: >>> as
: >>>>> is
: >>>>>>> the firewall..
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP
: >>>>>>> How to construct a good post..
: >>>>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
: >>>>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
: >>>>>>>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
: >>>>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..
: >>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>
: >>>
: >>
:
Snidley W. said:You should change your ID to "unknowing". Malware is an
all-encompassing term these days.
Unknown said:Perhaps in your circle-----not in mine.
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