I might bite bullet on SP2..but!

[Sharkman]

I wasnt going to install the beta.. I was curious about the proposed
release..

 

[Sharkman]

thanks... appreciate the info...

understand that sp2 has something similar to these apps. Is it easy to
select what functions I want to add to my system when I install sp2?
Anybody here know?

Sharkman:

The installation basically installs all items.
I have seen it be somewhat selective re: the Windows Firewall
settings that it enables.
It is easy to disable most items.

I have run ZA free and BID in SP2 RC1 w/o problems.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

Sorry, but that's not correct. SP2 does not add any capability to
monitor or control outbound traffic to WinXP's built-in firewall. It
does slightly increase the configurability of the firewall, but it's
still no match for any 3rd party firewall applications.

Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:




You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

You can test your firewall at:

Symantec Security Check
http://security.symantec.com/ssc/vr_main.asp?langid=ie&venid=sym&plfid=23&pkj=GPVHGBYNCJEIMXQKCDT

Security Scan - Sygate Online Services
http://www.sygatetech.com/

There is another firewall scanner/tester at
https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2, but it's not as thorough as the
first two; it doesn't even scan one of the ports used by the messenger
service spam.

Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:




You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH

 

[wojo]

It does a lot more than slightly increase the configurability of the
firewall it greatly increases it. But your right it's still no match for 3rd
party apps. i am using it plus my router firewall just for kicks. I am not
crazy about my router FW because it's configuraton settings are done online.

--

TO Email: Remove "SPAM" without the quotes
If I can help you I will.
If you can help me thanks.

Useful Links

AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

Spybot S & D:
www.safer-networking.org/

Check for Parasites/Worms:
www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html

Blaster Security Patch:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp

TweakUI and other PowerToys:
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

 

[S.Heenan]

It's
still very much a beta. The firewall does add outgoing protection
this time around.

S:

What have you experienced re: outgoing protection in SP2 beta?
In have not seen any outgoing protection in either build 2055 or 2096
(RC1).

Launching Windows Messenger created a popup window asking for permission to
access the network. Other MS apps may have prompted. I can't quite recall as
I reinstalled the OS short order.

 

[wojo]

I had to give permissions two or three times to the XP SP2 Firewall so yes
outgoing is supported.

--
TO Email: Remove "SPAM" without the quotes
If I can help you I will.
If you can help me thanks.

Useful Links

AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

Spybot S & D:
www.safer-networking.org/

Check for Parasites/Worms:
www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html

Blaster Security Patch:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp

TweakUI and other PowerToys:
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

 

[S.Heenan]

I had to give permissions two or three times to the XP SP2 Firewall
so yes outgoing is supported.

I'm glad it wasn't just me who saw that.


Here's a little more about the improved ICF:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0204.mspx

 

[wojo]

Well since it seems most people, for some reason or another, weren't able to
successfully install SP2 RC1 on their boxes I suppose not too many people
have seen the outgoing support of the firewall.

--
TO Email: Remove "SPAM" without the quotes
If I can help you I will.
If you can help me thanks.

Useful Links

AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

Spybot S & D:
www.safer-networking.org/

Check for Parasites/Worms:
www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html

Blaster Security Patch:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp

TweakUI and other PowerToys:
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

 

[CZ]

I had to give permissions two or three times to the XP SP2 Firewall so
yes
outgoing is supported.

AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

wojo:

Specifically, do you have to grant permission for AdAware v6 to access the
Internet for updates?
Are there any programs for which you do not have to grant permission?

On my SP2 RC1, the answer is no.

I have seen popups to install ActiveX controls via a web site, but never to
control outbound connections for the following:
MSIE
Outlook Express
AdAware v6
NIS 2003
AVG v6
MS Word
MBSA

TIA

 

[CZ]

Re: does Win XP SP2 do outbound firewall control

wojo:

Following notes are from a Word file I dnloaded (no URL):
Expanded file name: WinXPSP2_Documentation.doc

Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2

February 20, 2004
Starr Andersen, Technical Writer, Microsoft Corporation
Vincent Abella, Technical Editor, Microsoft Corporation
This preliminary document applies to the beta release of for Microsoft®
Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) for the 32-bit versions of Windows XP
Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. It does not describe all of the
changes that will be included in the final release of the service pack.

Windows Firewall will automatically allow all outbound connections,
regardless of the program and the user context

For typical consumer and office computers, the computer is a client on the
network. Software on the computer connects out to a server (an outbound
connection) and gets responses back from the server. Windows Firewall allows
all outbound connections, but applies rules to the types of communication
that are allowed back into the computer. For more information about what
network traffic Windows Firewall allows as part of Transmission Control
Protocol (TCP) and User Data Protocol (UDP) outbound connections, see Notes,
below

 

[CZ]

wojo:

Previous post should read:
wojo:

Specifically, do you have to grant permission for AdAware v6 to access the
Internet for updates?
On my SP2 RC1, the answer is no.

Are there any programs for which you do not have to grant permission?
I have seen popups to install ActiveX controls via a web site, but never to
control outbound connections for the following:
MSIE
Outlook Express
AdAware v6
NIS 2003
AVG v6
MS Word
MBSA

TIA

 

[wojo]

Are you having software problems? Neither of the posts listed in your posts
as coming from me are mine.

--
If I can help you I will.
If you can help me thanks.
(e-mail address removed)
TO Email: Remove "SPAM" without the quotes

Useful Links
AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
Spybot S & D:
www.safer-networking.org/
Check for Parasites/Worms:
www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html
Blaster Security Patch:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp
TweakUI and other PowerToys:
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

 

[CZ]

Are you having software problems? Neither of the posts listed in your
posts
as coming from me are mine.

wojo:

Follow is not from you?

From: "wojo" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
References: <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<swW7c.890936$X%5.267715@pd7tw2no> <[email protected]>
<jA88c.140557$Up2.132925@pd7tw1no>
Subject: Re: I might bite bullet on SP2..but!

I had to give permissions two or three times to the XP SP2 Firewall so yes
outgoing is supported.

--
TO Email: Remove "SPAM" without the quotes
If I can help you I will.
If you can help me thanks.

Useful Links

AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

Spybot S & D:
www.safer-networking.org/

Check for Parasites/Worms:
www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html

Blaster Security Patch:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp

TweakUI and other PowerToys:
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

 

[wojo]

Yeah that ones mine

I justrealized I thought I was reading posts you were saying were FROM me
but actually they were meant to be FOR me.
Too much caffeine
lol

--
If I can help you I will.
If you can help me thanks.
(e-mail address removed)
TO Email: Remove "SPAM" without the quotes

Useful Links
AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
Spybot S & D:
www.safer-networking.org/
Check for Parasites/Worms:
www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html
Blaster Security Patch:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp
TweakUI and other PowerToys:
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

 

[wojo]

It asked me for permission for Mcafee AV, for MSN Messenger, and for my SMC
Router firewall.
OE was apparently automatically configured, it didn't ask permission for it.

--
If I can help you I will.
If you can help me thanks.
(e-mail address removed)
TO Email: Remove "SPAM" without the quotes

Useful Links
AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
Spybot S & D:
www.safer-networking.org/
Check for Parasites/Worms:
www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html
Blaster Security Patch:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp
TweakUI and other PowerToys:
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

 

[wojo]

I don't understand why that says it automatically allows all outgoing when
that clearly wasn't the case on my computer. It also doesn't have any
outgoing options when you open the firewall settings.
This doesn't make much sense since the firewall program opened and asked if
I wanted to grant outgoing permission on 3 different occasions. I need to do
further research on the subject I think so I can find out what the deal is.

--
If I can help you I will.
If you can help me thanks.
(e-mail address removed)
TO Email: Remove "SPAM" without the quotes

Useful Links
AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
Spybot S & D:
www.safer-networking.org/
Check for Parasites/Worms:
www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html
Blaster Security Patch:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp
TweakUI and other PowerToys:
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

 

[CZ]

It asked me for permission for Mcafee AV, for MSN Messenger, and for myRouter firewall.
OE was apparently automatically configured, it didn't ask permission for it.

wojo:

Thanks for the info.

URL for the article that I quoted from earlier:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/winxpsp2.mspx

From the article:
Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2

February 20, 2004
Starr Andersen, Technical Writer, Microsoft Corporation
Vincent Abella, Technical Editor, Microsoft Corporation
This preliminary document applies to the beta release of for Microsoft®
Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) for the 32-bit versions of Windows XP
Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. It does not describe all of the
changes that will be included in the final release of the service pack.

Windows Firewall will automatically allow all outbound connections,
regardless of the program and the user context

For typical consumer and office computers, the computer is a client on the
network. Software on the computer connects out to a server (an outbound
connection) and gets responses back from the server. Windows Firewall allows
all outbound connections, but applies rules to the types of communication
that are allowed back into the computer. For more information about what
network traffic Windows Firewall allows as part of Transmission Control
Protocol (TCP) and User Data Protocol (UDP) outbound connections, see Notes,
below

 

[wojo]

I aid I was gong to look into it further and I did.
It appears that myself and, presumably, S. Heenan didn't actually read the
firewall pop-up closely enough. I discovered this when I tried to run MS
Frontpage. The message poped up again and I read it a little closer. It is
asking permission for the program to accept INCOMING transmissions so it had
nothing at all to do with outgoing protection.
That's a bummer but at least I got to the bottom of it.

--
If I can help you I will.
If you can help me thanks.
(e-mail address removed)
TO Email: Remove "SPAM" without the quotes

Useful Links
AdAware:
www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
Spybot S & D:
www.safer-networking.org/
Check for Parasites/Worms:
www.gemal.dk/browserspy/parasites.html
Blaster Security Patch:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp
TweakUI and other PowerToys:
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

 

[S.Heenan]

I aid I was gong to look into it further and I did.
It appears that myself and, presumably, S. Heenan didn't actually
read the firewall pop-up closely enough. I discovered this when I
tried to run MS Frontpage. The message poped up again and I read it a
little closer. It is asking permission for the program to accept
INCOMING transmissions so it had nothing at all to do with outgoing
protection.
That's a bummer but at least I got to the bottom of it.

Loks lik eye can't reed

Maybe I'll give SP2 RC1 another crack later this week.