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J.Clarke
You're using "profile" differently from the rest of us.
Now, have you actually tried to start a program with no user logged in
by using the default profile? If so, what program and how do you know
that it ran?
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You're using "profile" differently from the rest of us.
Now, have you actually tried to start a program with no user logged in
by using the default profile? If so, what program and how do you know
that it ran?
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wdsnews
Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an
No. You're wrong. You can turn on a PC and let it sit. The logon dialogue
will continue to stay on the screen until you logon, or the screen saver or
the stand-by mode takes effect. If you choose not to logon, then nobody is
logged on and the default profile is in effect.
Frankly, it does nobody any good for you to make accusations, assumptions,
and bad suggestions while ignoring the original issue. You've been wrong
from your very first message, and you're still wrong. You're attitude is
insulting and completely unacceptable.
If you were even a little bit correct in your assumptions or your replies
then your arrogance could be understood. But you're so amazingly off-base,
that you make a fool of yourself.
I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems.
You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing
neither of us any good at this point in time. In other words, quit wasting
my time.
auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this
thread. This is still logging on with some user name...
No. You're wrong. You can turn on a PC and let it sit. The logon dialogue
will continue to stay on the screen until you logon, or the screen saver or
the stand-by mode takes effect. If you choose not to logon, then nobody is
logged on and the default profile is in effect.
Frankly, it does nobody any good for you to make accusations, assumptions,
and bad suggestions while ignoring the original issue. You've been wrong
from your very first message, and you're still wrong. You're attitude is
insulting and completely unacceptable.
If you were even a little bit correct in your assumptions or your replies
then your arrogance could be understood. But you're so amazingly off-base,
that you make a fool of yourself.
I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems.
You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing
neither of us any good at this point in time. In other words, quit wasting
my time.
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wdsnews
Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks
done
You're wrong about that too. Any program set to auto-start in the default
profile will run when nobody is logged on. Your anti-virus program and any
program you want runs that way.
Read some of these:
http://www.google.com/search?q=copy...s+XP&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N
You know, if you were simply wrong I could accept it. If you simply ignored
my original question, I could accept it. If you were simply arrogant, I
could ignore it. But you're all those things and...
....you belittle me, attack my character, and chastise me.
Frankly, arrogance and ignorance is a dangerous combination. It causes
people to send messages like yours.
done
with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no
access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone.
You're wrong about that too. Any program set to auto-start in the default
profile will run when nobody is logged on. Your anti-virus program and any
program you want runs that way.
Read some of these:
http://www.google.com/search?q=copy...s+XP&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N
You know, if you were simply wrong I could accept it. If you simply ignored
my original question, I could accept it. If you were simply arrogant, I
could ignore it. But you're all those things and...
....you belittle me, attack my character, and chastise me.
Frankly, arrogance and ignorance is a dangerous combination. It causes
people to send messages like yours.
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wdsnews
I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating
systems. You
Did you catch that? I used those words or yours against you. Isn't that
funny how your words apply more to your ignorance of default profiles than
they do to me? It's called hypocrisy.
Get it? You're not only arrogant and ignorant, but you're a hypocrite too!
Isn't that funny?
systems. You
obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither
of us any good at this point in time.
Did you catch that? I used those words or yours against you. Isn't that
funny how your words apply more to your ignorance of default profiles than
they do to me? It's called hypocrisy.
Get it? You're not only arrogant and ignorant, but you're a hypocrite too!
Isn't that funny?
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JAD
Take it to the alley the thread has reached an all time low
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wdsnews
Yes, you can.
Then we agree. It's possible to turn on PC and let it sit.
J., you're wrong. A screen saver is in effect and that info comes from a
profile... the "Default" profile. In fact, all the local user policies are
in effect, and all of them come from the Default profile.
Then we agree. It's possible to turn on PC and let it sit.
Nope. Nobody is logged on and _no_ profile is in effect.
J., you're wrong. A screen saver is in effect and that info comes from a
profile... the "Default" profile. In fact, all the local user policies are
in effect, and all of them come from the Default profile.
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wdsnews
You're so funny. It's not up to me to prove a negative. Since Tim made all
the assertions, the proof is up to him. You could click any one of the
links from my Google search and learn about copying ntuser.dat to the
default profile. But since you and Tim don't know anything about that, it's
quite funny that you're calling me ignorant.
The truth is Tim is wrong from his first message. You are not "required" to
logon.
Most off all, he's the one who is ignorant to start name-calling over such a
silly issue.
the assertions, the proof is up to him. You could click any one of the
links from my Google search and learn about copying ntuser.dat to the
default profile. But since you and Tim don't know anything about that, it's
quite funny that you're calling me ignorant.
The truth is Tim is wrong from his first message. You are not "required" to
logon.
Most off all, he's the one who is ignorant to start name-calling over such a
silly issue.
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wdsnews
Oh JAD, you're so funny. Your perspective on the "all time low" makes me
laugh.
Let me remind you about my first four messages that I continued to send even
after Tim began making his accusations and insults.
I said:
Thanks for your advice.
--
Thanks for your attention.
--
I appreciate your help
--
I appreciate your suggestion
But after Tim continued with his insults, all the while ignoring my original
question, it became clear what kind of an arrogant, ignorant, hypocrite I
was dealing with.
It seems people like him defend each other.
laugh.
Let me remind you about my first four messages that I continued to send even
after Tim began making his accusations and insults.
I said:
Thanks for your advice.
--
Thanks for your attention.
--
I appreciate your help
--
I appreciate your suggestion
But after Tim continued with his insults, all the while ignoring my original
question, it became clear what kind of an arrogant, ignorant, hypocrite I
was dealing with.
It seems people like him defend each other.
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wdsnews
Thank you. That is a good question. I appreciate productive conversations.
You'll see I gave very clear instructions in another part of this thread.
But to answer your question here, you can tell the virus scanner is running
by its log entries. You can power up & shut down without ever having logged
on.
If so, what program and how do you know
that it ran?
You'll see I gave very clear instructions in another part of this thread.
But to answer your question here, you can tell the virus scanner is running
by its log entries. You can power up & shut down without ever having logged
on.
J.Clarke said:Then we agree. It's possible to turn on PC and let it sit.
J., you're wrong. A screen saver is in effect and that info comes
from a profile... the "Default" profile. In fact, all the local user
policies are in effect, and all of them come from the Default profile.
You're using "profile" differently from the rest of us.
Now, have you actually tried to start a program with no user logged in
by using the default profile? If so, what program and how do you know
that it ran?
A
Andre C
Personally this is potentially a very interesting thread as a valuable
question is being asked. Okay so there is some disagreement about
default profiles and running programms outside the login process, but
it does not need a flaming war.
My question is that you refer to ntuser.dat for XP. I cannot find
such a file on my xp set-up. Where is it?
ACC
question is being asked. Okay so there is some disagreement about
default profiles and running programms outside the login process, but
it does not need a flaming war.
My question is that you refer to ntuser.dat for XP. I cannot find
such a file on my xp set-up. Where is it?
ACC
A
Andre C
Forget that i found it!!!
ACC
ACC
A
Andre C
I am wondering if you need "loopback" within the group policy setting
of the microsoft MMC? Reading the help file on this sounds hopeful
Alternatively can ATI MMC is run via a startup script?
I really don't know much about this type of thing.
of the microsoft MMC? Reading the help file on this sounds hopeful
Alternatively can ATI MMC is run via a startup script?
I really don't know much about this type of thing.
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Wayne
Personally this is potentially a very interesting thread ...
We agree. This is potentially very valuable. As my ATI customer number is
three digits, you can know I have much experience with ATI. I've spent a
good deal of time on the phone with ATI on this specific issue. I'll share
it here when I get a solution.
Please tell Tim and J. how you feel about their attacks. I don't know how
my simple "thank you"s and "I appreciation"s could draw such an attack. It
reminds me of the kind of shameful attack you could expect in a Corel forum.
The Corel folks pretty much alienated their entire support community with
stuff like that, and their market share shows it. It makes me wonder what
ATI and Corel have in common.
BTW, you probably discovered you need to copy ntuser.dat from a different
user profile then you are currently logged on as to copy it to the default
user profile. Or to say it another way, get a profile set up as you want,
and then log on as someone else.
it does not need a flaming war.
We agree. This is potentially very valuable. As my ATI customer number is
three digits, you can know I have much experience with ATI. I've spent a
good deal of time on the phone with ATI on this specific issue. I'll share
it here when I get a solution.
Please tell Tim and J. how you feel about their attacks. I don't know how
my simple "thank you"s and "I appreciation"s could draw such an attack. It
reminds me of the kind of shameful attack you could expect in a Corel forum.
The Corel folks pretty much alienated their entire support community with
stuff like that, and their market share shows it. It makes me wonder what
ATI and Corel have in common.
BTW, you probably discovered you need to copy ntuser.dat from a different
user profile then you are currently logged on as to copy it to the default
user profile. Or to say it another way, get a profile set up as you want,
and then log on as someone else.
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Wayne
That's a good question. Unfortunately, Mircrosoft named their MMC thing the
same as ATI named their MMC thing. Beware, they're two different things.
You can learn much by searching "ATIMMC" in the registry, file system, and
Google.
same as ATI named their MMC thing. Beware, they're two different things.
You can learn much by searching "ATIMMC" in the registry, file system, and
Google.
T
Tim
No. You're wrong. You can turn on a PC and let it sit. The logon dialogue
But you ignored my message regarding NO PROGRAMS CAN BE INITIATED by anyone,
unless it is a system process which is done automatically. The "Default" is
utterly useless because it CANNOT be "used" in the same manor as if you were
logged on. Once you log on, the system assigns that user specific rights. The
"Default" user has NO rights. It cannot access network drives, it cannot do
anything. Sure, it holds the desktop settings (such as if you have the GUI Logon
interface disabled, you can specify a background behind the login "Ctrl-alt-del
to login" screen, as well as the active screen saver. Hardly anything else is
used at all because you can start no programs at this time to actually use those
settings.
No, you have been wrong. Where are you getting your information from regarding
how WinNT/XP/2k work?? I, for one, have spent a little over $15,000 to take
classes just affirming the knowledge for which I already possess. Can YOU say
you have worked with NT-based systems for 10 years? Well, I can.
Well, as I read on ahead of some of the posts.... I see you have just made
yourself out to be the fool.
Finally, you understood something.
will continue to stay on the screen until you logon, or the screen saver or
the stand-by mode takes effect. If you choose not to logon, then nobody is
logged on and the default profile is in effect.
But you ignored my message regarding NO PROGRAMS CAN BE INITIATED by anyone,
unless it is a system process which is done automatically. The "Default" is
utterly useless because it CANNOT be "used" in the same manor as if you were
logged on. Once you log on, the system assigns that user specific rights. The
"Default" user has NO rights. It cannot access network drives, it cannot do
anything. Sure, it holds the desktop settings (such as if you have the GUI Logon
interface disabled, you can specify a background behind the login "Ctrl-alt-del
to login" screen, as well as the active screen saver. Hardly anything else is
used at all because you can start no programs at this time to actually use those
settings.
Frankly, it does nobody any good for you to make accusations, assumptions,
and bad suggestions while ignoring the original issue. You've been wrong
from your very first message, and you're still wrong. You're attitude is
insulting and completely unacceptable.
No, you have been wrong. Where are you getting your information from regarding
how WinNT/XP/2k work?? I, for one, have spent a little over $15,000 to take
classes just affirming the knowledge for which I already possess. Can YOU say
you have worked with NT-based systems for 10 years? Well, I can.
If you were even a little bit correct in your assumptions or your replies
then your arrogance could be understood. But you're so amazingly off-base,
that you make a fool of yourself.
Well, as I read on ahead of some of the posts.... I see you have just made
yourself out to be the fool.
I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems.
You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing
neither of us any good at this point in time. In other words, quit wasting
my time.
Finally, you understood something.
T
Tim
You'll see I gave very clear instructions in another part of this thread.
But to answer your question here, you can tell the virus scanner is running
by its log entries. You can power up & shut down without ever having logged
on.
But the question was and still is have YOU started a program using this default
profile, as you call it? The statement you just made doesn't answer that
question. Those are system services which don't need someone to be logged in to
run them. They are automatic SERVICES performed by the system. YOU did not push
a button and say "Run the antivirus right now" while you were at the login
screen.
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Tim
You're wrong about that too. Any program set to auto-start in the default
profile will run when nobody is logged on. Your anti-virus program and any
program you want runs that way.
Again, those are SYSTEM SERVICES. YOU Did not push a button while at the login
screen and tell it to run right then and there..... the system automatically
starts the services when told. Such as Norton Autoprotect. It sets up a system
task which does not require a user to be logged in to execute the scan. But you
yourself did not push a button right there and tell it to scan right then and
there....
You know, if you were simply wrong I could accept it. If you simply ignored
my original question, I could accept it. If you were simply arrogant, I
could ignore it. But you're all those things and...
...you belittle me, attack my character, and chastise me.
Frankly, arrogance and ignorance is a dangerous combination. It causes
people to send messages like yours.
I have done nothing but try to help you. As stated in another post by someone
else, your definition and use of the word "profile" is misleading, which has
probably caused lots of confusion among other readers/responders to your
original post. We can only go off of what you give us for information. It is
not our fault when the original poster doesn't have the knowledge regarding what
he/she is posting about. That is confusing and doesn't help anyone at all. I
have tried and tried to explain things, and yet it doesn't get through to you.
I have meant no disrespect, but when you apparently were not getting what facts
were being conveyed to you, that is no fault of mine and sure, I'll get
offensive and defend myself from YOUR accusations.
T
Tim
The truth is Tim is wrong from his first message. You are not "required" to
Yes you are required to login, if you want to do anything on the system OTHER
than watch the screen saver run. If you want it to just sit there and look
pretty while the screen saver starts, then your statement would be accurate. But
to run programs, access network shares, setup system tasks, administrate the
computer, etc....you MUST log in. That is what I have been trying to say, but
you choose to ignore it.
logon.
Yes you are required to login, if you want to do anything on the system OTHER
than watch the screen saver run. If you want it to just sit there and look
pretty while the screen saver starts, then your statement would be accurate. But
to run programs, access network shares, setup system tasks, administrate the
computer, etc....you MUST log in. That is what I have been trying to say, but
you choose to ignore it.
T
Tim
But after Tim continued with his insults, all the while ignoring my original
No, it was only after facts were being tossed at you right and left and you
chose to ignore them did I say what I did, as you say "stop wasting my time".
Only system services and scheduled events (Like using the AT command) can be run
without no one logged in.
So examples of how things auto-start, such as a scan for viruses... that is a
system task and is setup usually by the antivirus software. Like Norton
AntiVirus has an "auto-protect". Older versions of such software like McAfee
(I'm talking really old) wouldn't load the auto-protect until the "Startup"
folder in the start menu was processed. The system service for "Norton Antivirus
Autoprotect" is started up automatically, and so is run without anyone logging
on. But, again, this is a service, and you didn't push a button right there at
the login screen to have it started for you. The system did it automatically as
a service.
question, it became clear what kind of an arrogant, ignorant, hypocrite I
was dealing with.
No, it was only after facts were being tossed at you right and left and you
chose to ignore them did I say what I did, as you say "stop wasting my time".
Only system services and scheduled events (Like using the AT command) can be run
without no one logged in.
So examples of how things auto-start, such as a scan for viruses... that is a
system task and is setup usually by the antivirus software. Like Norton
AntiVirus has an "auto-protect". Older versions of such software like McAfee
(I'm talking really old) wouldn't load the auto-protect until the "Startup"
folder in the start menu was processed. The system service for "Norton Antivirus
Autoprotect" is started up automatically, and so is run without anyone logging
on. But, again, this is a service, and you didn't push a button right there at
the login screen to have it started for you. The system did it automatically as
a service.
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Wayne
Well hi Tim? Are you grown up now? But I see you're still ignoring my
original question and changing the subject again. I see you still haven't
admitted you were wrong. I see you still haven't apologized for attacking
me after I said nice things to you in at least five messages.
Well, little boy, the truth is you are NOT required to log on. I'm right
and you're wrong.
You're wrong because you won't admit it. You're wrong because you're
arrogant. You're wrong because you won't apologize.
neh.
original question and changing the subject again. I see you still haven't
admitted you were wrong. I see you still haven't apologized for attacking
me after I said nice things to you in at least five messages.
Well, little boy, the truth is you are NOT required to log on. I'm right
and you're wrong.
You're wrong because you won't admit it. You're wrong because you're
arrogant. You're wrong because you won't apologize.
neh.
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