How to also run Win98?

[Don Culp]

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98 on this
computer (preferably without having to either reformat the hard drive or
reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode but this won't work for
the application that I need to run under Win 98, which requires low level
hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

 

[John Barnett MVP]

You really need to reformat, install Win 98 on its own partition the create
another partition to install windows xp. It is a case of 'always' installing
the earliest version of windows first on a dual boot system.
However, ( i don't have the exact link to hand) visit www.dougknox.com and
take a look at his Win XP Tips. You are looking for 'installing windows 98
after windows xp' I haven't tried it myself, but apparently it can be done
with a little registry tweaking.

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98 on this
computer (preferably without having to either reformat the hard drive or
reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode but this won't work for
the application that I need to run under Win 98, which requires low level
hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

The exact method depends on the number of drives
you have (just C:, or C: and D, and what type they
are (NTFS, FAT32). Please supply details.

 

[ByTor]

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98 on this
computer (preferably without having to either reformat the hard drive or
reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode but this won't work for
the application that I need to run under Win 98, which requires low level
hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

Do you have PartitionMagic?

 

[Jim Hubbard]

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98 on this
computer (preferably without having to either reformat the hard drive or
reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode but this won't work
for
the application that I need to run under Win 98, which requires low level
hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

To run a Win98 workstation without reinstalling and to make removing it as
easy as deleting a folder....VMWare Workstation is what you need. -> try it
for 30 days free at http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws_features.html
I use it every day and I LOVE it!

Or the lesser capable Microsoft version at
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx , but you are
restricted to Microsoft only OS's and the feature set is not as robust as
VMWare.

Jim Hubbard

 

[R. McCarty]

If you have adequate space & memory - Windows Virtual PC may
be an option. It allows you to run fully installed OS'es within XP. I
use it and have 8-9 Virtual machines with everything from Windows
95 to 2000 & even an instance of the Penguin.
It's somewhat expensive ~$100.00, but allows you to run alternate
operating systems very cleanly. It's only downside is the current Ver.
does not support USB devices. You can download a trial version &
see if it would meet your needs. Microsoft has a dedicated NG for
VPC and the responders there are very helpful.
The 45-Day fully functional trial is found here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...d6-5098-4c64-9ca7-a30f225859f6&DisplayLang=en
By the way a machine with 512+ Megabytes can handle VPC's quite
well. Another good use for them is in testing software & beta releases.

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98 on
this
computer (preferably without having to either reformat the hard drive or
reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode but this won't work
for
the application that I need to run under Win 98, which requires low level
hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

Do you have PartitionMagic?

 

[Jim Hubbard]

Please be aware that if you are testing or building software for Penguin
habitats, Microsoft's Virtual PC is not tested by Microsoft for this purpose
and doing so may result in unexpected behavior (for examples of reported
problems with unsupported OSs go to - http://vpc.visualwin.com/index.aspx).

The officially supported operating systems (according to the Microsoft
Virtual PC page referenced above) are MS-DOS 6.22, Windows 95, Windows 98,
Windows Me, Windows 2000, Windows NT 4.01, Windows XP, OS/2 Warp 4 Fixpack
15, OS/2 Warp Convenience Pack 1, and OS/2 Warp Convenience Pack 2.

When you compare that to the supported operating systems in VMWare's
Workstation 5 (http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws_features.html)
which are Microsoft Server 2003, Windows XP, Windows 2000 Professional and
Server, Windows NT Workstation and Server 4.0, Windows Me, Windows 98,
Windows 95, Windows 3.1, MS-DOS 6, Windows Longhorn (experimental), Popular
Linux distributions from Red Hat, SUSE, Turbolinux, and Mandrake, FreeBSD,
Novell NetWare Server 6.5, 6.0, and 5.1, and Novell Linux Desktop 9, Sun
Java Desktop System 2, Sun Solaris 9 and 10 for the x86 platform
(experimental).

Jim Hubbard

If you have adequate space & memory - Windows Virtual PC may
be an option. It allows you to run fully installed OS'es within XP. I
use it and have 8-9 Virtual machines with everything from Windows
95 to 2000 & even an instance of the Penguin.
It's somewhat expensive ~$100.00, but allows you to run alternate
operating systems very cleanly. It's only downside is the current Ver.
does not support USB devices. You can download a trial version &
see if it would meet your needs. Microsoft has a dedicated NG for
VPC and the responders there are very helpful.
The 45-Day fully functional trial is found here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...d6-5098-4c64-9ca7-a30f225859f6&DisplayLang=en
By the way a machine with 512+ Megabytes can handle VPC's quite
well. Another good use for them is in testing software & beta releases.

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98 on
this
computer (preferably without having to either reformat the hard drive or
reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode but this won't work
for
the application that I need to run under Win 98, which requires low
level
hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

Do you have PartitionMagic?

 

[Stephen]

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98
on this computer (preferably without having to either reformat the
hard drive or reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode
but this won't work for the application that I need to run under Win
98, which requires low level hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

You have choices:

1Just re-do your computer setting up a dual-boot

2Use something like Partition Magic to resize exisiting partitions -
enabling you to keep your exisiting WinXP installation - all the while
making space for a new partition upon which you put Win98 [thereby setting
up a dual-boot]. You may have to use fixboot or some such to get both OSes
recognized at boot time.

3Use a virtual machine such as Microsoft's Virtual PC or some other similar
program to virtually run Win98 - go this way ONLY if your computer is a
really fast one with memory.

 

[John]

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98 on this
computer (preferably without having to either reformat the hard drive or
reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode but this won't work for
the application that I need to run under Win 98, which requires low level
hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

If C: is NTFS it will be difficult if not impossible. If C: is FAT32
then its possible but W98 should be in its own partition and XP will
need repaired. If C: is just a boot partition (XP is installed
elsewhere) and not NTFS it will be even easier but XP will still need
repaired.

John

 

[John]

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98
on this computer (preferably without having to either reformat the
hard drive or reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode
but this won't work for the application that I need to run under Win
98, which requires low level hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

You have choices:

1Just re-do your computer setting up a dual-boot

2Use something like Partition Magic to resize exisiting partitions -
enabling you to keep your exisiting WinXP installation - all the while
making space for a new partition upon which you put Win98 [thereby setting
up a dual-boot]. You may have to use fixboot or some such to get both OSes
recognized at boot time.

Yea but if XP is on C: and you insert a partition in front of XP then
XP will have a fatal problem. If you add one after XP there is no
guarantee W98's installer will be able to see it, especially if C: is
NTFS. In my experience W98's installer plays blind or suggests deleting
and reformatting if intervening partitions are NTFS, aka unreadable. Now
you can use Partition Magic (or many other programs) to change the
active partition before attempting an install but there still is no
golden answer here, it really depends on the ops setup, hardware and
expertise.

John

 

[Stephen]

Don Culp wrote:

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98
on this computer (preferably without having to either reformat the
hard drive or reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode
but this won't work for the application that I need to run under
Win 98, which requires low level hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp


You have choices:

1Just re-do your computer setting up a dual-boot

2Use something like Partition Magic to resize exisiting partitions -
enabling you to keep your exisiting WinXP installation - all the
while making space for a new partition upon which you put Win98
[thereby setting up a dual-boot]. You may have to use fixboot or
some such to get both OSes recognized at boot time.

Yea but if XP is on C: and you insert a partition in front of XP then
XP will have a fatal problem. If you add one after XP there is no
guarantee W98's installer will be able to see it, especially if C: is
NTFS. In my experience W98's installer plays blind or suggests
deleting and reformatting if intervening partitions are NTFS, aka
unreadable. Now you can use Partition Magic (or many other programs)
to change the active partition before attempting an install but
there still is no golden answer here, it really depends on the ops
setup, hardware and expertise.

John

Very true. I've heard Partition Magic is a bit dicey. The OP might just
decide on a dual-boot from scratch. There's the utilty call bootpart. With
it you can switch the active partition, do the install, then switch the
active partition back and use the utility to add the new installation to
NT's boot menu. I've never used it with Partition Magic though [and don't
really want to].

My post was really just to summarize the options the other repliers gave him
and not to make recommendations.

 

[John]

Stephen wrote:


Don Culp wrote:


I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98
on this computer (preferably without having to either reformat the
hard drive or reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode
but this won't work for the application that I need to run under
Win 98, which requires low level hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp


You have choices:

1Just re-do your computer setting up a dual-boot

2Use something like Partition Magic to resize exisiting partitions -
enabling you to keep your exisiting WinXP installation - all the
while making space for a new partition upon which you put Win98
[thereby setting up a dual-boot]. You may have to use fixboot or
some such to get both OSes recognized at boot time.



Yea but if XP is on C: and you insert a partition in front of XP then
XP will have a fatal problem. If you add one after XP there is no
guarantee W98's installer will be able to see it, especially if C: is
NTFS. In my experience W98's installer plays blind or suggests
deleting and reformatting if intervening partitions are NTFS, aka
unreadable. Now you can use Partition Magic (or many other programs)
to change the active partition before attempting an install but
there still is no golden answer here, it really depends on the ops
setup, hardware and expertise.

John

Very true. I've heard Partition Magic is a bit dicey. The OP might just
decide on a dual-boot from scratch. There's the utilty call bootpart. With
it you can switch the active partition, do the install, then switch the
active partition back and use the utility to add the new installation to
NT's boot menu. I've never used it with Partition Magic though [and don't
really want to].

My post was really just to summarize the options the other repliers gave him
and not to make recommendations.

Partition Magic works fine *if* you RTFM. Most functions of this sort
should not be done in XP.

Another thought, what if his/her bright shiny new comp only has a SATA
drive, what ya do then?

John

 

[John]

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98 on
this
computer (preferably without having to either reformat the hard drive or
reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode but this won't
work for
the application that I need to run under Win 98, which requires low level
hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

If C: is NTFS it will be difficult if not impossible. If C: is FAT32
then its possible but W98 should be in its own partition and XP will
need repaired. If C: is just a boot partition (XP is installed
elsewhere) and not NTFS it will be even easier but XP will still need
repaired.

John

Correction:

In the latter case it doesn't matter if C: is NTFS. As long as you don't
touch the MBR the files can be backed up, C: formatted, and the files
copied back.

John

 

[ByTor]

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98
on this computer (preferably without having to either reformat the
hard drive or reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode
but this won't work for the application that I need to run under Win
98, which requires low level hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp

You have choices:

1Just re-do your computer setting up a dual-boot

2Use something like Partition Magic to resize exisiting partitions -
enabling you to keep your exisiting WinXP installation - all the while
making space for a new partition upon which you put Win98 [thereby setting
up a dual-boot]. You may have to use fixboot or some such to get both OSes
recognized at boot time.

Yea but if XP is on C: and you insert a partition in front of XP then
XP will have a fatal problem. If you add one after XP there is no
guarantee W98's installer will be able to see it, especially if C: is
NTFS. In my experience W98's installer plays blind or suggests deleting
and reformatting if intervening partitions are NTFS, aka unreadable. Now
you can use Partition Magic (or many other programs) to change the
active partition before attempting an install but there still is no
golden answer here, it really depends on the ops setup, hardware and
expertise.

John

Simple solution with BootMagic........Resize existing XP with PMagic,
create new partition for 98, set it up in the BM menu, boot machine
choose the new 98 partition.....it will say "Invalid System Disk" put
floppy 98 CD reboot again...........By booting to the 98 PT it activates
it & **Totally** hides the XP Partition......When 98 installs it only
sees the **active** partition..........Very simple. No bootstrapping or
any destroying of the XP partition.....XP won't even know it's there.

 

[ByTor]

Don Culp wrote:

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98
on this computer (preferably without having to either reformat the
hard drive or reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode
but this won't work for the application that I need to run under Win
98, which requires low level hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp


You have choices:

1Just re-do your computer setting up a dual-boot

2Use something like Partition Magic to resize exisiting partitions -
enabling you to keep your exisiting WinXP installation - all the while
making space for a new partition upon which you put Win98 [thereby setting
up a dual-boot]. You may have to use fixboot or some such to get both OSes
recognized at boot time.

Yea but if XP is on C: and you insert a partition in front of XP then
XP will have a fatal problem. If you add one after XP there is no
guarantee W98's installer will be able to see it, especially if C: is
NTFS. In my experience W98's installer plays blind or suggests deleting
and reformatting if intervening partitions are NTFS, aka unreadable. Now
you can use Partition Magic (or many other programs) to change the
active partition before attempting an install but there still is no
golden answer here, it really depends on the ops setup, hardware and
expertise.

John

Simple solution with BootMagic........Resize existing XP with PMagic,
create new partition for 98, set it up in the BM menu, boot machine
choose the new 98 partition.....it will say "Invalid System Disk" put
floppy 98 CD reboot again...........By booting to the 98 PT it activates
it & **Totally** hides the XP Partition......When 98 installs it only
sees the **active** partition..........Very simple. No bootstrapping or
any destroying of the XP partition.....XP won't even know it's there.

Oooops, failed to mention that BMagic does not install to NTFS, my
bad.....This method works well as long as BMagic is installed to another
drive or small FAT partition though when dealing with an already
existing NTFS PT........Never actually tried the boot floppy though to
"activate" a partition, I'm sure it will work though.....

 

[Jim Hubbard]

Stephen wrote:

Don Culp wrote:

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98
on this computer (preferably without having to either reformat the
hard drive or reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode
but this won't work for the application that I need to run under Win
98, which requires low level hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp


You have choices:

1Just re-do your computer setting up a dual-boot

2Use something like Partition Magic to resize exisiting partitions -
enabling you to keep your exisiting WinXP installation - all the
while
making space for a new partition upon which you put Win98 [thereby
setting
up a dual-boot]. You may have to use fixboot or some such to get both
OSes
recognized at boot time.



Yea but if XP is on C: and you insert a partition in front of XP then
XP will have a fatal problem. If you add one after XP there is no
guarantee W98's installer will be able to see it, especially if C: is
NTFS. In my experience W98's installer plays blind or suggests deleting
and reformatting if intervening partitions are NTFS, aka unreadable.
Now
you can use Partition Magic (or many other programs) to change the
active partition before attempting an install but there still is no
golden answer here, it really depends on the ops setup, hardware and
expertise.

John

Simple solution with BootMagic........Resize existing XP with PMagic,
create new partition for 98, set it up in the BM menu, boot machine
choose the new 98 partition.....it will say "Invalid System Disk" put
floppy 98 CD reboot again...........By booting to the 98 PT it activates
it & **Totally** hides the XP Partition......When 98 installs it only
sees the **active** partition..........Very simple. No bootstrapping or
any destroying of the XP partition.....XP won't even know it's there.

Oooops, failed to mention that BMagic does not install to NTFS, my
bad.....This method works well as long as BMagic is installed to another
drive or small FAT partition though when dealing with an already
existing NTFS PT........Never actually tried the boot floppy though to
"activate" a partition, I'm sure it will work though.....

Why do you people refuse to accept the simplest solution of using Virtual PC
or WMWare?

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

Stephen wrote:

Don Culp wrote:

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98
on this computer (preferably without having to either reformat the
hard drive or reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode
but this won't work for the application that I need to run under
Win
98, which requires low level hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp


You have choices:

1Just re-do your computer setting up a dual-boot

2Use something like Partition Magic to resize exisiting partitions -
enabling you to keep your exisiting WinXP installation - all the
while
making space for a new partition upon which you put Win98 [thereby
setting
up a dual-boot]. You may have to use fixboot or some such to get
both OSes
recognized at boot time.



Yea but if XP is on C: and you insert a partition in front of XP then
XP will have a fatal problem. If you add one after XP there is no
guarantee W98's installer will be able to see it, especially if C: is
NTFS. In my experience W98's installer plays blind or suggests
deleting
and reformatting if intervening partitions are NTFS, aka unreadable.
Now
you can use Partition Magic (or many other programs) to change the
active partition before attempting an install but there still is no
golden answer here, it really depends on the ops setup, hardware and
expertise.

John


Simple solution with BootMagic........Resize existing XP with PMagic,
create new partition for 98, set it up in the BM menu, boot machine
choose the new 98 partition.....it will say "Invalid System Disk" put
floppy 98 CD reboot again...........By booting to the 98 PT it activates
it & **Totally** hides the XP Partition......When 98 installs it only
sees the **active** partition..........Very simple. No bootstrapping or
any destroying of the XP partition.....XP won't even know it's there.

Oooops, failed to mention that BMagic does not install to NTFS, my
bad.....This method works well as long as BMagic is installed to another
drive or small FAT partition though when dealing with an already
existing NTFS PT........Never actually tried the boot floppy though to
"activate" a partition, I'm sure it will work though.....

Why do you people refuse to accept the simplest solution of using Virtual
PC or WMWare?

Getter to use Partition Magic...it does NTFS and has a boot manager that
will allow the installation of Win98. It is a far better product than
BootMagic, which I used and then immediately shelved after trying Partition
Magic.

Bobby

 

[Jim Hubbard]

ROTFLMAO......Good luck.....

Stephen wrote:

Don Culp wrote:

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98
on this computer (preferably without having to either reformat the
hard drive or reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode
but this won't work for the application that I need to run under
Win
98, which requires low level hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp


You have choices:

1Just re-do your computer setting up a dual-boot

2Use something like Partition Magic to resize exisiting
partitions -
enabling you to keep your exisiting WinXP installation - all the
while
making space for a new partition upon which you put Win98 [thereby
setting
up a dual-boot]. You may have to use fixboot or some such to get
both OSes
recognized at boot time.



Yea but if XP is on C: and you insert a partition in front of XP then
XP will have a fatal problem. If you add one after XP there is no
guarantee W98's installer will be able to see it, especially if C: is
NTFS. In my experience W98's installer plays blind or suggests
deleting
and reformatting if intervening partitions are NTFS, aka unreadable.
Now
you can use Partition Magic (or many other programs) to change the
active partition before attempting an install but there still is no
golden answer here, it really depends on the ops setup, hardware and
expertise.

John


Simple solution with BootMagic........Resize existing XP with PMagic,
create new partition for 98, set it up in the BM menu, boot machine
choose the new 98 partition.....it will say "Invalid System Disk" put
floppy 98 CD reboot again...........By booting to the 98 PT it
activates
it & **Totally** hides the XP Partition......When 98 installs it only
sees the **active** partition..........Very simple. No bootstrapping or
any destroying of the XP partition.....XP won't even know it's there.



Oooops, failed to mention that BMagic does not install to NTFS, my
bad.....This method works well as long as BMagic is installed to another
drive or small FAT partition though when dealing with an already
existing NTFS PT........Never actually tried the boot floppy though to
"activate" a partition, I'm sure it will work though.....

Why do you people refuse to accept the simplest solution of using Virtual
PC or WMWare?

Getter to use Partition Magic...it does NTFS and has a boot manager that
will allow the installation of Win98. It is a far better product than
BootMagic, which I used and then immediately shelved after trying
Partition Magic.

Bobby

 

[ByTor]

Stephen wrote:

Don Culp wrote:

I have a computer with Win XP installed. How can I also run Win 98
on this computer (preferably without having to either reformat the
hard drive or reinstall XP)? [I know about XP's Compatibility Mode
but this won't work for the application that I need to run under Win
98, which requires low level hardware access.]

Thanks,
Don Culp


You have choices:

1Just re-do your computer setting up a dual-boot

2Use something like Partition Magic to resize exisiting partitions -
enabling you to keep your exisiting WinXP installation - all the
while
making space for a new partition upon which you put Win98 [thereby
setting
up a dual-boot]. You may have to use fixboot or some such to get both
OSes
recognized at boot time.



Yea but if XP is on C: and you insert a partition in front of XP then
XP will have a fatal problem. If you add one after XP there is no
guarantee W98's installer will be able to see it, especially if C: is
NTFS. In my experience W98's installer plays blind or suggests deleting
and reformatting if intervening partitions are NTFS, aka unreadable.
Now
you can use Partition Magic (or many other programs) to change the
active partition before attempting an install but there still is no
golden answer here, it really depends on the ops setup, hardware and
expertise.

John


Simple solution with BootMagic........Resize existing XP with PMagic,
create new partition for 98, set it up in the BM menu, boot machine
choose the new 98 partition.....it will say "Invalid System Disk" put
floppy 98 CD reboot again...........By booting to the 98 PT it activates
it & **Totally** hides the XP Partition......When 98 installs it only
sees the **active** partition..........Very simple. No bootstrapping or
any destroying of the XP partition.....XP won't even know it's there.

Oooops, failed to mention that BMagic does not install to NTFS, my
bad.....This method works well as long as BMagic is installed to another
drive or small FAT partition though when dealing with an already
existing NTFS PT........Never actually tried the boot floppy though to
"activate" a partition, I'm sure it will work though.....

Why do you people refuse to accept the simplest solution of using Virtual PC
or WMWare?

Why? I like my 4 seperate installs............

 

[ByTor]

I too like my seperate installations. maybe it's just me but every time i've
used Virtual PC it has taken hours to simply install another operating
system. There is a big difference between spending approximately 35 minutes
installing Windows XP on a new partition than spending 2 hours installing it
via virtual pc. In theory virtual pc is fine, in practice it isn't.

Agreed.......... :0)

I've tried VPC & didn't like it anyway..........