How many Reinstalls before Phone Call Required

[huwyngr]

See my reply to Rock.

It is crystal clear that the wording of their FAQs permits just what I
said.

I cannot deny that the EULA may not match the words of the FAQ but I'm
sure that that webpage would be an excellent defense if they sued
someone.

And I was not ignoring BIOS or other locking.

 

[Rock]

I cited the Microsoft web site sources in my message to Tiberius. I
have no way of finding and giving a link to this at present (and I may
have put the Subject on my Kill list since the thread was full of
stupidities and rudeness (surprised?)

But I tracked down exactly the words I quoted on the Microsoft website
but it took some digging beyond simple searching.

However here is part of the source:

Activating Windows Vista

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/act
ivationfaq.mspx

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X How many times can I install Windows on my computer before I have to
activate Windows again?

You can reinstall Windows on the same computer as many times as you
want because activation pairs the Windows product key with information
about your computer's hardware. If you make a significant hardware
change, you might have to activate Windows again.

X What hardware changes may require re-activation?

The Windows Vista re-activation process may vary based on how you
acquired Windows Vista. For example:

If you acquired Windows Vista via retail purchase (boxed product) or
pre-installed on a computer from a local computer vendor, Windows Vista
will require re-activation if you, for example:

Replace the hard disk drive and memory at the same time.

Replace the motherboard.

If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a
major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment
Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you
replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM.

If you acquired Windows Vista via a volume license upgrade visit the
Windows Vista Volume Activation page.

X What hardware changes can be made without re-activating?

Hardware changes that do not invoke the Windows Vista re-activation
process may vary based on how you acquired Windows Vista. For example:

If you acquired Windows Vista via retail purchase (boxed product) or
pre-installed on a computer from a local computer vendor, Windows Vista
will not require re-activation if you, for example:

Replace the hard disk drive only.

Replace the video card and add system memory at the same time.

If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a
major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment
Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you
replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM.

If you acquired Windows Vista via a volume license upgrade visit the
Windows Vista Volume Activation page.

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If I were not using Text Only I would be able to highlight better but
the Questions I've marked with an X and the two replies about pre-
installed and changing motherboard I've indented the first line.

Note that it says "re-activation" and NOT a new licence.

Thanks for the links. The reference you site says nothing about moving to a
new computer. It talks about a motherboard change. You have to read the
EULA (end user license agreement). That specifies it can't be moved to a
new computer.

 

[huwyngr]

 The reference you site says nothing about moving to a new computer.
 It talks about a motherboard change.

Bear in mind the repeated statements here that the motherboard is the
computer and MS's statements that I cite that you can change the drive,
memory and other components then IMO you can really not differentiate
all that from a new computer -- for example I have re-used PC Power &
Cooling and Antec cases over several generations of computer and
beginning by changing the motherboard have changed other things like
drives and of course memory and video card. But I've not done this yet
with VISTA ....... just waiting for the CPU situation to settle down a
bit!

Let me put it this way -- I don't have an OEM EULA for VISTA to look it
but regardless of what it says, if MS got after me, refused to
reactivate, I would argue my case by tabling their own document.

 

[mikeyhsd]

you need to request to see our net nanny roxanne, law degree.
bet he does not have one even though he is prone to spout off LEGAL decisions to tell you what you can and can not do.

read the license agreements yourself and make your own determination.
so far as I am concerned ms has let us down by not providing updates to its own drivers or programs so they work in vista.
so you just changed a hard drive and phone in for activation.



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The reference you site says nothing about moving to a new computer.
It talks about a motherboard change.

Bear in mind the repeated statements here that the motherboard is the
computer and MS's statements that I cite that you can change the drive,
memory and other components then IMO you can really not differentiate
all that from a new computer -- for example I have re-used PC Power &
Cooling and Antec cases over several generations of computer and
beginning by changing the motherboard have changed other things like
drives and of course memory and video card. But I've not done this yet
with VISTA ....... just waiting for the CPU situation to settle down a
bit!

Let me put it this way -- I don't have an OEM EULA for VISTA to look it
but regardless of what it says, if MS got after me, refused to
reactivate, I would argue my case by tabling their own document.

 

[Rock]

Bear in mind the repeated statements here that the motherboard is the
computer and MS's statements that I cite that you can change the drive,
memory and other components then IMO you can really not differentiate
all that from a new computer -- for example I have re-used PC Power &
Cooling and Antec cases over several generations of computer and
beginning by changing the motherboard have changed other things like
drives and of course memory and video card. But I've not done this yet
with VISTA ....... just waiting for the CPU situation to settle down a
bit!

Let me put it this way -- I don't have an OEM EULA for VISTA to look it
but regardless of what it says, if MS got after me, refused to
reactivate, I would argue my case by tabling their own document.

How can you take some conclusions you draw from an activation faq and apply
that to a different issue which is actually governed by a different
document, the EULA? I think you should read the EULA before you make these
misleading statements.

 

[mikeyhsd]

and you should update your LAW degree before you start arguing legal issues.



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Bear in mind the repeated statements here that the motherboard is the
computer and MS's statements that I cite that you can change the drive,
memory and other components then IMO you can really not differentiate
all that from a new computer -- for example I have re-used PC Power &
Cooling and Antec cases over several generations of computer and
beginning by changing the motherboard have changed other things like
drives and of course memory and video card. But I've not done this yet
with VISTA ....... just waiting for the CPU situation to settle down a
bit!

Let me put it this way -- I don't have an OEM EULA for VISTA to look it
but regardless of what it says, if MS got after me, refused to
reactivate, I would argue my case by tabling their own document.

How can you take some conclusions you draw from an activation faq and apply
that to a different issue which is actually governed by a different
document, the EULA? I think you should read the EULA before you make these
misleading statements.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

and you should update your LAW degree before you start arguing legal issues.

Why? It doesn't take any sort of degree, much less a law degree, to
see that you cited material completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.


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[mikeyhsd]

if it was that easy and relevant there would not be so many questions.



(e-mail address removed)

and you should update your LAW degree before you start arguing legal issues.

Why? It doesn't take any sort of degree, much less a law degree, to
see that you cited material completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.


--

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Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

 

[huwyngr]

I happy to stand by what I've posted which cites and quotes the
sources, unlike your repeated references to documents that I have not
been able to find. I'm not going to go and buy a computer just to read
the EULA.

As I said:

<< Bear in mind the repeated statements here that the motherboard is
the computer >>

Did you query those when made, or was it you that made them?

 

[Rock]

I happy to stand by what I've posted which cites and quotes the
sources, unlike your repeated references to documents that I have not
been able to find. I'm not going to go and buy a computer just to read
the EULA.

As I said:

<< Bear in mind the repeated statements here that the motherboard is
the computer >>

Did you query those when made, or was it you that made them?

Who are you replying to?

If me, I have never made the statement that the motherboard defines the
computer. MS has never made that statement, in fact they have been been
direct in not addressing it, which leads to much of the confusion.

The EULA is the governing document for the transfer of an OEM OS to a
different computer. The issue lies in what constitutes a different
computer.

 

[The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy]

Who are you replying to?

If me, I have never made the statement that the motherboard defines the
computer. MS has never made that statement,

MS did make that statement. They made it on the OEM system builder
pages before Vista came out.

in fact they have been been
direct in not addressing it, which leads to much of the confusion.

The EULA is the governing document for the transfer of an OEM OS to a
different computer. The issue lies in what constitutes a different
computer.

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Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"They hacked the Microsoft website to make it think a linux box was a
windows box. Thats called hacking. People who do hacking are called
hackers."

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- T. S. Eliot

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

and you should update your LAW degree before you start arguing legal issues.

Isn't this about things that are supposed to be clear to end users,
who don't have law degrees?

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The rights you save may be your own

 

[mikeyhsd]

no it is not it.
the eula would not stand up in court as other similar ones have failed.

telling a person that if their motherboard dies they have to buy a new windows version is baloney. but doing the same thing with hard drive is ok.
baloney.

simply call ms, if there is a question simply tell them you hard drive died.
I have moved retail and oem os from computer to computer many times.
no problems.





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and you should update your LAW degree before you start arguing legal issues.

Isn't this about things that are supposed to be clear to end users,
who don't have law degrees?

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The rights you save may be your own

 

[huwyngr]

The issue lies in what constitutes a different computer.

At last you get the point of what I've been posting -- congratulations!